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Call to action: Let’s make ‘Seasonal Better Naito’ a reality

Posted by on October 21st, 2016 at 10:08 am

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We can set this in stone every summer for five years if we let City Council know we want it.
(Photos: J. Maus/BikePortland)

Bicycle access through and to Waterfront Park is in dire need of help. And ‘Seasonal Better Naito’ — a project proposed by the Bureau of Transportation and supported by Mayor Charlie Hales — is our best chance to get it.

We’ve heard from various sources that despite the City Budget Office throwing a bit of cold water on the project last week, there’s still a very good chance Mayor Charlie Hales and Transportation Commissioner Steve Novick can get the one additional vote from the other three Council members they need to get it funded through the Fall Budget Monitoring Process (a.k.a. “Fall BuMP”).

But in order to grab $350,000 from the intensely competitive general fund where there’s only $4 million up for grabs across all bureaus citywide, they need to hear resounding support from the community. Again.

Yes, we agree that a permanent reconfiguration of Naito Parkway with year-round protected space for walking and rolling is needed. Unfortunately given the timing and political realities we find ourselves in, that’s not just going to happen. We think that pushing for this seasonal project would be a very positive step forward. And most importantly, it could actually happen.

Here’s why we’re asking you to email or call Mayor Hales and the four other city commissioners to tell them you support Seasonal Naito in the Fall BuMP…

Funding and the sure thing

As a photographer I often remind myself of an old hunting mantra: “One in hand is better than two in the bush.” That means when in doubt I shoot the sure thing that’s right in front of me, because I never know if the perfect image I want will ever manifest itself. In this analogy, Seasonal Naito is “in hand” while a more robust, year-round version is “two in the bush.”

PBOT estimates that a year-round, mature version of the Better Naito trials we had for the past two summers (as in, one not implemented for pennies by the all-volunteer nonprofit Better Block, bless their hearts) would cost around $3.7 million. The full version of Better Naito PBOT wants to do would come with first-rate design and materials — both of which come with a price tag City Hall can’t swallow right now.

And right now — as much as we wish we could do everything all at once — a full redesign of Naito Parkway simply isn’t as urgent to a large swath of the community as other infrastructure needs. Equity is carrying the day at PBOT right now. And while that doesn’t mean they won’t invest anything in the central city, it means there’s more momentum (from the public and from funding sources) to spend money in east Portland where a disproportionate number of people fear their streets and all too often die while using them.

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Political timing

Politics is everything. Whatever change you seek in Portland, if you don’t get the politics lined up, it ain’t gonna’ happen. Naito has had the attention of Mayor Hales for over two years now. He went from mentioning it in an off-handed comment in August 2014, to putting together an official (and unfortunately misguided) budget proposal for it back in May, to making a desparate plea to advocates over the summer to help him garner support for it.

Mayor Hales has rolled up his sleeves to make something happen on Naito.

Mayor Hales has played both the inside and outside game to try and make something happen on Naito.

With just a few months left as leader of Portland Hales likely sees this as a legacy project and the Fall BuMP is his last best chance to make it happen. Hales is an embattled mayor swimming in negative press lately for his (mis)handling of the police union contract and the homelessness crisis. It’s also worth noting he was elected in large part by transportation reform advocates who were excited about his experience with rail transit and previous stint as a city transportation commissioner.

But in the past four years Hales doesn’t have one marquee transportation project to his name. When I shared that opinion on Twitter this week, the Mayor’s account replied by mentioning the gas tax increase and bike share. Those are massive wins for Portland, but Hales was just a supporting actor.

Naito would be his project. He could take credit for making a significant change for the better on one of Portland’s most iconic streets.

And if we miss this opportunity, who knows what will happen with new Mayor Ted Wheeler. He’ll come in and face pressure to tackle very high-profile issues like police relations, a growing Black Lives Matter movement, homelessness, and so on. Even if he is supportive of street reform, it’s unlikely he’ll put Naito Parkway front-and-center.

Seasonal Naito is worth fighting for

If we don’t act now and make it clear to City Hall denizens that we want $350,000 for Seasonal Naito, we’ll be giving up a major opportunity.

PBOT would use bollards that screw in-and-out of the roadway.(Images: PBOT)

PBOT would use bollards that screw in-and-out of the roadway.
(Images: PBOT)

The project would create protected space on the west east side of Naito Parkway during the busy summer season. It would vastly improve our waterfront for everyone: While driving we’d be able to slow down and appreciate the urban landscape (a new report from Better Block (PDF) shows that the driving delay is just 30 seconds or less throughout the day); we’d be able to walk, bike, roll, and simply exist without less stress and danger from other road users speeding past in large and loud vehicles. The space on Naito would also reduce demands on the riverfront path in Waterfront Park — which means you could take your friends and visitors on a leisurely walk without getting buzzed by people on bikes who are afraid to use Naito and are hurrying to get from A-to-B.

If this project gets funded we’d have this space guaranteed to us for five years. We’d also have the door to more permanent changes left wide open.

Perhaps the most exciting aspect of Seasonal Naito is that it would institutionalize Better Block-style tactical urbanism within PBOT. This is huge! If you believe in street reform and want PBOT to be more flexible and attentive to the needs of non-driving road users, you should eagerly support a project that creates a tactical urbanism crew within the city bureaucracy. The thought of PBOT maintenance staff screwing in flexible bollards to create protected space for biking on Naito makes us smile. And it would plant a seed within PBOT that could take root and blossom into very exciting things.

This isn’t the big step many of us hoped for, but can you really argue that it’s not a step worth taking?

If you support Seasonal Naito, please take a few minutes to remind Mayor Hales and Commissioners Novick, Amanada Fritz, Nick Fish and Dan Saltzman (their emails and phone numbers are below). Please keep in mind that none of them oppose Seasonal Naito. In fact, in a budget work session yesterday we learned that Hales has included the project in his Fall BuMP proposal (along with $1 million for Vision Zero work on outer Halsey, watch it here at the 02:14:30 mark) and even Commissioner Fish had positive words to say about it.

We’re close, but there are no guarantees. Here’s the contact info:

Mayor Hales: mayorhales@portlandoregon.gov, 503-823-4120
Commissioner Fish: Nick@portlandoregon.gov, 503-823-3589
Commissioner Fritz: amanda@portlandoregon.gov, 503-823-3008
Commissioner Novick: novick@portlandoregon.gov, 503-823-4682
Commissioner Saltzman: dan@portlandoregon.gov, 503-823-4151.
PBOT: naitoparkway@portlandoregon.gov

Let’s do this! Because a seasonal Better Naito is better than no Better Naito at all.

UPDATE, 3:30pm: We’ve just heard that Commissioner Nick Fish supports the seasonal Better Naito funding request. Fish’s Policy and Communications Advisor Everett Wild sent us this email from Fish in response to a constituent:

Thanks for your email.

I have talked to a lot of stakeholders about Better Naito (Community Cycling Center, Oregon Walks, etc.), read the summary report prepared by Better Blocks PDX, and received briefings from PBOT and Novick.

I am impressed with the breadth of community support (Better Blocks PDX, Travel Portland, Rose Festival, etc.).

The briefings were helpful–and I now better understand the costs and benefits. I also appreciate PBOT’s efforts to relieve congestion in the central city during rush hour.

Here is where I land: I favor an extension of the pilot.

We have limited surplus $ to carve up in the Fall BMP, and a lot of compelling needs. While I am a strong supporter of Vision Zero, the Council ultimately needs to decide which of the transportation safety “ask’s” in the Fall BMP make the cut now, and which are taken up through the regular budget process

Thanks again for sharing your views with me.

Regards,

Nick

That’s three votes, so this should be funded next week. Nice work everyone!

— Jonathan Maus, (503) 706-8804 – jonathan@bikeportland.org

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    dwk October 21, 2016 at 10:32 am

    I completely disagree with this. Money that could be spent much better elsewhere. What is the big need for this? Seriously?

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      Jonathan Maus (Publisher/Editor) October 21, 2016 at 10:48 am

      Hi dwk,

      It’s fine to disagree! I happen to think that the “big need” for this is because space for mobility with the current configuration of Naito and Waterfront Park — especially in the summer festival season — is extremely limited. I’d guess that 90% or more of the entire right-of-way from the western edge of Naito to the River is taken up by space for auto driving or growing grass. In peak summer season the both Naito and the waterfront path are barely feasible as a transportation corridor for people using bicycles. It could and should be a key north-south link between the Hawthorne and Steel Bridges and as an alternate for people who would rather not ride on busy downtown streets that have zero dedicated space for cycling.

      IMO the “big need” for this is also about politics and timing — both of which are very ripe right now. And $350,000 is a relative drop in the bucket for such an important and high-profile project like this.

      And FWIW there are a lot of people and organizations who agree that there’s a “big need” for this. Among them are are Travel Portland and The Portland Rose Festival — both of whom are very supportive of this because they know what a huge positive impact the Better Naito trial project had.

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        mran1984 October 21, 2016 at 12:26 pm

        Nothing limits effective transportation on Naito more than this poorly executed plan. Dodging strollers and oblivious folks with phones as their major focus is not my idea of safe commuting. I utilize Naito everyday. This would be awful. I disagree, are you sure that Is okay? Try commuting next July 4th and report on your experience. The motorist on Naito is paying far more attention than the typical “urban enthusiast”. Being aware of your situation is the key to safety, not constructing an obnoxious playpen.

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          Hello, Kitty October 21, 2016 at 1:01 pm

          I commuted on it daily this past summer and thought it was great! Could be better, much better, but Better Naito was a big improvement over Worse Naito.

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            dwk October 21, 2016 at 1:12 pm

            So what did you enjoy about it? The drunks that stagger across the road in front of you? The cars that drive into the lane unexpectedly to unload people? The people that stand and block the entire lane waiting for light changes?
            What exactly is wrong with the bike lane which functions pretty well?
            There is no cost involved in having the events move their fence in 6 feet from the curb.
            By the way, why do they need $350,000 to do what they have been doing for nothing. What is going to change from the current “better Naitto” that was in effect this past summer?

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            • Adam H.
              Adam H. October 21, 2016 at 1:16 pm

              The current bike lane on Naito is complete garbage; I actually ride on the sidewalk instead of in the bike lane until I can get to a crossing to get to the Waterfront Park path because I do not feel safe in a 4-foot bike lane inches from 30 mph motor traffic. I used Better Naito every day and it was so much less stressful.

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                dwk October 21, 2016 at 1:34 pm

                Good for you… One of the problems with “better naito” were slow casual cyclists that used to ride on the nice waterfront path getting in the way of people who actually are commuting somewhere on Naito.
                Since you already have a path for your skill level, why do you need another?

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              • Adam H.
                Adam H. October 21, 2016 at 1:44 pm

                Don’t assume that because I ride a slow, upright bike that I have a “lower skill level”. I just prefer a different riding style. And as people have stated here already, the waterfront path becomes fenced off and less accessible (they won’t let you cut though a festival to get to the path without paying), more constricted, and therefore, more crowded. Having another place to ride that is not as congested is a welcome addition.

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                Spiffy October 21, 2016 at 2:43 pm

                does it need a “Slow Cyclists Use MUP” sign?

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                dan October 24, 2016 at 2:45 pm

                You know, the one great thing about this implementation is that all the sightseers head over there, so when you’re southbound on Naito, the standard bicycle lane is commuter traffic only.

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          Mark smith October 22, 2016 at 9:00 pm

          Say it with me now…

          “It’s not a race”

          “It’s not a race”

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            dwk October 23, 2016 at 6:52 am

            It is not an obstacle course either. “Better Naito” is a dangerous mix of peds , cars and bikes. Just a bad MUP.

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              Eric Leifsdad October 23, 2016 at 9:34 am

              Before the “better”, it was the same thing except without any hints to people in cars that they might need to lookout for all of those strollers and bikes.

              I agree that it’s not the best it could be, and if you’re moving fast, just take the left lane. Leaving the auto traffic is the main fault with this configuration.

              It’s not a race, but the speed at which you can safely travel on a bike is a factor in the decision between driving a car or riding. I wish PBOT knew that.

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            Ted G October 25, 2016 at 12:47 pm

            I don’t get it. What’s not a race?

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          AEG October 24, 2016 at 5:36 am

          I agree and am also a year round commuter and ride Naito daily. Last summer it was one of the scariest parts of my ride. On a regular basis it feels like one of the safest parts of my ride.

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      • Adam H.
        Adam H. October 21, 2016 at 12:55 pm

        While we’re on the topic of grass, why doesn’t Parks just rip out all the grass in Waterfront Park that gets destroyed and re-sodded every year for something less resource-hogging?

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        • Hello, Kitty
          Hello, Kitty October 21, 2016 at 1:02 pm

          Like cement?

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          • Adam H.
            Adam H. October 21, 2016 at 1:11 pm

            Something more permeable like crushed gravel would be nice.

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              rick October 21, 2016 at 1:36 pm

              Probably because it isn’t family-friendly.

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                Spiffy October 21, 2016 at 2:44 pm

                neither is mud…

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          Chris I October 21, 2016 at 1:38 pm

          I think they just reseed and let it grow in the off-season. It’s really easy to grow grass here.

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          • Adam H.
            Adam H. October 21, 2016 at 1:41 pm

            No, I definitely see the grass being watered with automated sprinklers.

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              Chris I October 23, 2016 at 9:16 pm

              That sounds pretty easy. We have plenty of water in the valley.

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            Robert Burchett October 21, 2016 at 9:44 pm

            The decompacting and reseeding process involves multiple passes of machinery as well.

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        Jerome Johnson October 21, 2016 at 9:24 pm

        Okay, Johnathan Maus, how much are you personally willing to contribute to the project? Shall we drop by and take your cheque personally or would you like a percentage taken out of your state income tax?
        Sincerely yours,
        Jerome Johnson

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      gs October 21, 2016 at 10:50 am

      Did you read the report produced by Better Block PDX? It’s linked in this article and explains the reasoning and need for this project. Many people have shown support, and it makes the area much more comfortable for all users.

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        Ted G October 25, 2016 at 5:05 pm

        I think the comments made here suggest the changes don’t make the area more comfortable for all users. Some do not like the changes at all to characterize it as such is both incorrect and disingenuous .

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      Robert Burchett October 21, 2016 at 11:02 am

      Using the power of cliches, I say it’s low-hanging fruit. Modest budget (less than $1.00 per citizen), available right-of-way, Demonstrated Feasibility thanks to Better Block, attention from local government heads And bureau–persons, visibility. . .there’s more but I’ll stop there.

      The Better Block folks are well aware of equity issues and no doubt they know where the real center of Portland is. Maybe their next roll-out will be Lents or something. I’m a fan.

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    J_R October 21, 2016 at 10:52 am

    I’d much rather have two or three new rapid flash beacons that will operate for the rest of time than spending $350k on a seasonal project that has relatively minor benefits for a few months a year.

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      Kevin October 21, 2016 at 7:21 pm

      Oh my, yes please. Let’s put one on MLK and Going, Shaver or Skidmore.

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    Saul October 21, 2016 at 10:57 am

    Waterfront Park is one of Oregon’s most visited and cherished public spaces. Over 700k people visit the summer festivals. Better Naito made it more comfortable for all these folks and made it safer for everyone else to travel through the area.

    I think a seasonal Better Naito is a huge victory for active transportation in the Central City. Big kudos to the volunteers who made it happen the last two summers.

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      Spiffy October 21, 2016 at 12:03 pm

      “Over 700k people visit the summer festivals.”

      and this is why the park is useless to the general public for most of the sunny season…

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        Kevin October 21, 2016 at 7:24 pm

        Having parks and festivals that locals and tourists can enjoy is a gpod thing. NIMBY protectionism/isolationalism is not.

        Our infrastructure is pathetic when compared to global cities. We are a relative backwater.

        We can and should invest in infrastructure and become a jewel of the NW US.

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  • Adam H.
    Adam H. October 21, 2016 at 11:03 am

    Funding priorities in this city are completely broken. The PDC is kicking in $25M to PBOT to renovate a parking garage downtown, yet we can’t seem to find $3.7M for a protected cycleway half a mile down the street? City Hall says they prioritize active and public transport over cars, yet this is clearly not reflected in the budget. World-class cities do not have temporary cycling infrastructure that is removed for nine months out of the year.

    “The truth about a city’s aspirations isn’t found in its vision, It’s found in its budget.”

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    • Adam H.
      Adam H. October 21, 2016 at 12:27 pm

      I should reiterate that I do believe the “semi-permanent” Better Naito is a step in the right direction, but there needs to be a clear path to permanence as part of this project.

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        Hello, Kitty October 21, 2016 at 1:04 pm

        Don’t confuse PDC with any branch of government that is even vaguely accountable.

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        Kevin October 21, 2016 at 7:27 pm

        It’s not perfect, but it’s a step in the right direction! If we get these small wins, maybe we can build momentum and public support for more large-scale and innovative infrastructure projects.

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      Gary B October 21, 2016 at 2:55 pm

      You continue to bring up the parking garage, but I really think it’s a false comparison and detracts from your point. The PDC is *financing* the garage, and they expect to earn a return on their investment. Projects like are a spend, no financial return.

      You’ll probably argue that the garage is a bad investment, and I wouldn’t disagree with you, on a policy basis. And their projections could definitely be wrong. But based on the information they have available, it’s not a bad investment (financially) at all. So to equate it to “spending” 25 million dollars as if that 25 million could just be spent instead is disingenuous.

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    Clint Culpepper October 21, 2016 at 11:36 am

    Robert Burchett
    Using the power of cliches, I say it’s low-hanging fruit. Modest budget (less than $1.00 per citizen), available right-of-way, Demonstrated Feasibility thanks to Better Block, attention from local government heads And bureau–persons, visibility. . .there’s more but I’ll stop there.
    The Better Block folks are well aware of equity issues and no doubt they know where the real center of Portland is. Maybe their next roll-out will be Lents or something. I’m a fan.
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    Don’t forget that while the geographical and population center of Portland is east of 82nd we have 125,000 employees and nearly 40,000 students downtown and even more passing through. It’s hard not to see a project that impacts this many people as important.

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      Robert Burchett October 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm

      Think I read that somewhere before. If I had six months to live and wanted to see bike/ped infrastructure development E of 60th I’d probably look up Better Block and find out what they’re working on. I bet they’ve heard about this whole equity thing, and they seem to be kind of a lightning rod for the city actually making a move.

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    Psyfalcon October 21, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    I think this is unique in that a functional transportation system is completely overwhelmed by the seasonal festivals. Between October and May you can go between the Hawthorne and Steel bridge, and access downtown at many points from both the path and the bike lane on Naito.

    Then one day, the fences go up, right to the curb and edge of the path. More people on an effectively narrowed path. People walking in the bike lane.

    The Blues Fest alone has 100,000 people attending in 4 days.

    Maybe there are better places to spend the money, but this needs to be mitigated somehow….

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      Hello, Kitty October 21, 2016 at 1:06 pm

      Why not have the festival organizers pay for Better Naito, if they’re driving the need?

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        Better Block PDX October 21, 2016 at 1:28 pm

        Just to be clear, Generous donations from all of the different festivals are what paid for the materials needed for our 2015 & 2016 Better Naitos.

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          Spiffy October 21, 2016 at 2:48 pm

          awesome! now turn those donations into required fees that will pay for a permanent and truly useful Better Naito…

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          pruss2ny October 22, 2016 at 10:06 am

          why are they considered “generous donations”? these festivals (for some of us) are largely a blight and they certainly mess up the infrastructure for ALL OF US….shouldn’t be applauded as a generous donation, but should be factored in as a bare minimum cost that the various festivals HAVE TO bear in order to offset the mess they create

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        Robert Burchett October 24, 2016 at 10:56 am

        Also, why not have the fences moved in 10 feet? There’s a lot of space, and the Parks Department should make sure the waterfront sidewalk is still fully usable by pedestrians at least. If I’m on a bike it really doesn’t make that much difference to me, I ride on 2nd Avenue all day anyway. For a pedestrian doing the Esplanade loop it pretty much ruins the experience to have the fences jammed up against the sidewalk. It seems like a clear case of hogging and makes me really not want to patronize the festivals.

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    Champs October 21, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    I just can’t find anything objectively superior about Naito in any configuration, but for the sake of argument it is. Seasonal Better Naito sounds like that semester in middle school when I pulled up my art grade to a B-.

    If the waterfront trail is “barely feasible” I have no idea what slow-and-separated people actually want.

    For all the trail’s faults, it is still more calm and pleasant than Better Naito. If you so much as Idaho Stop through traffic signals, travel time is basically the same. If you obey them lawfully, forget it. This summer, I saw a few dirty looks for exactly that—and as many close calls with people crossing the street legally. Not a good look!

    $350k can solve real problems around the city. That makes its own statement.

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    Spiffy October 21, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    no way…

    the reason that better Naito is needed is a problem created by the city and not enforced by the city…

    I’d rather see the money spent on putting in a sidewalk (and short fence between crossings) on the west side of the park so peds wouldn’t spill into the bike lane…

    I’d rather see the money spent on enforcement to keep those peds (and the garbage cans from Bite of Oregon) out of the bike lane…

    I’d rather see the $3.7M funding come from a fee imposed on every vendor that wants to use the park over the next few years… they’re the real cause of the problem…

    riding Better Naito was a lot more stressful for me than riding next to traffic… unpredictable peds and bikes on both sides of me northbound… head-on traffic and peds in the bike lane… conflicting traffic control devices… anxiety!

    I’ll try to remember to email them all in opposition of this fiasco…

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    • Adam H.
      Adam H. October 21, 2016 at 12:32 pm

      I’d rather see the $3.7M funding come from a fee imposed on every vendor that wants to use the park over the next few years… they’re the real cause of the problem…

      This is a fantastic idea. These vendors are making tons of money by confiscating our public space, then selling it back to us. The least they could do is pay to replace that space they took from us.

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        Eric Leifsdad October 21, 2016 at 2:23 pm

        Yes, and this also treats the free, convenient use of public spaces as a high-speed thoroughfare as some sort of given for people driving cars. We’re at least a couple bucks short on the gas tax. Why are we asking for general fund money to deal with expected problems caused solely by vendors and drivers? Closing a street doesn’t cost $350k. We can probably get a few cars parked across each intersection for cheap on craigslist and it’s not like gasoline is expensive. Most days, drivers close the street a couple times for at least an hour anyway.

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      Robert Burchett October 21, 2016 at 1:22 pm

      Sort of a woonerf-type thing?

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      AEG October 24, 2016 at 5:44 am

      I just emailed them my opposition.

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    Spiffy October 21, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    “The project would create protected space on the west side of Naito Parkway during the busy summer season.”

    they’re moving it to the other side of the road now? I think you either meant “east side of Naito Parkway” or “west side of Waterfront Park”…

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    Hello, Kitty October 21, 2016 at 1:12 pm

    In the image of bollards shown in the story, and provided by PBOT, I’d like to point out the interesting new PBOT/PPB bike feature called the “bike catcher”, used to capture unwitting bicycle riding criminals. They are guided gently into a small holding pen, where they can be safely escorted to jail.

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    rick October 21, 2016 at 1:34 pm

    It needs a lower speed limit and protected bike lanes.

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    Jonathan Maus (Publisher/Editor) October 21, 2016 at 3:56 pm

    UPDATE, 3:30pm: We’ve just heard that Commissioner Nick Fish supports the seasonal Better Naito funding request. Fish’s Police and Communications Advisor Everett Wild sent us this email from Fish in response to a constituent:

    Thanks for your email.

    I have talked to a lot of stakeholders about Better Naito (Community Cycling Center, Oregon Walks, etc.), read the summary report prepared by Better Blocks PDX, and received briefings from PBOT and Novick.

    I am impressed with the breadth of community support (Better Blocks PDX, Travel Portland, Rose Festival, etc.).

    The briefings were helpful–and I now better understand the costs and benefits. I also appreciate PBOT’s efforts to relieve congestion in the central city during rush hour.

    Here is where I land: I favor an extension of the pilot.

    We have limited surplus $ to carve up in the Fall BMP, and a lot of compelling needs. While I am a strong supporter of Vision Zero, the Council ultimately needs to decide which of the transportation safety “ask’s” in the Fall BMP make the cut now, and which are taken up through the regular budget process

    Thanks again for sharing your views with me.

    Regards,

    Nick

    That’s three votes, so this should be funded next week. Nice work everyone!

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    JeffS October 21, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    I’m disappointed at this entire post.

    – There was widespread dislike of “better naito” amongst regular cyclists.
    – There are much worse places to have to ride in town
    – This is a lot of money that could be put to much better use elsewhere

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      Robert Burchett October 21, 2016 at 9:56 pm

      -after ignoring it for a while I tried it, and it didn’t suck. They threw it out there in a weekend with duct tape and stuff. I’m going to say the next installation would be better.

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        Eric Leifsdad October 22, 2016 at 6:29 pm

        I rode through at commute time a few times with a fair amount of electric assist and made better time than on 2nd.

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    Lone Heckler October 22, 2016 at 7:19 am

    I support a better Naito, but not in the configuration we saw this year. I rode it a few times and decided the thinly-placed bollards with large gaps created a confusing situation for motorists with too many spots to inadvertently — or maybe not so inadvertently — enter the bike lane.

    The most recent Google Maps Street View (Naito at Stark) actually shows the Better Naito configuration. One of the sketchiest areas to me was where Stark ends at Naito and cars would be turning left (north) from Stark. Look at the lack of bollards here. It looked to me like drivers could easily be confused about where to go, possibly swinging wide right, thinking the bollards were a traffic lane separator.

    I’d like to see concrete barriers and better signage to create a real barrier.

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    AEG October 23, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    I’m one who travels Naito every day year round and absolutely hated “Better” Naito. Its far more dangerous than the current configuration which, in my opinion is one of the safest areas of my commute between Northeast and Downtown. There is an existing MUP that I avoid because I’m commuting and would like to travel through without worrying about people who are relaxing and not paying attention. Adding those people to a lane of traffic doesn’t make any sense. I’ll be contacting the council to voice my concern about funds being used here. There are places where safety is of great concern- Naito is not one.

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      Psyfalcon October 23, 2016 at 10:20 pm

      People would still be in that bike lane since there is no sidewalk on the Waterfront Park side.

      A seasonal MUP is hardly ideal, but its better than the seasonal 4 foot wide MUP that happens anyway.

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        AEG October 24, 2016 at 5:43 am

        Its true that occasionally in the past there were people there, also delivery trucks sometimes. However, the past two summers its an area where inattentive people are riding against the flow of regular traffic, crowds of friends stop to talk, and cyclists blow the signals at every light. As I rode at slow speed by a group of friends gathered in the lane one stepped into my path, hit my shoulder almost knocking me down.

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    John Liu October 24, 2016 at 5:44 am

    After the hundreds or thousands of posts I’ve read on seasonal Naito, I still don’t understand why the festival fences can’t be moved 20-30 feet further inward, so that pedestrians have a wide grassy area to walk. It seems that would eliminate much of the need for seasonal Naito.

    I also don’t understand why the costs of seasonal Naito aren’t borne by the festivals that make it necessary – if it remains necessary after the fences are moved.

    I oppose the expenditure for these reasons.

    Seasonal Naito is a project that is based on a single premise: that there is no room for walking or cycling along the west edge of Waterfront Park. That’s an artificial premise, created by the festival fences. Why are we spending $350,000 every year – money that doesn’t buy permanent improvement – to fix a problem caused by a temporary fence?

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    Rob S. October 24, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    I also disagree with removing a car lane from Naito. I agree with John Liu and the points he makes. Most of us bike commute through waterfront park and not in the Naito bike lane. That is true even when festivals happen. I mean, it’s kind of silly to stop at a million stop lights on Naito when bikes can breeze right through waterfront park. I think this project is inadvisable. At a minimum, it should be a very low priority.

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    Robert Burchett October 26, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    What is crazy? Crazy is having a bike facility cluttered by stoplights put there to regulate MV traffic in the adjoining space. Let us face it, any bike facility put in between Naito Parkway and Waterfront park is going to be affected by pedestrian traffic. Bikes and pedestrians can co-exist if there’s enough space for both, and pedestrians will choose the path that works best for them if the design informs that decision. I think a clear design that announces pedestrian crossings of a bike route would allow us to dispense with signals that parallel the Naito Parkway traffic lights. If a woonerf works for MV, why wouldn’t it work with bikes and peds?

    I read the comments above about losing time because temporary Naito had a few people walking, jogging, or parking their Bikeyshare bikes to take selfies(!) Yes it was a thing but not that big a thing. Maybe it took 10 seconds of my time to let a person walking make a decision and get with their program. It’s not a big deal and we can live with it. It’s called sharing, people.

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