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Adams’ light dimming fast

Posted by on January 21st, 2009 at 10:14 am

Adams at his press
conference yesterday.
(Photos © J. Maus)

If Mayor Sam Adams hoped for progress overnight in his effort to save his reputation and his political life, it seems things have only gotten worse.

This morning I awoke to both of our local daily newspapers — The Oregonian and the Portland Tribune — calling for him to resign immediately.

Yesterday at City Hall, in an attempt to “come clean” and start the rebuilding process, Adams was grilled by a packed room of reporters. He repeatedly told us this whole affair was “an anomaly, not a trend.” He implored us to look at “the whole swath” of his two decades of service.

Tom Miller, listening
to his boss.

Somehow, given all that was happening, he was still relatively composed and still deftly answered most of the questions being thrown at him. He sounded more humble than I’ve ever heard him, and also more listless.

I won’t soon forget the sullen, long looks on the faces of Adams’ Chief of Staff Tom Miller and policy advisor Amy Ruiz — a former reporter who’s hiring by Adams is also now being questioned.

The reporters in the room smelled blood and they were on the attack. When I spoke up with a question, it barely came out right. I have to admit, my overwhelming feeling right now is of sadness. This is a big setback for our City in many ways and it feels, at least to me, like the wind has suddenly left the sails.

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Adams acknowledged that he would have to work hard to “regain people’s trust” and said, “I have a lot of work to do.” Thinking of how Adams usually operates, when I heard that, I instantly thought to myself that today we’d see a big press release from his office with a tactical outline of action steps he’d take to make it all work out.

But since the press conference, I’ve read reaction on the Internet and in the papers, and I’ve talked to close friends and people I respect. It doesn’t look good for Adams at this point. I’m not sure if any amount of the political brilliance we’ve come to expect from him will help this time.

Front page of PortlandTribune.com.

During the press conference, several people asked about his trip to Washington D.C. He was there not just for the Inauguration of President Obama, but as a representative of Portland at a lobbying and networking event for the U.S. Conference of Mayors.

Adams is a well-known champion of sustainable transportation and bikes. As Mayor, with the reputation of Portland strongly behind him, he was poised to become an even brighter beacon for those issues. Ironically, as he faced the barrage of questions and cameras yesterday, he was supposed to be testifying in front of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. Adams was there to try and influence Congress to invest economic stimulus money in something other than new highways and roads.

It’s sad to see such a shining light for a new vision of urban transportation suddenly lose its brilliance, but we have to remember that Adams has been just a spokesman for something much larger. Portland, Oregon, and America are clearly ready to ride toward a new path for transportation — it’s just sad to think that Adams might not be joining us for the ride.

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224 Comments
  • Paul Tay January 21, 2009 at 10:21 am

    I suspect impersonating Rev. Phil while biking might not be a really bad idea after all.

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  • sh January 21, 2009 at 10:24 am

    More than anything, this entire affair makes me terribly sad.

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  • Scott Mizée January 21, 2009 at 10:25 am

    thanks for sharing your viewpoint, Jonathan.

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  • Erik January 21, 2009 at 10:27 am

    What an unfortunante situation. It certaintly isn’t work Adams resignation though. He has lots of good work to do!

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  • Jonathan Maus (Editor) January 21, 2009 at 10:32 am

    “He has lots of good work to do!”

    I agree Erik. And I think Adams and his team could do a lot of great things for our city.

    But politics is a tough and sometimes unforgiving game (Sam knows that better than anyone). Unfortunately, especially in this country, character issues can make it impossible to lead effectively.

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  • Steve Brown January 21, 2009 at 10:34 am

    My guess is that if had let this come out earlier he would have still won mayors race. As much as we may dislike his choice of actions, we may all have to sit and wait until the recall process takes place over the next six months. The damage has already been done. Time to see what we can fix and move on.

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  • Bjorn January 21, 2009 at 10:37 am

    I still support sam and do not want to see him resign. I don’t think I am alone, and right now it is important that we make our voices heard. Is anyone surprised that the tribune thinks he should resign? There are a lot of people out there who were against him in the campaign who are saying now he should leave. I stay stick with it Sam, I guess if in 3 months you find that you can’t be effective well then maybe take a look but don’t do anything rash please.

    Bjorn

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  • Jonathan Maus (Editor) January 21, 2009 at 10:42 am

    “Is anyone surprised that the tribune thinks he should resign?”

    Just FYI, the Tribune endorsed Adams.

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  • the future January 21, 2009 at 10:43 am

    there are some leaders worth forgiving. i got your back sam.

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  • chipp January 21, 2009 at 10:46 am

    I dunno. is it a problem? is he married? in a committed relationship? was breedlove 18 at the time? if he was 18 and the mayor isn’t married or in a committed relationship, then, its betweent the two of them. Get on to city business.

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  • bahueh January 21, 2009 at 10:48 am

    politicians have kept careers going through worse (e.g. Ted Kennedy)…but he’s got a long road back towards building trust with the public…

    hope he’s got a good lawyer who’s advising him currently…

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  • Kronda January 21, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Wow, this is sickening. No, not Sam. Yeah, he screwed up (I’m referring to the lie, not the act he lied about), but all this righteous moaning and groaning makes me sick.

    Two words people: DOUBLE STANDARD. Have we already forgotten Bill “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” Clinton? He got to keep his job, and for my money, I wish he could have stayed on for another couple terms. But hey, at least W didn’t have any affairs right?

    I’m not disputing that lying or asking someone to lie for you is wrong. I’m just appalled that people are calling for Sam’s head over this. To my knowledge, he wasn’t cheating on anyone, and he didn’t do anything illegal. If he lied about embezzling from the government, I’d hop on the band wagon. But this–well, maybe it’s just me, but I never really expect politicians or gay men to keep it in their pants and Sam is both. Quelle surprise!

    I hope this whole thing ends up being more of a Vanessa Williams-type bump in the road, and not the career-ending scandal so many people are making it out to be. If that happens, the real losers will be us.

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  • Magnus Johannesson January 21, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Being born in Europe I still get culture shock when I see sex scandals based on consensual sex between adults that at times ruin careers. In many countries around the world this barely would have made the news. No wonder Sam didn’t come clean during the campaign. I hope this dies down fast so that Sam can go back to running the City. Stay tough, Sam.

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  • Jonathan Maus (Editor) January 21, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Kronda and others,

    The thing with this situation is that it’s not just the relationship with Breedlove that is making it hard for Adams to recover… I think for a lot of people it’s the way he handled the lie and the political moves he made when it first came up.

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  • Marion January 21, 2009 at 10:55 am

    I agree with Kronda.. whole heartedly. Let’s give him a break.. and hope he leads with his head next time he’s faced with temptation.

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  • Daniel (teknotus) Johnson January 21, 2009 at 10:57 am

    It amazes me that one tidbit about a politicians personal life is enough to get two newspapers to instantly call for his resignation. I hear murmers about affairs, and such going on around the political scene, and really I don’t care who is involved as long as they do their job of making the city I live in great. So what Sam did was bad judgement as far as relationships are concerned. Use that knowledge to avoid getting in a relationship with Sam, or discourage your son from getting in a relationship with him. That is a whole different, and in my mind completely unrelated issue from running a city. I wouldn’t have even mentioned this issue on the front page. I care about the Mayors conference, and unfortunately this issue has ruined that for our city.

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  • Kronda January 21, 2009 at 10:58 am

    I think for a lot of people it’s the way he handled the lie and the political moves he made when it first came up.

    Jonathan,

    I understand that, and I agree that it was handled badly. Really badly. But I also understand that people make mistakes and I totally understand how he could have freaked out and lied about it. Panic and good choices don’t really go together.

    I just don’t think it’s a mistake worth ending his career and I think a lot of people are throwing stones from glass houses.

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  • Marion January 21, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Right. I get that Jonathan.. totally but he was not thinking with his head he was thinking with his xxxx… as is a problem for some politicians.. Clinton, Goldschmidt, Frank etc.. Abuse of power on a personal level is not o.k.. but I am hoping that he and the people of Portland can let him lead. We all believed he could in the absence of this mess.

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  • Hollie January 21, 2009 at 10:59 am

    This depresses the hell out of me. It seems like with every pivotal Obama Moment there is, somewhere else in the country and on a smaller scale, something that happens in the opposite direction of progress: the passing of prop 8 and the potential downfall of Sam Adams.

    Sam’s only reason for resigning at this point would be to acknowledge that he’d lost credibility with the sanctimonious people who honestly feel that this has much bearing on his abilities as a leader. It confuses me that his entire record would be null and void because of this.

    Sam is still my mayor. I want those who are like-minded to rally around him with me in a public way to garner support for his continued service as mayor.

    What can we do?

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  • sanita January 21, 2009 at 11:00 am

    this is so ridiculous. who cares about who he is or isn’t, has or hasn’t slept with. it’s not my business and frankly it’s not yours (the public) either. keep on sam…chin up, and don’t let the bastards get you down.

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  • The Man January 21, 2009 at 11:05 am

    Seriously folks. He had legal consensual sex. If anything we should congratulate him. The fact that he lied about it is par for the course when it comes to politicians, but in my humble opinion it is the media, or shall I say the vultures, that force good people like Sam Adams to feel like they have to lie in situations like this. Let’s put this baby to bed and get back to business.

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  • redhippie January 21, 2009 at 11:05 am

    Practicality time.

    Sam F-up.

    True, but he is also the best Mayor we have had here since Bud Clark. The man is hands on and accountable. Just look at the snow storm. How many leaders do you see up infront of the cameras actually leading? Not jsut giving sound bites, but actually leading.

    When you ask for his resignation, ask your self what his replacement will be like. Will he/she be better or worse? Sure Sam messed up, but in these trying times, we need a strong leader. We need Sam. So in my Conservative Republican mind he needs to stay in office and see us through these times.

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  • toddistic January 21, 2009 at 11:05 am

    Whatever happened to ‘don’t kiss and tell’?

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  • Daniel (teknotus) Johnson January 21, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Re #19 Hollie

    You said the word rally. Get a group of people together at City hall with signs saying “Sam please don’t resign”.

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  • Jonathan Maus (Editor) January 21, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Kronda and Marion,

    Thanks. I was just pointing something out. I think the crux into the future will be how the people of our city frame their support or lack of support.

    “What can we do?”

    Like any issue that comes up. Organize. Network. Hold an event. Get some attention for your position and state your case clearly and sincerely.

    On last night’s 11 o’clock news they featured a screenshot of that “recall Sam Adams” blog. I wonder if someone will create a “Sam Is Still Our Mayor” blog?

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  • Marion January 21, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Right.. I would go down to city hall with a sign.. anyone else?

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  • Erik Sandblom January 21, 2009 at 11:09 am

    I think for a lot of people it’s the way he handled the lie and the political moves he made when it first came up.

    Why is it OK for reporters to ask politicians about their sex lives in the first place?

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  • Anonymous January 21, 2009 at 11:12 am

    This was not a mistake, it was a calculated cover up on the part of Sam Adams and his political machine.

    He lied.
    He got Breedlove to lie.
    He got staff to coach Breedlove on how to lie.
    He destroyed another man’s political career with his lie.
    He used homophobia as a cover to his lie.

    All to gain a political office.

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  • Whisky Tango Foxtrot January 21, 2009 at 11:12 am

    “Why is it OK for reporters to ask politicians about their sex lives in the first place?”

    Um…because he was having sex with a minor. If you really believe he waited until the kid was 18, then you probably also believe Clinton didn’t inhale.

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  • Anonymous January 21, 2009 at 11:14 am

    What about the ridiculous appointment of Amy Ruiz to the sustainability position in his office?

    Why would a journalist, investigating this very issue, even be considered qualified to hold the position?

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  • Snowflake Seven January 21, 2009 at 11:17 am

    @#19 “What can we do?”

    Personally, I wrote an encouraging email to Sam and an “outraged at your immaturity” email to the papers.

    When Sam was running for office I didn’t even know he was gay. But it wouldn’t have mattered if I did. I voted for his policy positions and what they can do to move this city forward.

    As long as nothing illegal took place, I do not care who was intimate with whom.

    The Portland I love and believe in is more progressive and open-minded than this. If you agree its time to speak up for Sam.

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  • Whisky Tango Foxtrot January 21, 2009 at 11:17 am

    I’ll go downtown with a sign – something like this:

    “NAMBLA Supports Sam Adams”

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  • mikeybikey January 21, 2009 at 11:18 am

    I know that a lot of people are concerned about how he lied about it in the campaign and find it especially depressing in contrast to Obama’s campaign. But I’m over the kool-aide and must say let’s be clear here: I remember Obama making all kinds of progressive promises in the primary campaign, only to get the nomination and then start upholding the status quo. His cabinet is full of Clinton-era folks. Even here on BP, there was widespread disappointment and apologetics for his Transportation pick. Personally, I am way more concerned about this kind of lie than I am about Adams not being fully honest about a legal sexual relationship that we have no business hearing about in the first place. I am disappointed in him for feeling that he had to lie about it, but he’s a human being and I can understand why he made the mistake. Until he engages in illegal activities or starts having some major policy reversals, I’ll still support him as Mayor.

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  • Wyatt Baldwin January 21, 2009 at 11:18 am

    I’m confounded as to why this is news. Why was someone investigating Adam’s personal life in the first place? Given that it’s none of anyone’s business, I don’t care that he lied about it. The question shouldn’t have been asked in the first place.

    When I first heard about this, I assumed there must have been some sort of impropriety, but it looks like just more of the celebrity obsession/scandal-mongering that we love so much in this country (and what exactly is the fascination?!). That and a pretext for Adam’s political opponents.

    The ones doing the damage are the ones making a big stink out of nothing. Maybe *they* should all resign.

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  • jonno January 21, 2009 at 11:18 am

    My biggest concern about continuing to support Adams because of his good work on transportation is this:

    What if he’s not being honest about other critical details here? He’s already admitted that he lied about the sex and the “mentoring” status of the relationship, and now the Amy Ruiz hiring looks fishy too. But he insists the boy was 18 at the time — what if that’s a lie too? What if there are other sordid, sleazy details related to the coverup?

    Once a liar, always untrustworthy, unfortunately. Anyone left supporting him if another lie comes out is going to have credibility issues of their own. I wouldn’t want to be part of that.

    On the other hand, if we didn’t have so many sanctimonious puritans passing judgment on the consensual sex lives of others, I doubt that Adams would have felt the need to lie in the first place since (he says) he broke no laws. In that sense, I empathize with his situation. But coulda-woulda-shoulda; it doesn’t justify the dishonesty, and a better man might have come clean and kept his integrity intact.

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  • Erik Sandblom January 21, 2009 at 11:24 am

    “Why is it OK for reporters to ask politicians about their sex lives in the first place?”

    Um…because he was having sex with a minor. If you really believe he waited until the kid was 18, then you probably also believe Clinton didn’t inhale.

    Well I’m glad we agree that it’s not a matter for public discussion if the other guy was an adult. Regarding exactly when they had sex, accept that you don’t have that information.

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  • carlos January 21, 2009 at 11:28 am

    I read this on another blog at oregonlive.com so I’m not sure how much of it is fact, but Amy Ruiz first broke this story during the mayoral campaign. She was later given a job by Sam Adams that was double what she made at the mercury. Further more she herself admitted to not knowing much about the inner workings of the position. If this is true wouldn’t he be manipulating the tax payers money for his own personal gain?

    Not to mention he lied, and forced others to lie for him. This is what bothers me the most. Politicians are where they are because the people who put them there trust in them. Without that the whole system breaks down.

    I didn’t think it was right when Bill Clinton lied, and I don’t think it is right in this case either. With that said it’s not my place to pass judgment and I only hope that our elected officials will review all the facts of the case and come to an appropriate decision.

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  • Moo January 21, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I think he would only resign if there were the slightest chance that an investigation would uncover that the consensual sex was with the kid when he was 17. Otherwise, Sam should be ready to fight for what’s right.

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  • Hollie January 21, 2009 at 11:32 am

    samisstillmymayor.blogspot.com

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  • Whisky Tango Foxtrot January 21, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Well I’m glad we agree that it’s not a matter for public discussion if the other guy was an adult. Regarding exactly when they had sex, accept that you don’t have that information.

    I don’t understand this way of thinking. Are you saying that it’s ok that he lied and covered it up because people shouldn’t have been asking him about it in the first place?

    Like many others have said – I could care less about the sex, it’s the deception that bothers me.

    I also think that if this were some bike hating neocon the same people defending Adams would be calling for the neocon’s head. It’s partisan hypocrisy at its worst.

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  • Paul Tay January 21, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Partisan hypocrisy at its best? Don’tcha just LOVE it!

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  • steve January 21, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Bye bye Sam the tram! Maybe he can find work as a bridge mover?

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  • Erik Sandblom January 21, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Whisky Tango Foxtrot, I’m not saying it’s okay to lie. I just think the sex lives of politicians is not for public discussion. I wish reporters would stop asking that kind of question.

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  • Whisky Tango Foxtrot January 21, 2009 at 11:45 am

    I’m not saying it’s okay to lie. I just think the sex lives of politicians is not for public discussion. I wish reporters would stop asking that kind of question.

    I completely agree.

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  • Kronda January 21, 2009 at 11:51 am

    @mikeybikey: Excellent points!

    @Hollie Awesome, I signed up to follow the blog.

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  • steve January 21, 2009 at 12:06 pm
  • Ron January 21, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    You can give Sam a message of support at this link: http://www.portlandonline.com/mayor/index.cfm?c=49271

    I for one am ready to move on, the apology was enough. He needs to rebuild trust with his consituents but that is doable. We need his voice.

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  • Icarus Falling January 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    He should do the city a favor and resign now.

    The apology is not enough.

    He is supposed to be a representative of the City Of Portland.

    I do not want him representing me, my city, or cycling anymore.

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  • Icarus Falling January 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    I also think some of you are glossing over the fact that the boy certainly must not have been 18 yet at the time of the relationship.

    If he had been, there would be no reason for the lies and cover ups.

    So, with that in mind, he broke the rules.

    It is no longer just sex when it is with a minor.

    it is a crime.

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  • Jeff P January 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    The most unfotunate aspect of this to me is the fact that he was mentoring a youth on furthering a political career and the example he demonstrated was that lying to voters to better your position is an acceptable ‘necessity’.

    Sorry, but that is not acceptable for todays youth or todays up and coming politicians and should not be forgivable – regardless of the circumstances.

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  • Ian Stude January 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    I intend to stand with Sam Adams. He is still the best candidate for Mayor and for leading this city forward into its brighter and more bicycle-friendly future. His apology is enough for me. I do not believe his private life, nor how he chooses to the speak to the media about it, are any of my business. Frankly, I am more ashamed at the behavior of our local media and its thirst for tragic stories and mayhem.

    Let’s get to work on the things that really matter.

    By the way, Jonathan, your headline to this story is a little more ‘defeatist’ than I suspect you actually feel about this situation. Perhaps there’s a little more room for hopefulness in there?

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  • Jonathan Maus (Editor) January 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    By the way, Jonathan, your headline to this story is a little more ‘defeatist’ than I suspect you actually feel about this situation. Perhaps there’s a little more room for hopefulness in there?

    I hear you Ian. I wrote that in a sad mood and I didn’t really see any signs of positive momentum for his cause. Reading these comments I know see more people willing to support him.

    I’ll consider changing the headline, but at this point, I don’t think I will.

    thanks…and I hope you’re not “ashamed” at my coverage. I just feel it would be strange if I didn’t write about the situation at all.

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  • lothar January 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    The fact that I was lied to so as to not have all the evidence of character in making an informed decision is bad enough. I would have most likely still voted for Sam. But what troubles me more is the allegation of possible cronyism. Maybe the first positive step for Sam would be for Amy to resign first. If that were to happen, and barring the young man wasn’t under age, regaining confidence may be possible in the next 6 months.

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  • Lenny Anderson January 21, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    The press has no business asking about our leaders’ personal lives. Why not lie? “It ain’t nobody’s business, but my own.” This is Portland’s old prudish roots showing…how tiring. Hang in there Sam.
    Surely Sam’s lie pails in comparison to the Oregonian’s double talk about global warming…on the one hand they argue that its real (agreed), yet on the other hand they assert that a new 12 lane bridge across the Columbia does not make it worse. Hello?

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  • a.O January 21, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    I’m with you, Jonathan. This whole thing sucks big time. All of the potential and momentum we have here locally is draining away moment by moment. It’s Sam’s fault partly, but also the political opportunists who have sensed weakness and pounced.

    And, as for the Oregonian, you missed the Goldschmitt story and this one, and you’ve effed up countless others – how bout you resign?

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  • geezer January 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    #49 I also think some of you are glossing over the fact that the boy certainly must not have been 18 yet at the time of the relationship.

    If you’re speculating, then it’s not a fact, is it?

    #41 Partisan hypocrisy at its best?

    The mayoral election was non-partisan. There has been no mention of political parties in these threads.

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  • Mike January 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    I just don’t feel like I can trust him.

    Panic can induce poor decisions, understood, but is that the kind of person we want to be in charge? I’d rather they were a little more level headed under what is relatively little pressure (questions about a legal consensual relationship fitting in that category).

    This seems to be a long story line of bad decisions.

    I suggest he resigns, assumes another position and begins the rebuilding process.

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  • chipp January 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    besides.. Breedlove is a hottie!

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  • Andrew January 21, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    I stand behind Sam. This whole situation is being blown out of proportion more than I could imagine.

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  • revphil January 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    from the wweek:

    According to Oregon law, if an adult male has sex with a minor older than 16, the act is considered contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor.

    Sure, the law is the law but it is an arbitrary date. Some people are never mature enough to drink, for example.

    moreover, i get more impressive charges brushing my teeth in the morning.

    This scandal needs more sex, and more scandal.

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  • Paul Cone January 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Another vote for changing the headline — it is not Adams’ light but rather the light he is being viewed in that is dimming. Just remember there are multiple lights — The Oregonian and The Trib are only one.

    Icarus, you sound like you are judging Sam guilty based on hearsay and not facts. Quit hiding behind your moralistic attitude.

    And it’s that same attitude which is most likely the reason that Sam saw fit to lie. We claim to be an open, accepting country yet we are hypocritical with our judging, Puritanical attitudes towards sex. Sure, I care that Sam lied, but he probably saw it as the lesser of two evils, the other being the trial by media that is now occurring. He took a gamble and lost the hand, but hopefully won’t lose the game.

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  • Erik January 21, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    I don’t think this started with a reporter asking a question about his sex life. I think it started when Bob Ball brought it up during the 2007 election. Then Adams responded to it.

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  • Whisky Tango Foxtrot January 21, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    And it’s that same attitude which is most likely the reason that Sam saw fit to lie. We claim to be an open, accepting country yet we are hypocritical with our judging, Puritanical attitudes towards sex.

    I hope all of you people making comments like this also have unwavering support for Senator Larry Craig.

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  • Icarus Falling January 21, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    I am judging based on what we have to judge from.

    There is no reason to lie about a relationship with someone who is of age.

    So, why lie?

    Because the person certainly must not have been of age.

    By the way, I am very morally flexible.

    But not when it comes to sexual predators.

    Which is what a 42 or so year old man pursuing a 17/18 year old boy is.

    A sexual predator.

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  • Kronda January 21, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    @Icarus Falling (63)

    Wow, now Sam’s a predator? Is Breedlove some kind of puppet? Who’s to say he didn’t make the first move? The speculation spectacle continues…

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  • babs January 21, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Check out the Oregonian’s editorial board interview with Sam Adams. It helped but his behavior in context.

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  • Rixtir January 21, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    If Sam had sex with a minor, it’s a crime, and therefore it’s proper to ask about the allegations.

    If he had consensual sex with an adult, it’s nobody’s business but his, and even if he lied about it, he’s justified, because it’s nobody’s business but his.

    It’s a sad day for the Portland we all envision.

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  • Rixtir January 21, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Kronda, #66: According to Sam, Breedlove made the first several moves, and most of the following moves.

    When I was Breedlove’s age, i had the hots for a woman in her 30s. I guess that makes her a predator too.

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  • redhippie January 21, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Kronda # 64

    Minors are not of age to consent. It doesn’t matter who made the first move.

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  • Rixtir January 21, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    WTF, 64: Larry Craig is a man who cruised for gay sex in public restrooms, all while pushing an anti-gay agenda in his role as the Senator from Boise-Cascade.

    Do you really see a parallel there with Sam Adams?

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  • Peter January 21, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    wow – talk about throwing someone under the bus.

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  • Anonymous January 21, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Rixtir,

    And would your parents been somewhat upset that the 30 year old did not rebuff your advances, because she as an adult should know better?

    Would they not be upset if that 30 year old was your teacher or mentor, giving you advice on how to lead your life and did not rebuff your advances?

    The man abused his position of power.

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  • matchu January 21, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    If all involved parties were consenting adults then it is none of our business. Period. I don’t believe the very question that prompted this bit of controversy was appropriate in the first place and thus it is understanding why Adams may have felt an urge to defend the secrecy of his personal life. He may may have had a moment of uncertainty regarding the disclosure of information that should be his and the other adult’s alone. I have confidence in his ability as an official in public office and it would be a tremendous letdown to see him leave his position as mayor. This is my vote of confidence for a very capable and sensible man.

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  • geezer January 21, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    #65 I am judging based on what we have to judge from.

    If you don’t know all the facts, why not reserve judgment until you do?

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  • Brad January 21, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Everyone go back and read post #28 – that is the issue.

    Also, read the entire Willamette Week story. There’s also an interesting bit about how Sam “helped” Mr. Breedlove get an apartment leasing job at The Wyatt despite Mr.Breedlove’s vast resume of restaurant jobs. Part of a hush job? Maybe.

    Sex? That’s just the sideshow that many of you, including Sam’s fans, just can’t get past.

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  • Whisky Tango Foxtrot January 21, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    WTF, 64: Larry Craig is a man who cruised for gay sex in public restrooms, all while pushing an anti-gay agenda in his role as the Senator from Boise-Cascade.

    Do you really see a parallel there with Sam Adams?

    Yes. His agenda should have nothing to do with it. If people here really think that someone’s sex life is none of our business, then you should be defending Larry Craig’s right to do what he wants with a consenting adult.

    Also, Larry Craig maintains his innocence. Why is he any less credible than Sam Adams?

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  • Rixtir January 21, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Of course Larry Craig has a right to have consensual sex with any consenting adult if he so chooses.

    That’s not what’s at issue. What’s at issue is his galling hypocrisy in pursuing gay sexual relationships in private while publicly pushing an anti-gay agenda.

    Craig may say he didn’t solicit gay sex in a public restroom ( a crime, btw), but that story only flies if the police officer he (allegedly) solicited is lying about the encounter. Is that the theory you’re going with, WTF? That the police officer is a liar?

    In contrast, Sam’s story isn’t being contradicted by an undercover police officer, is it?

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  • Brad January 21, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    I am curious about the potential for legal action from Bob Ball. Since this has come to light and, according to the WW piece, Mr.Breedlove apologized to Mr. Ball then a lawsuit could be imminent.

    A.O. or other barristers, could the city be held liable since an elected official slandered a citizen?

    Even if only Sam can be sued, this would be a huge distraction for some time to come and would erode the mayor’s ability to effectively govern.

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  • Rixtir January 21, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Brad, 76–

    I don’t care if he lied about something that is none of our business.

    That is the issue.

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  • Brad January 21, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Rixtir – when Sam lied and sought to cover up the truth, destroyed the reputation of a private citizen by publically labeling him a “liar”, and accused others of homophobia without merit then it became our business.

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  • Mama January 21, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    I am glad to see some support and rational thinking over the whole matter here.
    I feel very sad that the situation is taking up so much of people’s time. Time and tax payer money that could instead be doing good. Sam was on a path to make positive change for the city and now…he is wasting all of our time, effort and money on something that really isn’t anyone’s business. Besides, who else? Who better is waiting in the wings to “lead” our city?

    A friend just sent me a note and I love what it said: “I am tired of it too. I hate that he lied
    and he made the kid lie. That’s absolutely not cool in my book. But,
    everyone in the world has subversive personal lives. It’s not going
    to be the end of Portland. But, the media needs to give up up & stop
    sensationalizing. But, you know, sex sells and papers are hard up for
    cash these days.” The media’s need for sales outweighs everything creating a sick frenzy. For what? It happens again and again. It makes me sad-was no one inspired by Obama’s speech? Come on! Let’s move on. Let’s move forward.

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  • Rixtir January 21, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Unless “the truth” involves the commission of a crime, I must disagree– who Sam dates is none of our business, and if questions are asked despite the fact that it’s none of our business, we don’t deserve answers, and should ‘t be outraged if the answers we do receive are less than forthcoming.

    If Bob Ball didn’t want to get muddy, he could have stayed away from the mud. He was the one who sought to make a private matter public. If he was truly concerned about what may have been the commission of a crime, why not report his suspicions to the police, privately? Why did he instead begin a whispering campaign against his political rival?

    Was at least pat of what Ball said true? Yes. Was his reputation tarnished by Sam’s denial? Yes. Was Ball’s whispering campaign appropriate fodder for public discussion? No, it was not, and therefore, Sam had the right to deny the truth of the allegations– even if that meant that Ball’s reputation would be tarnished.

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  • Anonymous January 21, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    So wait, when did it become unethical to deny inappropriate accusations regardless of their founding? Nobody had the right to ask him the question. Who cares if the kid was seventeen or eighteen. If he’s eighteen then Adams is fine but if the kid was seventeen then Adams is a pervert? Grow up, people. This is a fake controversy. Keep your eye on the ball, there’s way more important stuff going on. Just because HuffPo did an article on this doesn’t legitimize it.

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  • Hart January 21, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    What exactly did Adams do that was unethical, I still haven’t heard what the problem is. Is gay sex a crime or something?

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  • a.O January 21, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    So wait, when did it become unethical to deny inappropriate accusations regardless of their founding?

    You mean, when did it become unethical to lie? Long, long ago. And if you don’t think there is an ethical issue here, perhaps you should ask Sam himself, who admits that his lying was wrong.

    Again, if you don’t care about having elected officials who are honest and trustworthy, then you don’t deserve them.

    But regardless of how you come donw on this, it is bad for our City. I don’t see how Adams is going to “regain the trust” of Portlanders by just remaining in office, sadly.

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  • Hart January 21, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Okay, then Adams should have said “You have no right to ask that question.” Instead he said, “No.” Either way, it’s none of our business, and it does not reflect on his professional life.

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  • Matthew Denton January 21, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    I’ll bite. I never thought Larry Craig should resign. I thought he had committed a crime, (and there was really no question about that, since he admitted to it,) but the evidence that says Adams had sex with a 17 year old, (which is indeed a rather serious crime,) is non-existent, [at least currently.] And expecting people to resign based on rumors, is, well, stupid.

    Now, I did make fun of Larry Craig, partly because he seemed to spend more of his time denying that he was gay, (that isn’t illegal,) than that he had been acting very oddly in an airport men’s room, (which is illegal,) and partly because parts of his story (“wide stance”) were so silly.

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  • Hart January 21, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Who cares if the kid was 17. When I was 19 I slept with a 17 year old. Should I be fired from my job for it too?

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  • Randonee January 21, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    a.O #86

    Did President Bill Clinton regain your trust?

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  • bahueh January 21, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Hart..dunno…were you elected to your job,lie about the affair, and potentially hire an unqualified individual, privy to that relationship, for a city job to effectively shut her up about the whole thing? (its called a bribe, btw)

    not all the facts are in…but its not looking good for Adams right now.

    some here have a good point though…he’s probably better in office than most of those people who may replace him…

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  • Matthew Denton January 21, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Hart #89: No, because you were within 36 months of their age, and there is a special exception for that in the statutory rape law.

    The real problem with sleeping with 17 year olds is that one could be looking at a jail sentence, and be listed as a sexual predator for the rest of your life. And the jail sentence part makes it hard to show up to work at all, (which does tend to cost people their jobs,) but the sexual predator bit makes it hard to work on the high school graduation rate problem in this city, (because you aren’t allowed in public school buildings.)

    But, again, there is no evidence of him actually sleeping with a 17 year old, just that he met the person that when the person was 17. And that isn’t a crime.

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  • wsbob January 21, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    In Sam Adams, it’s turned out that voters have not gotten the kind of person they voted for. Before election, Adams convincingly presented himself as a person of high ethical standard. Now, he’s conceded, in effect, suggesting his character isn’t consistent with that standard. Meanwhile, important things that should be getting done, are stalled.

    Is this the kind of character in their mayor, people of Portland are willing to put up with? How long before Adams pops another big surprise on the city?

    This kind of ridiculous high jinx is fine for tabloid material, but there’s work to do and a city to run. The Adams-Breedlove stupid affair is holding it up. Right about now, because of Adams and his date, the city could really use a big rinse with Listerine and a wash down with Lysol.

    Adams and Breedlove…both are disgusting…Adams should know better than to fall for that kind of hokey, prettied up Star Search material. Might be best for the city to ship both of these guys off to Fantasy Island for a long while and let them tryst away to their heart’s content. Get them both out of the way so the city can return to getting something constructive done.

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  • Hart January 21, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    wsbob, you claim that tabloid stuff is ridiculous, then you write an entire paragraph attacking two people for their personal preferences in regard to attraction. You should take your own advice as fas as getting something constructive accomplished.

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  • caryebye January 21, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    I agree with Ian, the title of this story, made me start to feel like there was no hope. But then most of the posts I read were of support and it started to give me hope, because I too saw Oregonian, and Mercury stating that Sam should step down. So I understand Jonathan why the mood is somber.

    So unless anything else crazy bad comes out of this story, I’m standing by Sam Adams in support. I don’t condone what he did, but I don’t think its enough to resign. He has worked so hard in Portland Government – I want to see what he can do for Bikes, Art, People, and the City.

    Gathering Support…
    It sounds like there’s not enough loud voices of support for Sam to continue to be Mayor. I know how well bicyclists can organize – like when funding money was cut and jonathan posted the story, suddenly the funding came up.

    Hollie’s blog is a start. It would be great to get a petition of support started.
    http://samisstillmymayor.blogspot.com

    Hollie has posted about trying to get a rally started I posted that maybe this Friday night.

    Also she posted OBP is running a Think out loud program tommorrow, thurs at 9 am.

    For those who want Sam as our Mayor, don’t lose hope.

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  • Anonymous January 21, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Leadership is all about character. It always has been. If Adams said that his personal life is no one’s business and he wouldn’t answer questions about any part of his personal life, then he wouldn’t have lied. Instead, he chose to lie about something that was perfectly legal. Why? Is it that he doesn’t trust Portland residents with an issue? By lying, and encouraging others to lie, he denied Portland residents an informed vote. What they got was someone who would lie about something legal.

    I personally don’t care what he does in his private life, as long as it’s legal. This issue isn’t about his private life, it’s about his lying. I don’t understand the writers here who insist this is about his personal life, it’s simply not.

    The comparisons with Adams and Clinton don’t matter. We can decide for ourselves what type of behavior is tolerated in Portland. If we can make an informed decision to elect a liar, fine, elect the person. But, give me that information. Don’t lie to me, ever. I’m tired of liars in political office. Sam Adams is not above the expectation to be ethical and honest.

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  • a.O January 21, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    It’s now clear that Adams will resign; it’s just a matter of when. Let’s move on and try to find another progressive person we can get elected.

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  • Rixtir January 21, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    @ 96:

    Adams wasn’t asked questions. Rumors were beng spread in a whispering campaign by a political rival who just happens to be a Reserve Police Officer. One would have to be a naif to believe that a Reserve Police Officer started a whispering campaign against a political rival because he was concerned that a law might have been broken. One would also have to be a naif to believe that he could have just refused to respond to the rumors. And one would have to believe at some very fundamental level that a politician’s personal life is the public’s business, to believe that he owed a candid response to a whispering campaign designed to destroy his candidacy with images of anti-gay stereotypes.

    Personally, I don’t believe that one adult’s ( legal) relationship with another consenting adult is the public’s business, and therefore, I don’t believe that the person involved owes anybody a candid response to inappropriate prying into a private matter.

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  • Dick January 21, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Oh yes, Bike Portland having positive posts for Adams? You’re freakin kidding me!

    Caryebey, don’t be too optimistic. You’re reading maybe 60 to 70 positive posts to keep Sam Adams in city hall, on the most likely of Sam Adams support site, being in a city of nearly 600,000.

    The most leftist wing nuts of Portland converging and admiting they they don’t mind their leader is a pederast so long as they support their utopian dream of bicycle nirvana and one-upmanship.

    Channel 6 did a huge expose tonight with a professional vocal analyst who said it was his opinion Adams is lying about waiting for Beau be 18 to fill his pot hole. This guy has 30 years experience developing a lie detection technique using vocal analysis with 95% accuracy. He has imperical scientific evidence. Face it, youre boy Adams is done, poke him with a fork.

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  • TBikes January 21, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    “Let’s move on and try to find another progressive person we can get elected”. -a.O

    Gil Kelley, are you interested?

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  • Hart January 21, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    The nerve of Adams to lie to such a bastion of non-biased journalism like the Willamette WEAK about his private sex life! Doesn’t he know that we have a RIGHT to know exactly who he is F*çK¡ng at ALL TIMES!!! Where is his DECENCY!!??!!

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  • Eileen January 21, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    I would not think it was such a big deal except that it was a bald-faced lie. I am really, REALLY tired of defending politicians who have “good intentions” but just can’t help themselves. When Clinton had his fling with Monica, I said, his private life is his private business. But you know what, now I’m over 30 and I am either getting conservative in my old age or I can see the light. It’s not about what he did, it’s about how he responded. It’s an issue of character.

    ***Dating a minor, NOT OKAY.
    ***At the age of 42, having sex with a just-turned 18 year old is DEFINITELY a sign of major character flaws and immaturity and impetuousness. He is quite obviously a man who acts first, thinks later.
    ***Outright lying about the whole thing is troublesome.

    I am having difficulty believing that they waited until after his 18th birthday. I’m not sure I would believe anything from him. THis is not the first incident that made me question his character either. Way back before the elections when he was working behind then-mayor Tom Potter’s back to try and push forth his own agenda, I thought he sounded sleazy.

    As a teacher, I am constantly fighting the battle of kids who seriously think there is nothing wrong with cheating. It is not a few kids, it is not here and there, it is a pandemic! Not only do they blatantly cheat, but the only thing wrong is getting caught and when they are, there is no shame, they laugh it off and brag to their friends. Could it be that seeing the leaders we put in office who are regularly caught in lies and allowed to continue is implanting a value in our youth that we never intended?

    I also have to point out that when Sho Dozono was confronted on his tax issues, he told the truth from the get-go, and the public used that as an excuse to dismiss a thoughtful man of character, choosing instead to support the flashy guy with the great smile and a lot of promises.

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  • MaTa January 21, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    I am soooooo sad. . .the writing is pretty clearly on the wall that Adams will resign, and sooner than later.

    I don’t want him to. . . I honestly haven’t been as excited for a politician to gain office in my whole life – more so than even Obama, really. I was proud of my city, excited of the progressive acts that would have undoubtedly come from Adams’ office, and proud of a positive example of LGBT leadership for the nation.

    However, I am now beyond deflated and saddened that he basically threw it all away for a piece of tail. How cliche’ and sad – so ‘B’ or ‘C’ movie script . … such a horrible “gift” to hand right over to the right-wing zealots and prudes. Way to reinforce the horrible gays=pedophile stereotypes (no matter how unfairly) as well as Dems/Progressives be portrayed as dishonest and manipulative.

    Everything about this situation stinks, at the very least, of incompetence to be a politician. Was Beau 18 or not? Who cares – mainstream America sure doesn’t. The fact is that it was (supposed to be) a mentor based relationship that eventually went sexual with the obvious power differential in play (just like a teacher hooking up with a student, in most of the public’s eyes, at least). Add to that, Sam’s staff (supposedly) warning him all along, of the inappropriate appearance. America has serious issues with sexuality and politics (especially gay) that wouldn’t be a problem just about anywhere else, and ANYONE who has even remotely followed politics would know this. *DUH* What the hell was Sam thinking???

    Then, to add even more to the damage, Amy Ruiz, one of two reporters that continued to investigate the accusations of the relationship after it first came up, just happens to eventually get an Adams’ staff position that she clearly wasn’t qualified for? Then Beau even ended up with a great job, from using Sam as a reference, while being told to keep quiet about their relations. All along, with the repeated lies and denials from Sam – Ugh!. . .you couldn’t have handed more explosive ammunition to the right wing folks to just salivate over, discussing every detail ad nauseam and reinforcing those tired old (gay and/or Dem) stereotypes. Spitzer? Hart? Clinton? Edwards? Frank? HELLLLLO??? – how could Sam NOT see this coming??? Reading the comment boards of a wide variety of national news media brought tears to my eyes with all of the hate, calls of “pedophilia”, and “told you so”, “look at this immoral Dems”, and how “whacko” Portland is, etc.

    Not only will this set back progressive politics in Portland, but it will set back LGBT folk in a huge way. The right was just looking for ANY example of the left to f**k up, given the string of recent scandals (especially sexual) happening to their “team” as well as their election loss, to focus upon and regroup. Sam should have known better and that to the right wing, he was public enemy #1 and would be subject to intense scrutiny as soon as he became a player – especially being the gay mayor of “Little Beirut”. Sam’s staff knew better, any person with even a REMOTE clue of how American politics works (unfairly or not) knew better. But apparently, he didn’t, which alone would suggest he is unfit to play hardball in the game of (American) politics.

    It is really such a shame. . .so much good could have come from his work and being someone to look up to for so many, but Sam Adams threw it all to the wind for some nookie and gross incompetence in the cover-up, thereafter. It’s unfair and given his 20+ years of service, he probably deserves a second chance, but unfortunately that’s NOT how American Realpolitik works.

    He’s done (as mayor, at least) and his actions will set many of us back, years. I’m sorry and it’s very sad but also very true.

    He coulda had class. He coulda been a contender. He coulda been somebody. . .. but now much of Portland thinks he’s a bum… . *sigh* 🙁

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  • Eileen January 21, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Matthew, little known fact, I had no idea but recently found out that in Oregon, 17 is the age of consent. We thought someone I know would be arrested, but lucky for him, since she was 17, the police could give a rip. I honestly don’t know what the law says, I just know how the police treated this case I know of.

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  • a.O January 21, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    @ Randonee (#90): Clinton never did regain my trust. Just like now, I don’t care about the sex. But I don’t like being lied to.

    The notion that someone in a position of public trust has no obligation to be truthful in public statements is, IMHO, ridiculous.

    Yes, this whole thing started as an attempt at political/character assassination (#98), but the reason it was attempted is the same reason Adams lied: Both knew that the facts of the affair – however irrelevant to progressive Portlanders – would influence some people’s votes.

    And therein lies the biggest problem with this: Adams didn’t just lie about his personal life, he did it to influence the outcome of the election. And he only came clean after someone else had already proven that he had lied. That suggests a more important character problem when it comes to the means Adams is willing to employ to achieve his political objectives.

    Still, it doesn’t matter what happens with Adams now. What really sucks about this situation is that he has lost the moral authority to tell Portlanders that they need to make some difficult choices in the name of sustainability and for improving our City’s chance at long-term survival. Like it or not moral authority is very important in politics. It’s a necessity for true leadership.

    We’ve lost the momentum for making important changes at the local level. It’s already gone. And, worst of all, there isn’t anybody else in the City who can get done right now what Adams could have achieved. Even if this “problem” gets “solved” by Adams resigning, we won’t get someone who would have done a better job than Adams before the lies were revealed.

    Adams’ selfishness has screwed us all. This is lose-lose, and it effing sucks.

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  • Eileen January 21, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    One more thing. My message to all the people who desperately want to keep Sam Adams in office because of the work you hoped he’d do for bicycles, etc. I’m just asking you to think about where your values come from and what kind of world you hope to live in. I’m assuming that your passion for bicycles comes from a passion for making the world a better, safer, more livable place. Let’s get there with our integrity in tact and feel good about the process. Let’s stop compromising our ideals and overlooking bad behavior in favor of honesty and the belief that what is right and true will win out in the end. We love to point fingers at corrupt politicians who fall prey to automakers and oil companies, we love to watch movies about the back-room deals and sneaky politics that led to our current situation, but when it’s a politician on “our side” who’s fighting for what we want, we are quick to defend and say that it’s okay. But it’s not and I don’t want any movies made by the “other side” highlighting the sneaky underhanded ways we got more bike lanes in Portland. I don’t know what else to say, but if something is worth doing, it’s worth doing right. Don’t cut corners and don’t follow leaders who you can’t trust.

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  • Mark C January 21, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    #’s 100,101, & 103, you all hit the nail on the head. Well said. I’m sad too that Sam threw it away for a “piece of tail.” This happened in 2005. As soon as Adams was first elected in 2004 (probably before), he had his sights set on the mayor’s chair. Why, oh, why would he take such a stupid risk? Bad, bad, judgment initially (42-year-old with a teenager? Come on!) and then he compounds the mistake numerous times. If he’d been honest when this first surfaced in 2007 I’d probably have still voted for him. Now, sadly, he must resign.

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  • M January 21, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    #104 you are so right. Time to move on. It is so sad to see someone fall so soon, but Sam should have come clean with this when it all happened.All of this put us bike riders back about 15 years. I bet Lars Larson and the people on KPDQ loves this Sh–.

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  • Adam January 21, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Eillen I can understand what you are saying but in this situation I don’t feel it’s the same. A politician who falls prey to an automaker or oil company does so for his own gain of greed. Sam did no such thing. The only thing Sam did wrong was lie. Yes that should not be acceptable but it happens. He is human just like you. Can you truthfully say you’ve never lied, can any of us? I know I can’t. I have not lost any respect for Sam and hope dearly that the public will let this go so Sam and his staff can get back to focusing on making this a better city.

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  • Diogo January 21, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    It seems so stupid that people would care so much about his sexual life. Why does it matter?? I thought Portland was a liberal city.

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  • Diogo January 21, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    So people say is not the sex, it’s because he lied. Well, this is politics and no one who says the truth all the time would ever get elected. He lied about it because in this puritan country people would not accept the truth. Let’s not pretend that, just because other people were not caught, they are not liars as well. They are.

    By this mentality the only people who will get elected are the ones who are extremely good liars and are moralists as well. I rather have someone who has sex with minors, does drugs and lies about it to get ellected – those are the real progressive politicians.

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  • Matthew Denton January 21, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    So I was talking to some people at dinner tonight. Bill Clinton went from being one vote away from being out the door, to above 50% approval rating in 2 weeks. Adams in no Bill Clinton, it might take him 3.

    Also keep in mind that there is a small, but visible, minority in this town that hates Sam Adams, they always have and always will. So to listen to people who post under “Anonymous” saying that “I used to like him, but now I don’t,” doesn’t actually mean squat.

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  • Hart January 21, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    The Willamette WEAK, the Mercury, the Boregonian, and the Tribune all have called for Adam’s resignation. I’ll be boycotting any business that advertises with any of those four papers if Adams loses his job over this utter insanity of a witch hunt bull$h¡t. This is madness, the man lied to a sensationalist “reporter” about who he was screwing, GOOD! The WW wants to publish smut, THEY SHOULD BE LIED TO!

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  • metal cowboy January 21, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    Bicycles as a sustainable part of a workable, livable city – one like present day Portland, and the city many of us hope Portland will become in the future, well, that’s bigger than one person.

    If Sam continues to be Mayor, resigns or is ousted from office, those of us who care about bikes and issues of sustainability, should keep our focus on the issues, projects and programs, work like hell to see them through, don’t let anyone marginalize
    the message.

    I’m not happy about any of this, but it doesn’t change the facts that bicycle are part of a better future, If Sam isn’t the one to lead that charge in the future, we’ll need to vote in someone else who can, AND help do it ourselves.

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  • MaTa January 21, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    The Willamette WEAK, the Mercury, the Boregonian, and the Tribune. .. .

    OK. . .you know I am normally pretty skeptical and everything – especially with the mainstream media, but “Just Out” is also calling for him to resign too (as well as the ever-growing list of local media) – it doesn’t look good. You can use silly play on names to try and discredit them or whatever but ALL of those sources are wrong, eh?

    Also, the guy who helped expose this, Nigel Jaquiss, helped expose a similar situation with Goldschmidt in 2004 for the WW – and won a PULITZER for investigative reporting. So, that is all just nonsense witch hunt stuff, too?

    I only wish it was the case – so yeah, keep doing the spin control and see how that works for ya.

    Meanwhile, back in Planet Portland – I am still feeling soooooo betrayed and crushed beyond belief here.

    WHY SAM? WHY???? The ramifications from this will hurt so many that REALLY needed you to be a positive example and our own local symbol of hope and a new (progressive) era.

    😛

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  • Eileen January 21, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    “Well, this is politics and no one who says the truth all the time would ever get elected.”

    So, Diogo, you’re okay with that? That’s the world you want to live in? That’s what you expect from your politicians? If we raise our standards, they will rise to meet it. If we want to see an end to lying, dirty politics, let’s stop accepting lying, dirty politicians.

    The point is, He’s Impetuous, makes bad decisions and he LIES. Do you really want him in charge of our city?

    And Metal Cowboy, what the hell? Lying is lying. What is this relative moralism that it’s okay to lie to a media source based on your JUDGMENT of its’ respectability? That is some pretty shifty rationalization of bad behavior if you ask me.

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  • Ken January 21, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    #13 and #17 are spot-on.

    The U.S. is a sexually repressed country compared to Europe and others.

    Questions about private sexual matters that are completely irrelevant and absent of criminal charges or complaint would be deemed off-limits if it were not for our People Magazine-like nosiness.

    This is a voyeuristic feeding frenzy at best.

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  • metal cowboy January 21, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    WEileen,

    You’ve missed the thrust of my statement – I’m not defending Adam’s actions, his judgement etc. What I was trying to say is that we need to keep pushing the issues whether Sam is mayor or someone else.

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  • Curt Dewees January 21, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Comparing Sam Adams to Neil Goldschmidt is comparing apples to oranges. Mayor Goldschmidt was having sex with a 14-year-old and a close family friend.

    On the other hand, Mr. Breedlove was an intern working for a different politician in a different city (Salem) and had no connection to Sam or Sam’s office. It was Mr. Breedlove who first approached Sam Adams and asked him for advice on how to succeed as an openly gay politician. The relationship progressed from there. That does NOT mean Sam was “trolling for jailbait” or a “pederast.”

    As for Amy Ruiz, read today’s Oregonian story about her hiring. I can imagine a plausible scenario in which Amy’s [former] editor at the Mercury assigned her to write a story about the so-called “Sam Adams sex scandal” and her refusing to write a such a story, because of her [correct] assessment that this story was based on rumor and innuendo and not newsworthy. Naturally, her refusal to follow orders from her editor would be a career-ender at the Mercury–maybe not enough to get her fired, but certainly enough to rule out any future pay raises or promotions.

    Given these circumstances, of course Ms. Ruiz would seek a better job. Of course she would jump at the chance to work for someone whom she respected and admired. That doesn’t mean she was hired to “shut her up” or as a payoff for refusing to write the “sex scandal” story.

    I still strongly support Mayor Sam Adams 100?”% and urge him to stay in office. I am also inclined to see the hiring of Amy Ruiz in a very positive light. I encourage others to keep their eyes open to this possibility as well.

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  • MaTa January 21, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    KEN:

    No, not when the relations were within such a power dynamic (mentor or student/teacher thing), coupled with the lying and clumsy cover-up AND sweet jobs later given to those in-the-know to help keep them quiet and the whole thing under wraps. It’s all such a cliche’ storyline, I swear I have seen this film before as an after school special or something – even down to the young guy temptation with the porn-star name.

    Also, the “voyeuristic feeding frenzy” happens to not only encompass just about every local media source at this point, calling for him to resign, but negative national AND international attention, as well.

    Sam’s done. . .it’s painfully obvious, he fed right into the stereotypes of the rabid attack dogs of the right were just waiting for. I can so easily imagine the Rush/O’Reilly/Karl Roves of the world rubbing their greasy palms together in delight – they so needed a rallying point to get going again and they couldn’t have written this storyline much better, themselves.

    We’ve all seen this re-run, over and over which makes it all the more surreal that all of this is happening, yet again and to a man who had such potential. The only thing left to wonder at this point, is when Sam resigns, who will be the “stand by your man” partner sightly behind him and to his side with the pained expression on his/her face while the execution of career via cameras commences.

    🙁

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  • MaTa January 21, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Comparing Sam Adams to Neil Goldschmidt is comparing apples to oranges. Mayor Goldschmidt was having sex with a 14-year-old and a close family friend. I personally wasn’t comparing them per se – I stated that Nigel Jaquiss bringing Sam’s activities to our attention won a Pulitzer for previous exposure of a “similar situation” (i.e. inappropriate relations coupled with the power differential) because previous posters were ridiculing the source as being unworthy somehow. Winning a Pulitzer is a pretty impressive credential, IMHO.

    On the other hand, Mr. Breedlove was an intern working for a different politician in a different city (Salem) and had no connection to Sam or Sam’s office. It was Mr. Breedlove who first approached Sam Adams and asked him for advice on how to succeed as an openly gay politician. The relationship progressed from there. That does NOT mean Sam was “trolling for jailbait” or a “pederast.” Not in my opinion, but in the opinion of more mainstream folks, especially in the “red states” – OH yes. However, in MY opinion, his actions makes Sam incredibly lacking in judgment, coupled with poor impulse control. Then the whole lying / cover up thing? Yuck. . ..

    As for Amy Ruiz, read today’s Oregonian story about her hiring. Oh, I will. . ..can’t wait to see what the “explanation” on that “coincidence” will be. Also, you missed the sweet leasing agent job that Beau scored at the Hyatt (with no prior experience), using Sam as a “reference” – another awkward “coincidence”, perhaps?

    This whole thing stinks – the errors in judgment, the cover up, the setting back of so much that could have been. What a let-down. . .. . .

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  • Hart January 22, 2009 at 1:07 am

    Hey, MaTa, it’s called a band wagon. How’s your seat on it?

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  • wsbob January 22, 2009 at 1:33 am

    Hart #94, “…their personal preferences in regard to attraction.” is Adams and Breedloves own business as far as I’m concerned. It’s no particular concern of mine if they’re attracted to each other, and ordinarily, I don’t think anyone else would have been concerned about or have had much of an interest in the attraction either.

    That is, except for the fact that these two guys let an understandable attraction for each other blow up into an extremely disruptive issue for a city of many thousands of people. They let their ensuing relationship, whatever kind it was or is still, turn into a major political scandal.

    Adams-Breedlove could have done things just a bit differently, and their entire relationship would have likely have been mostly a non-issue for the public. Done just a little differently, they might have been able to present to the city and beyond, an in some quarters, carefully watched, but commendable example of a relationship between two people of controversial age difference. Aren’t these two guys able to understand that?

    Instead, these guys sabotaged themselves, and in doing so, might just have sabotaged much good that is hoped to happen for the city. Colorfully descriptive imagery aside, it’s for having done this that they disgust me.

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  • Hart January 22, 2009 at 1:52 am

    I don’t see how “they let an attraction for each other blow up into a disruptive issue for the city”. It would be people like you have have done the blowing up. It’s still a non-issue to me.

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  • MaTa January 22, 2009 at 2:04 am

    HART – nice, childish cheap shot there.

    I don’t like what’s going on and I have been a HUGE supporter of Sam since the Vera Katz days. I feel horribly let down, as obviously much of Portland (and elsewhere) does and I am just calling it as I see it and from what I am reading in local, national, and international press.

    It’s called reality, guy – politics in this country is a rough and tumble affair and one better know the game to be a player.

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  • MaTa January 22, 2009 at 2:28 am

    HART

    See, what you don’t get is that Adams’ activities might be forgivable or even a non-issue to you or me, but it’s very clearly not to a LOT of people.

    All those people that may have felt uncomfortable with the him being gay or more left than they would normally vote for, or whatever but did so anyways – BAM, now alienated.

    Also, the right wing and religious nutters that (mostly) held their tongue in public discourse about they many awful stereotypes many of them believe in with gays, in regards to Adams – BAM, just vindicated and reinforced (in their eyes).

    Again, it’s not so much Adams’ original actions but the lies and the cover up, thereafter, that really ruins it all for so many. If he would have just stood up from the start of the rumors and told the truth, I bet he would have still won and been able to move on.

    It’s total egg on the face of people like me that just last week was gushing to my middle America, right leaning parents as a great example of a progressive, green minded, and gay mayor that I was so proud of having voted for (the rare (mainstream) politician I REALLY felt good voting for. It’s the same guy that I even sporadically ventured into other local news forums and kept telling the rabid-anti Adams’ posters to shut up and wait and see what good he does for the city, to stop their hateful (gay, liberal, green) stereotyping.

    Oh man. . . .now, the disappointment knowing so much was just set back and so many jerks stereotypes were just reinforced in such a big way.

    I was just soooo looking forward to the 1-2 punch of Adams and Obama to dispel years of angst built up from the previous administrations’ incompetence and I am sure I am not the only one. And now all this. . . . .

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  • Hart January 22, 2009 at 2:50 am

    You feel let down because of what? Did you have some emotional investment in him not sleeping with an 18 year old? How does sleeping with an 18 year let anybody down? How does lying about it let anyone down? I could make up any number of lies about my sex life regardless of my profession and it wouldn’t let anybody down because it’s NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

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  • Maculsay January 22, 2009 at 6:03 am

    Paul Tay for Mayor!
    Naked bicyclists everywhere!

    Depending upon wind chill.

    Integrity means so many different things to so many people, and changes over the course of one’s life.

    If he resigns, hope that future similar situations take a different, more defensible approach. This includes silent single-digit media communication techniques.

    Keep riding. Respect others opinions.

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  • Anonymous January 22, 2009 at 6:25 am

    I don’t recall Sam calling into question any of the facts presented in the Willamette Week article.

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  • David Anderson January 22, 2009 at 7:59 am

    After the initial shock and sadness of hearing the news, I think people need to take a collective breath and relax for awhile before jumping to knee jerk resignations. Disappointed? Yes. But, resign? No. There isn’t anyone out there who hasn’t crossed a line of morality or decency at one point in time in their life. So, let’s get off our high horses and get on with the rest of our lives already.

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  • Ron H January 22, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Off topic, perhaps, but this all gets me wondering why our society gets all worked up over sex with people under 18 and above 16 and yet those same young people can and frequently are tried in a court of law as a adults for a whole host of alleged crimes. With respect to sex they’re deemed innocent and impressionable children. And with respect to certain criminal activities they’re considered scheming and dangerous adults. Are they adults or children? I’m confused.

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  • billinpdx88 January 22, 2009 at 10:38 am

    So really, I don’t think that the sex thing is a big deal. Who cares? All Sam had to do at the outset was say it’s no one’s business. Jeez, Portland isn’t a city in the bible belt!

    And it’s not just lying but the extent of the lies.

    Sam’s lie is beyond the pale. He not only lied, but launched a PR campaign to support his lie. Which means that he involved his staff and close associates in his lying. That is a complete violation of their trust and says a lot about his integrity that he would do this to the people who work for him.

    On top of that, what’s the deal with Amy Ruiz who admits that she isn’t qualified for her job in Sam’s office? I’d like to see the resumes of the other people who applied for that job. And then he makes a call to get Beau, a restaurant worker, a cushy job in an upscale Pearl District condo.

    And finally, I was a monetary contributor to Sam’s political campaigns as commissioner and mayor. So does that mean that *my* money got used in his lying? That pisses me off!

    Resign Sam!

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  • Anonymous January 22, 2009 at 10:42 am

    Did your crossing the morality line assist you in gaining elected office?

    Did you get others to cross that line with you to gain elected office?

    Did you hurt others chances of gaining/maintaining political office through crossing the line?

    Did you cross the line and vocally defend your crossing the line, as well as sending out press releases extolling your crossing the line?

    Did you cross the line and use a real issue such as homophobia to hide your crossing the line?

    Did you cross the line and possibly give someone a job to hide your crossing the line?

    We all make mistakes, but this was a calculated cover-up.

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  • Stefan January 22, 2009 at 10:55 am

    I still support Sam and hope you do as well. Either way, I encourage you to let him know how you feel, tell him not to resign or to bow out.

    Call his office at: (503)823-4120
    or email him: Samadams@ci.portland.or.us

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  • Paul Tay January 22, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Maculsay, #128, WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT?! Hey, with Salacious Sam nailin’ Barely Legal Beau, what’s a bunch of NEKKID cyclists on Burnside rolling a bunch of signs: MAUS 4 Mayor?!!

    Don’t look now, but, SUMTHIN’ ’bout to hit da fan in Tulsa!

    I’m soooooo outta here! Cya in a few!

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  • a.O January 22, 2009 at 10:57 am

    The anonymous Sam-haters are getting pretty old. We get it – you’ve come out of the woodwork to express your moral outrage to all the godless liberals. Now please go back to Oregonlive. Thanks.

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  • matthew January 22, 2009 at 11:05 am

    I hope he can show a little grace and responisbility for his actions and step down. As much as Johnathan lauds him as our shining light and champion of environmental and transportation issues we must consider the two things he’s done to negate all his positives. He’s a liar. He’s admitted this. Period. He is a pedophile. And in a little comic cliche’ it was with an intern. Also along the lines of cliche’ and stereotyping he is gay and had sex with a minor. Plays right into those that say gay’s are a threat to our children. Sure he states they waited until the kid was 18 but I for one am not naive’ enough to believe that drivle. Canceling his speaking engagement at PSU on ethics was a sad irony and shows his credibility on the topic. Everyone make mistakes and everyone tells lies of some kind. And if they show contrition for their actions forgivness is in order. He is a public servant and is held to a higher standard of course. And it is rightly so. This whole incident displays his lack of respect and thoughtlesness for the citizenry, the law, the young man involved and himself.

    I turn the soapbox over to you……

    Matthew, dnwtn vancouver

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  • Sasha Mace January 22, 2009 at 11:06 am

    MaTa – excellent comments and sadly true. Whether you voted for or against Sam Adams, the damage here is centered around the ethical damage that his repeated lies do, to all of us.

    I personally can not in good conscience support an elected leader who was unable to grasp the ethical problems you outlined (or rather the consequences) until outed by a newspaper.

    There is no joy to be had in this matter. Sam’s resignation is the only course of action I can accept from him. He has illustrated that while he may be a good technocrat, his ethical standards exhibit the poorest form of leadership.

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  • Anonymous January 22, 2009 at 11:24 am

    a.O.

    It’s not Sam hating. It’s looking at the entire situation.

    Had he lied and left it at that, well, that could be considered an error in judgment based on being asked an embarrassing question at a point in time.

    But the on going scheming and cover up have to be called into question.

    Is there an ethical side to this, going from mentoring a 17 year old to sleeping with an 18 year old. There’s a gray area on that one depending on how you view a power differential in this case.

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  • Lt. Billiam Esquire III January 22, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Breedlove!!! A picture of Bayard Rustin is what I plan to bring to City Hall today at 5:30. HOpe to see you all there..

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  • Brad January 22, 2009 at 11:38 am

    The vultures are already circling City Hall and his resignation is inevitable. The press doesn’t support him, the gay community no longer backs him, and a handful of cycling devotees cannot stop this avalanche.

    It is all over. Channel your energies into getting a pro bike / pro green / progressive replacement immediately or perpare yourself for a great deal of frustration. This isn’t an episode of “The West Wing” or your high school civics class.

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  • Hart January 22, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Calm down, Brad.

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  • Mr DeJerk January 22, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    It’s outrageous that people care so much about this. Seriously, politicians lie all the time, betraying their voters and their offices. It only becomes a deal when it has something to do with their sexual lives, or with another aspect of their private affairs.

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  • geezer January 22, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    #99 Channel 6 did a huge expose tonight with a professional vocal analyst who said it was his opinion Adams is lying about waiting for Beau be 18 to fill his pot hole. This guy has 30 years experience developing a lie detection technique using vocal analysis with 95% accuracy. He has imperical (sic) scientific evidence

    What do they have lined up for tonight, a phrenologist?

    A “science” that produces opinions is not science.

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  • a.O January 22, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    OK, so people want us to believe that, if Adams had lied about something non-sexual, let’s say a criminal conviction in which he stole something or for DUI, nobody would care that he lied about it and tried to cover it up during the election? Seriously?

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  • caryebye January 22, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Rally tomorrow at 5:30 pm see below. Check http://www.samisstillmymayor.blogspot.com/ for current news.

    It’s not true that nothing can be done, or that the gay people don’t support him. IF you go over to the just out blog, the majority of people don’t agree with the 4 people on the editorial who publicly asked Sam to Resign.

    On the Portland Mercury Blog there is also a poll, that shows more support than not. go to http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2009/01/22/samscandalgate_is_the_tide_tu
    —————————

    Rally in Support of Sam Adams, Mayor of Portland

    Please note that the date and time have changed from the earlier announcement.

    When: Friday, January 23th, 5:30pm
    Where: Portland City Hall
    Who: Sam Adams supporters who feel that his two decades of committed service to the city of Portland by far outweigh his honesty about the details of his (legal and consensual) sex life. Our trust is not broken because he made a mistake when cornered with an inappropriate question.

    Join us.

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  • djkenny January 22, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    I cannot help but remove sex with a consenting adult from a person’s ability to lead and all the other aspects that make up that person we voted for. How do we know the next mayor will not have some fatal flaw?

    Everyone has their “stuff”…if Sam’s is lying about something unrelated to how “Portland works”, I am able to let go. At least give him a chance. If he continued to try and hide it after more evidence made it clear he originally lied….well, I might change my mind.

    I try and put myself in his place. Would I have been truthful about the relations? Really, I cannot say for sure. I consider myself honest, but I also think it is no-one’s-business who I slept with, intern or not. Just be a good mayor and serve the people.

    What can I say, I like Sam. I like so much about him, I dont want to be so mixed up with his sex life…I want to see what he can do for PDX. It kind of makes me think about how we had all this uproar about Clinton and his whole scandle. There was talks of impeachment. Then you have Bush who for the love of God and all that is Holy committed so many crimes and shameful, horrid decisions, and mouth dropping lies… and he remained in office. We have an odd country.

    I totally have Sam’s back. People make mistakes. I do not consider this one to be grounds for denying all the excellent attributes this man has to offer us.

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  • Matthew Denton January 22, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    a.O. #145
    “OK, so people want us to believe that, if Adams had lied about something non-sexual, let’s say a criminal conviction in which he stole something or for DUI, nobody would care that he lied about it and tried to cover it up during the election? Seriously?”

    WTF? Are you seriously comparing consensual sex between adults be the same thing as drunk driving, or stealing?

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  • geezer January 22, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    #137 Matthew, dnwtn vancouver

    So he’s not actually your mayor then?

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  • Anonymous January 22, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Is this how you want Portland to work?

    You lie.
    You destroy a competitors career with the lie.
    You get others to perpetuate the lie.
    You declare homophobia to cover the lie.
    You get elected mayor.

    This is not how I want Portland to work.

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  • Rixtir January 22, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Sam has admitted that there was never a mentor/mentee relationship, that it was just part of the lie.

    You may hate that he lied about his relationship with Breedlove, but for everybody talking about the “power differential” between mentor and mentee, you’re going to have to find something else to hang your argument on.

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  • Rixtir January 22, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Mr DeJerk
    January 22nd, 2009 12:21 143
    It’s outrageous that people care so much about this. Seriously, politicians lie all the time, betraying their voters and their offices. It only becomes a deal when it has something to do with their sexual lives, or with another aspect of their private affairs.

    $7 million spent to investigate a lie about a BJ.

    Not one thin dime spent to investigate a lie about WMDs.

    That about sums it all up.

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  • junixrose January 22, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    What makes me so sick is that this is only news because Sam is gay. Had he slept with a 17 year old girl he would have been patted on the back, not even slapped on the wrist.

    For those of you who pretend to be outraged because he lied, what about the fact that he confessed? Even the Catholic church would forgive him after that. Instead you find unsupported allegations and use those as some sort of defense for ingrained homophobia.

    On top of that find one person who can say they have never lied and I will point out to you their latest lie.

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  • Anonymous January 22, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Rixtir,

    So if Sam was not a mentor he must have been grooming Breedlove for the sexual relationship.

    That makes it all better!!

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  • Sasha Mace January 22, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    djkenny,

    While I would like to agree with you, his actions really do reflect on his overall decision making. To me it shows a willingness to self-justify bending ethics rules in order to further his own career. The potential for this type of behavior to do great public harm, for a man in his leadership position, is very real.

    Even if his intentions are good, and his cause just, you can not overlook the means. If the means are themselves unethical then he’s capable of continuing that behavior and fooling us all a second time.

    That is not acceptable for Mayor. People can make the argument that people “lie all the time” particularly politicians. But the second credo that follows it, just like putting your hand in the cookie-jar is “don’t get caught”.

    Sam has been caught, to the detriment of us all. If we value ethical behavior in our leaders, we have to demand better leadership. If Sam is to learn his lesson, he should re-dedicate himself to service and if he’s the real deal we won’t have heard the last from him.

    But his current position is untenable. He does have something to prove now — that he can win an election while telling the truth.

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  • Diogo January 22, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Eileen,

    I don’t like that but I’m not naive enough to believe anything will change just because Adams will be forced to resign. I think that this mentality will only work for the benefit of the conservatives and moralists out there.

    I’m fine about Sam Adams lying about his sexual life because it doesn’t matter, and I understand that in a country full of reactionary people he has to lie about that or he may as well not even enter politics.

    Besides, beware of where you place your outrage against politicians lying. Keep in mind that the choice about which will be uncovered and publicized are made by people with political interests, not by someone who necessarily cares about lies.

    I see this as missplaced morality. Let’s get outraged about people lying about WMD not about lying about their sexual life. Did the Oregonian call for Bush resignation because he lied about WMD?

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  • GLV January 22, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Italics closed.

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  • Rixtir January 22, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Anonymous, 154:

    That would only be true if Sam were pursuing a relationship with Breedlove, rather than the other way around.

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  • Steven M. January 22, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    I can’t believe this is news. I would have lied too.

    I can’t believe the reaction of the Editor. I thought you were a bit more mild-mannered than this.

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  • Rixtir January 22, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    It’s my belief that (legal) sex between consenting adults is a private matter, and not a proper subject for public discourse; therefore, I don’t believe that we have any reasonable expectation of forthright responses to improper questions, or to whispering campaigns designed to bring those improper questions into the public sphere.

    Nevertheless, I will concede the following points:

    1) I generally agree with the points that A.O. and others have made regarding the ethics of lying, and in particular, the ethics of public office-holders lying.

    2) Assuming the best, that Breedlove pursued Sam but that Sam did not become involved with Breedlove until after his 18th birthday, it’s apparent that Sam himself believed that there was something not quite proper about his relationship with Breedlove. Thus, he concealed the true nature of his relationship with Breedlove by concocting a “mentoring” story, and got involved with Breedlove despite his own apparent doubts about the propriety of the relationship, and against the repeated advice of his staff. In the best light possible, Sam’s behavior reveals a shocking lack of judgment in someone who should have known better than to date somebody he would have to concoct cover stories about.

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  • BicycleMike January 22, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    I’m the first one to say that I really don’t care what anyone does in the bedroom, it’s not my business. On the other hand I and and a great many other people are soooo sick of lying pols, lying pols that are involved in sex issues no less. I’m not calling for his resignation by any means but here is the lesson, don’t lie to the people, we’ll smoke you out. In the end it’s not my business who the Mayor is having sex with but when your asked point blank and you look your constituents in the eye and lie… come on, just say “it’s not the public’s business who I sleep with.”

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  • Brad January 22, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    So if I get an executive job touting my Harvard MBA and my experience as a senior marketing officer at WalMart but a background check after my hire indicates that I only earned a G.E.D. and that I was merely a door greeter at a WalMart store, do I get to keep that job since everyone lies and pads their resume?

    No one got harmed. Well, that one candidate for the job that I claimed was a violent alcoholic with a gun fetish kinda got screwed but I really wanted that huge salary and company car so that justifies it. Besides, I’ve had some really great ideas that are already profitable and I’m pretty popular in the executive dining room.

    What’s really important here is my job performance and not what I did to get the gig. The other employees and job seekers should just get over it and trust me.

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  • billinpdx88 January 22, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Lying is one thing. But manipulating other people into furthering the lie is a whole new matter.

    Sam manipulated other people to advance *his* lie.

    That is not ok!

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  • a.O January 22, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    @ #148: Come on, Matthew. I’m not comparing DUI to consensual sex, obviously.

    I’m saying that people keep repeating the mantra that we shouldn’t care who people have sex with. I agree. For the last goddamn time, it’s not about the sex. We care because it was a lie to influence an election.

    I’m posing the hypothetical: IF Adams had tried to cover up (lies + asking others to lie + accusing others of misconduct) a DUI or some other thing widely seen as “shameful,” (i.e., that he thought might influence votes) to win the election, would you care?

    I think you have to answer yes. So I think that shows this isn’t about sex. It’s about covering up facts to win an election.

    Again, (and I won’t say this again, I promise), if you don’t demand leaders wit integrity, then you don’t deserve them.

    Finally, this thing sucks for everyone, for three reasons: (1) We’ve already lost the momentum for change at the local level; (2) No one we replace Adams with will regain that momentum, as far as I can see; and (3) as Rixter points out (# 152), $7M to investigate a BJ and jack to investigate lies to start a war. The system is obviously f*cked.

    Worst of all is the opportunity Adams has given to all these anonymous jackballs pretending to be morally outraged when really they’ve just found a convenient excuse to scream louder about having a progressive gay mayor.

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  • peejay January 22, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Not defending Sam, but – and this is a big but – every newspaper that is calling for Mr Adams to resign, please remind me if you ever called for the resignation, arrest, and prosecution of Mr Bush and his gang of criminals for the slightly more serious offenses of abuse of power, torture, lying about cause of war, murder, spying on us, gross incompetence, the destruction of a great American city (New Orleans) through neglect, allowing 9/11 through negligence, etc. The least of his crimes are far greater than the worst that we can imagine happened in the situation with our mayor.

    Everyone knows that I am not Sam’s biggest supporter, but SHAME SHAME SHAME on the hypocrisy here!

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  • Mike January 22, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    “Why is it OK for reporters to ask politicians about their sex lives in the first place?”

    See; Bill of Rights, First Amendment.

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  • joe January 22, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    he may be a borderline pederast, but he is OUR borderline pederast.

    don’t resign, Sam. Stick it out. if it is the will of the people to boot you from office fine, but, dammit, don’t quit.

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  • Brian Johnson January 22, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    This is just so stupid.

    So instead of doing his job, he had to apologize for his human failing.

    “Ironically, as he faced the barrage of questions and cameras yesterday, he was supposed to be testifying in front of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. Adams was there to try and influence Congress to invest economic stimulus money in something other than new highways and roads.”

    What a bunch of crap. Where was the firestorm and calls for resignation when President Bush lied about WMD’s in Iraq? That seems a little more serious than some ill-advised consensual sex.

    Blah blah you who is without sin may cast the first stone.

    Jeesh.

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  • billinpdx88 January 22, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    #166 – Mike –

    The original allegations was that Sam Adams was having sex with a minor; which is illegal. It’s perfectly ok for reporters to ask a politician if he/she is violating the law.

    The politician may lie of course. It’s not ok for a politician to manipulate others to further that lie.

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  • Matthew Denton January 22, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    a.O. No, it was pretty obvious you were comparing consensual sex between two adults to theft or DUIs.

    And in your rebuttal, you did it again.

    Try to find an example of something that we might care about, but 1) isn’t illegal and 2) isn’t really any of our business. Like, if he had had cancer 10 years ago. Certainly, if he had had it last year, that would be one thing, (we need a healthy mayor, and people did vote against McCain for health reasons,) but…

    (And sorry about the italics. The software really should close open tags between comments.)

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  • Hart January 22, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    I was RIDING MY BIKE downtown today, and there was a small group protesting in front of City Hall with signs that read: Resign Now!

    There was one individual who I will refer to as The Lunatic who was drawing the attention of everybody for several blocks with his literal screams of: “You f*Çk¡ng pedophile! You f*Çk™¡ing pervert! You should be hanged!!”

    I will assume that he was, like the rest of you anti-Sam Adams folks here are, projecting some deep seeded anger from your past, possibly some sort of abuse at the hands of somebody older, perhaps somebody you thought you could trust.

    And you should be ashamed at yourselves to project your personal anger toward Sam Adams. It is totally inappropriate.

    Your willingness to join a witch hunt over something that is completely none of your business, let alone illegal, shows nothing but your own immaturity and preoccupation with the sexual affairs of others.

    Grow up, Portland.

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  • matthew January 22, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Geezer, no he is not my mayor. I did contribute to his campain though…. and I would like a refund. Also Clark county is the 2nd highest income tax revenue generating county for the state of Oregon. I regulary cycle to PDX and use MAX with my bike as well. No I do not live in Portland but us folks across the river certainly have much at stake in Portland politics. It affects my pocketbook as well as my neighborhood. I live less than 1/2 mile from I-5 and the proposed light rail extention terminus locations. If you are inferring that I have no reason to involve myself with the politics on the other side of the Columbia you would do better to explain your position.

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  • a.O January 22, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    @ #170: No Matthew, cancer doesn’t work. It has to be something that many people see as unseemly. You must admit that Adams’ actions before the cover up are seen that way by many. And in fact that is the very reason he lied about it in the first place!

    So what’s the best analogy? You tell me. Find some behavior *you* consider creepy or boorish or weird or inappropriate or whatever. Then assume Adams knows you think this even though he agrees that it’s none of your business – bit he lies to you anyway to ensure he keeps your vote. Then tell me if that bothers you.

    Answer “No” if you want. Just don’t presume to tell me what my answer should be.

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  • steve January 22, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    The original allegation, you know the one he has already admitted to lying about, was that he was poking an underage boy.

    That is a perfectly relevant question, particularly since he was in fact, poking said boy, apparently the day he turned 18.

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  • Rixtir January 22, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    #174: apparently the day he turned 18.

    Er, no.

    Strange crowd; the truth matters, but facts don’t.

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  • steve January 22, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    The fact that I don’t enjoy my leaders being lying, corrupt, pudgy pederasts, is no reason to abstain from outlandish exaggerations and hyperbole.

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  • Rixtir January 22, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    If you care so much about integrity, Steve, then why alter the facts to fit your argument?

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  • steve January 22, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    I don’t give a piss about integrity Rixtir. Feel better now?

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  • Rixtir January 22, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Well, if you don’t give a piss about integrity, what exactly is it you’re upset about ?

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  • steve January 22, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    I am not upset at all. You seem to be a touch upset, however. I think this is one of the most hilarious things that has happened in years.

    I hope Sam has as much trouble finding work in politics as Beau Breedlove will have. It is only fitting, as he has screwed that kids future up pretty good.

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  • Jonathan Maus (Editor) January 22, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Steve and Rixtir.. please bring this back on topic and be cautious of too much petty back and forth.

    thanks.

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  • Rixtir January 22, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Sorry, Jonathan, but you’ve got wing-nut trolls altering the facts of the case to support their diatribes against Sam.

    No back and forth intended, I just thought it was important to address what are now apparently intentional distortions of the facts.

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  • steve January 22, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Sam said he waited until he was 18 rixtir. You are quibbling over the most minute of details. This is not a courtroom. This entire issue is ridiculous and absurd. Trying to be logical and rational about ridiculous absurdities, is quite frankly, ridiculously absurd.

    I will let you have the last word as I know it important to you!~

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  • Hart January 22, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    During the last season of his show, public figure Jerry Seinfeld started dating a girl who was sixteen. Where were all you pedophilia patriots then? Why weren’t you protesting in front of KGW demanding the show be taken off the air?

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  • Eileen January 22, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    The point is NOT that he had sex with an 18 year old. The point is that he lied and that I don’t believe him that he didn’t have sex with a 17 year old. Not that there is that much difference because having lived 17 years and 364 days is not a hell of a lot different than 18 years and 1 day now is it? There IS a character flaw in a 42 year old man who is still interested in 18 year olds. Having taught high school, I feel safe to say that.

    But that is beside the point because you’re right, I don’t give a flying fig about his sex life with a legally consenting adult. I do care that he lied and I care about the string of lies and cover ups that followed. I care about the fact that there was evidence of how his politics functions through lies and cover-ups before he was even elected and that his methods were ignored in favor of his results. I feel very strongly that the ends do NOT justify the means. Just a few months ago I had a moment of epiphany where I realized that if everyone had to wear a readerboard on their neck that prevented them from lying, there would be no wars. We are all human, we all make mistakes, by covering our mistakes and lying about them, it makes everyone else think they’re the only ones who think that way or do that thing and then we all start lying and covering up. I know this is simplistically over-dramatized, but I really think it’s true. Before we can ever hope for a better, safer, more livable world, we HAVE to start telling the truth and we have to STOP accepting lies or trying to rationalize it in our leaders. Do you REALLY think that this is the only thing he’s lied about or that he won’t lie for convenience sake in the future? Quit saying that all politicians lie. Stop accepting it. Be outraged and re-claim the virtue of honesty which at one time was the most revered trait in a politician. Remember the story of George Washington cutting down the Cherry tree? Or Abraham Lincoln walking a mile to return a penny? How many of you would walk a block to return $20?

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  • matthew January 22, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    @Eileen 185. RIGHT ON…. (sorry for yelling) Seems the virtue of honesty is lost on politicians and many of us citizenry as well. Big or small a lie its a lie. I know i’m guilty. And you are spot on about the character flaw. As a 42 yo male I think his actions are creepy. To put it very, very kindly.

    Matthew (137&172)

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  • Matthew Denton January 22, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    matthew #172
    “Also Clark county is the 2nd highest income tax revenue generating county for the state of Oregon.”

    No, it is 8th. And since most of the income tax revenue is spent on education and you guys get in-state tuition at our colleges, I’m not exactly sure why you bring this up…

    Are you paying property taxes? Some of that money go towards the city. Water bills? City. But income taxes? Those go to the state, and you get the benefits too.

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  • GlowBoy January 23, 2009 at 12:03 am

    Who cares if he lied? He didn’t lie under oath, he lied to the media about a matter that was none of their business. He should be commended for that.

    If it turns out he did have sex with Breedlove when he was under 18, or that there was quid pro quo in the hiring of Amy Ruiz, then I’ll help lead the angry mob and demand prosecution.

    But so far we do NOT know those things to be true. There’s no reason for Sam to resign, and the anti-gay rhetoric that laces much of the online “outrage” against him exposes it for the bigotry that it is.

    (I should also point out that in the majority of states, the age of consent is either 16 or 17: in most of America we wouldn’t even need to have this discussion. But even with Oregon’s age of consent at 18, right now we don’t have any real evidence that the law was broken).

    Sam is highly capable and qualified, and we have an incredible amount of important work for him to do. I have a feeling that when the dust settles he still has strong support from actual Portland voters, so let’s all calm down and let him get to work while the investigation continues.

    At least for now, I stand by my Sam:
    http://wriconsult.com/graphics/StandByYourSAM.jpg

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  • Hart January 23, 2009 at 12:11 am

    I thought that was one of the perks of passing 36: that you get to legally boink somebody half you age.

    Edgar Alan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis both married 13 year old girls and we consider them to be national heroes. I think this really is about a double standard for homosexuals.

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  • Matthew Denton January 23, 2009 at 12:23 am

    a.O. #173:
    “You must admit that Adams’ actions before the cover up are seen that way by many. And in fact that is the very reason he lied about it in the first place! So what’s the best analogy? You tell me. Find some behavior *you* consider creepy or boorish or weird or inappropriate or whatever.”

    Don’t stand behind what “many people” might think, stand behind what YOU think. Do YOU think his behavior is creepy, boorish, weird, or inappropriate? If you do, then it is about the sex, not about the lying. The fact that you didn’t like my cancer analogy, (what if it was prostate cancer or some other place that people just don’t want to talk about,) implies that that might indeed be your problem. And that is fine, you are welcome to be upset about him sleeping with an 18 year old, just be honest about it, like you want Sam to be honest with you…

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  • Anonymous January 23, 2009 at 5:55 am

    Glowboy,

    He didn’t lie to the media, he lied to the voters.

    Then he got others to lie. Then he used the media to perpetuate the lie at every chance he could. Then he started a smear campaign based on lies.

    This was a concerted cover-up. All he had to do was own up to the lie or shut up, but he didn’t. He made it about bigotry and homophobia, he conspired with others to influence an election.

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  • GlowBoy January 23, 2009 at 7:53 am

    Anon, yes lying to the media is the same thing as lying to the voters. And SO WHAT?

    He lied to us about his personal, consensual, and so far as we know now LEGAL sex life. It’s none of our business, and he was perfectly justified in doing it. I don’t approve of Adams’ sexual behavior or the cover-up, but I fail to see how this rises to the level of demanding resignation.

    Take your self-righteousness back to whatever small town in Alabama or Oklahoma you came from (or, more likely, keep it there since I bet you don’t even live in Portland).

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  • Anonymous January 23, 2009 at 8:40 am

    Glowboy,

    I didn’t call for his resignation I called you on your statement that he lied to the media.

    Instead of dealing with the issue you feel the need to make personal attacks based on a persons geographic location. But just for your edification I am a born and bred Portlander.

    But it seems you are entitle to your bigotry and ignorance because it supports Sam but those who disagree with you aren’t.

    Pot meet kettle. You have as much credibility as Sam does at this point.

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  • Rixtir January 23, 2009 at 10:18 am

    “Anonymous,” #191:

    You’re over-reaching….

    He didn’t lie to the media, he lied to the voters.

    Bob Ball, a political rival and reserve police officer started a whispering campaign that Adams was sexually involved with Breedlove, and that the relationship may have begun when Breedlove was a minor.

    Leonard approached Adams and asked if he was involved in a relationship with a minor. Adams said he was not. Randy Leonard went public– on his own– and accused Bob Ball of initiating a smear campaign.

    Adam’s response to Leonard’s question was truthful (as far as we know), and Leonard’s accusations regarding Ball were accurate.

    Then he got others to lie.

    Breedlove approached Adams with a request to meet to discuss Sam’s experience being an openly gay politician. After meeting with Breedlove, Adams believed that the stated purpose of the meeting was mostly a pretext for Breedlove to pursue a relationship with Adams.

    (And if Adams is telling the truth, he informed Breedlove that he could not become involved with a minor. Later– a few weeks after Breedlove’s 18th birthday– Breedlove initiated a short-lived relationship with Adams.).

    Adams and Breedlove both hid the true nature of their relationship by calling it a “mentorship.” When Ball’s accusations became public, Adams arranged for his political consultant to coach Breedlove on talking with the press.

    Then he used the media to perpetuate the lie at every chance he could. Then he started a smear campaign based on lies.

    Once the media picked the story up, Adams told the media–and the public, via an pen letter to the public– that he was the target of a smear campaign. This was factually accurate then, and is still factually accurate today. The only lie Adams “perpetuated” via the media was that his relationship with Breedlove was a mentoring relationship, and not romantic.

    This was a concerted cover-up. All he had to do was own up to the lie or shut up, but he didn’t. He made it about bigotry and homophobia, he conspired with others to influence an election.

    Bob Ball started a whispering campaign, and once that whispering campaign became public knowledge, Adams responded publicly with this comment:

    “I didn’t get into public life to allow my instinct to help others to be snuffed out by fear of sleazy misrepresentations or political manipulation.”

    That statement was an accurate representation of Bob Ball’s whispering campaign.

    In the same ope letter, Adams did conceal the true nature of his relationship with Breedlove with half-truths:

    (1) “I will not dignify the substance of this smear by repeating it – if you read the accounts you will see there is no foundation to it. The reason is simple: it is untrue.”

    (2) “I have in the past, and I will in the future, respond to people who reach out to me for help and advice. This is especially true when it comes to young people.”

    (3) “I understand the need for good judgment, and I keep within the bounds of propriety — as I did in this case.”

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  • Anonymous January 23, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Rixtir,

    Did Adams not have Breedlove lie?

    Did Adams not have Breedlove coached on how to lie to the press?

    I don’t see Sam denying any of the facts presented in WW.

    As for the whisper campaign those rumors were around the gay community for years before Ball said a thing.

    Adams covered up his lies and used his lies to save himself politically and to destroy a political foe in the same way in which he criticized that opponent.

    Sam put himself out there as more ethical and better than Ball, and he went deeper and dirtier into the gutter in his response to the situation.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. Don’t hold Adams up as anything other than he has shown himself to be, a political opportunist.

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  • Hart January 23, 2009 at 11:21 am

    What Adams did was none of Ball’s business. Sam had every right to deny anything he wanted, as it was his right. And considering the way you Sarah Palin people have reacted so far, it’s no wonder he had to lie to protect himself.

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  • Rixtir January 23, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Anonymous, #195:

    “Did Adams not have Breedlove lie?”

    Who knows? Certainly not you or I. You speak i ceratinties about things you weren’t privy to. Did Adams tell Breedlove to lie? Or did they both agree that they should keep their relationship quiet. I wasn’t in the bedroom, so you tell me.

    “Did Adams not have Breedlove coached on how to lie to the press?”

    Adams had Breedlove coached on how to talk to the press. If it went further– if he was coached on how to lie to the press– that would implicate Adams’ political consultant in a deliberate campaign to lie to the press. If you’re going to make that accusation, you should have– oh, i don’t know, evidence?– to support your claim.

    “I don’t see Adams denhying any of the facts presenetd in WW.”

    No, he hasn’t, and in fact, he has confirmed what was presented in WW. YOUR version of what happened, however, is conjecture based on the WW story, rather than an accurate recounting of the WW story.

    “As for the whisper campaign those rumors were around the gay community for years before Ball said a thing.”

    If that’s true, it doesn’t change the fact that when would-be candidate Ball whispered those rumors into the ears of Adams’ political supporters– on the laughable pretext that he was concerned that a law might have been broken– it became a smear campaign by a political rival.

    “Adams covered up his lies…”

    That doesn’t even make sense…

    “..and used his lies to save himself politically and to destroy a political foe in the same way in which he criticized that opponent.”

    Adams was asked if he was involved in a sexual relationship with a minor. He said he was not. As far as we know, that was not a lie, it was the truth.

    Adams said his political rival was engaged in a smear campaign. That was not a lie, it was the truth.

    Adams said his relationship with Breedlove was a mentoring relationship. That was a lie.

    “Sam put himself out there as more ethical and better than Ball, and he went deeper and dirtier into the gutter in his response to the situation.”

    You’re still over-reaching. Sam said Ball was engaged in a smear campaign against Adams. That was an accurate representation of Ball’s tactics. In contrast, Sam did not engage in a smear campaign against Ball. Your characterization of Adams’ behavior as “deeper and dirtier ino the gutter” is a laughable misrepresentation of what actually happened.

    “Two wrongs don’t make a right. Don’t hold Adams up as anything other than he has shown himself to be, a political opportunist.”

    Ball started a whispering campaign against a political rival– a campaign that tapped into negative gay stereotypes. THAT is political opportunism. In response, Sam said he was being smeared. THAT is not political opportunism. He also concealed the true nature of his relationship with Breedlove, and that is not political opportunism. It may be true that he concealed the true nature of his relationship with Breedlove with the intent of protecting his political career, but again, not political opportunism.

    In the worst light, if Sam is lying and Breedlove was 17 when they began a sexual relationship, Sam broke the law, and if he did, he should pay the appropriate penalty for that. The fact remains that there is no evidence, beyond the fact that Breedlove first approached Sam when he was 17, to support that conclusion.

    In the best light, Sam concealed the true nature of his relationship with a consenting adult– and the fact is, he had every right to keep his private life private, and we have no right to pry into a legal relationship between consenting adults.

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  • Anonymous January 23, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    It is political opportunism when Adams claims bigotry and homophobia as the reason for Balls accusations, because it makes him a victim when in fact this was a fallacy and was just Adams playing as much the dirty politician as everyone else.

    You keep holding up Sam as being better and cleaner than the rest when he isn’t.

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  • matthew January 23, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    @Matthew#187

    I believe you are mistaken. I will concede I heard it at a neighborhood association meeting discussing light rail terminus options. Even if you are correct you must admit Clark co. generates a sizable amout of tax revenue for Oregon. As a 42 y/o working professional I doubt I will benefit from any reciprocity for a college education. When I attended PSU in the 80’s I remember sitting in line overnight to apply for it since only 1400 students were allowed reciprocity. And this is an agreement between state colleges and not tax based. I am a homeowner but hardly see why that would matter. We contribute substantially to your tax base but do not recieve the benefits of this to the measure you do.

    Seems we’ve gotten a bit far afield of the subject so I will redirect. My point that you’ve so obviously missed is that Portland and Vancouver have strong economic, political and social ties. I would venture to say most Vancouver residents know more about Portland’s politics that Seattle’s. We are as much a part of Portland as siameese twins. Don’t like that analogy? How about we are your bastard cousin? Your plumber’s butt? My apologies…. seems Gresham has that title already.

    To put a point on it, is my opinion invalid because I live across the river?

    The gentleman from Tulsa also gets this bent aimed at him as well. He’s a cyclist and from what I gather a bike activist too. Does he not deserve voice? Out of simple respect?

    I cycle regularly in portland but because I live across the river is my opinion invalid?

    I donated to Sam’s mayoral campaign but because I live across the river is my opinion invalid?

    If so please send me a refund…..

    Matthew dntwn Vancoolver

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  • Brad January 23, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Rixtir – we have every right to pry. The First Amendment gives citizens and the press to ask any question they like whether appropriate or not. Adams also enjoys the right to refuse to answer or challenge any such questions.

    The end result is that Adams chose to answer the question with a lie. If sources are correct, he and his handlers continued to perpetuate that lie for political gain. That is the issue. Not the sex, the young man’s age, or their sexual orientation.

    Is Bob Ball a dirtbag? It appears so. If he is found to have slandered Adams then Sam should sue him for all he is worth. But that still does not grant any legitimacy to Adams’ campaign of deception. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Adams could have taken a different tack. He could have refused to answer. He could have stated that sordid personal rumors have no place in a political campaign. He could have asked the press to present actual evidence (which they did not have) of these allegations. He could have also (and I am assuming that what he claims is indeed true) told us that he did have a relationship with Mr. Breedlove that was briefly romantic and that they remain friends. Mr. Breedlove could have corroborated those facts if called upon. This would have quickly become a non-issue and dismissed as a pathetic attempt by Mr. Ball to attack a rival.

    What was the political risk? Homophobes and religious moralists were not voting for him to begin with. His core constituency would have stayed loyal and he likely would have garnered a majority vote. Worst case? He faced a November run-off against Sho Dozono that he still would have easily won.

    That is the tragedy. Adams didn’t stop to think and made a horrible choice out of panic. He further compounded his poor choice with his clumsy attempts to cover it up. That’s why we can no longer trust his judgement or take him at face value.

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  • Rixtir January 23, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Do you have any links to news sources in which Adams claimed that? Or is that another example of over-reaching?

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  • Rixtir January 23, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    My comment at 201 was directed to #198

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  • Rixtir January 23, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Brad, 200:

    “Rixtir – we have every right to pry. The First Amendment gives citizens and the press to ask any question they like whether appropriate or not. Adams also enjoys the right to refuse to answer or challenge any such questions.”

    Yes, you’re right on both points. But you seem to believe that any question, no matter how improper, is deserving of a response that, at the least, is not a lie. However, whereas we may have a right to ask improper questions, we do not have a right to honest responses to those improper questions.

    And let’s get back to the facts here– Randy Leonard approached Sam Adams and asked if he was involved in a sexual relationship with a minor. Adams replied that he was not involved in a sexual relationship with a minor. That was true when he was asked, and assuming that Adams did not become involved with Breedlove until after his 18th birthday, it was true for the entirety of Adams’ relationship with Breedlove. There was no lie in response to the question.

    Randy leonard then publicly accused Bob Ball of initiating a smear campaign against Adams. That was factually accurate.

    Adams also accused an unnamed detractor of initiating a smear campaign against him. That was also factually accurate.

    The only lie was Adams’ claim that his relationship with Breedlove was a mentoring relationship. Could he have handled it better, along the lines you have suggested? Sure. But the fact remains that his personal life, if not immoral or illegal, is really none our business.

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  • Hart January 23, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Why are Americans obsessed with the sex lives of Democrats?

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  • Rixtir January 23, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    BTW, I understand and sympathize with the concerns as expressed by A.O. and Eileen regarding the “creepiness” of a 42-year old going to a young man’s 18th birthday party, and becoming sexually involved with him a few weeks later. And I can understand that they may want to know that a politician is engaging in behavior that they consider creepy before they make their voting decisions.

    That concern and interest does not negate Adams’ right to privacy, however, in the exercise of the public’s own rights of inquiry.

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  • steve January 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Sam can have his privacy back when we are no longer paying his salary.

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  • Rixtir January 23, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    There’s so much foaming at the mouth over at wingnut central

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=123258051828980400

    that some of the loose wingnuts have floated away to bikeportland.

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  • Eileen January 23, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    I totally resent the implication that those who are calling for Sam’s resignation are “Sarah Palin types”. Aside from being a white woman and having borne children, I have nothing in common with her.

    I am so sad to see so many people supporting Sam’s “right” to lie. He did have a right to refrain from comment and if that is what he had done, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now. But the young man he took advantage of also has the right to share his story. And yes, whatever the law may say, a 42 year old man is taking advantage of an 18 year old boy. As would be the case if any of the genders were switched. Unless the 42 year old man is actually on the same emotional level as the 18 year old in which case I REALLY don’t want him to be mayor. But I think all of us who are past the age of 30 can safely agree that 18 is not exactly “all grown up” no matter what the laws, (specifically written to allow us to send them to war) may say.

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  • steve January 23, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    I think it is clear Adams has lost the ability to lead. Look at what the police union is saying-

    “Also on Friday, the head of the Portland Police Association posted an open letter to Adams on the organization’s website accusing the mayor of violating the city Code of Ethics. Sergeant Scott Westerman previously called for Adams to resign on Tuesday.

    In the letter, Westerman apologized to Adams for not talking to him first, then accused him of violating three sections of the code. They include: using the powers of his office for personal benefit; engaging in behavior that gives the appearance of impropriety; and preventing voters from making an informed choice on the candidates in the race for mayor.”

    Thanks for the link rixie. I enjoy how you have devolved into calling people names, quite dignified of you really.

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  • Wyatt Baldwin January 23, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    I wonder why those who feel so strongly about the age gap don’t take their case to the Legislature. It’s not like this is a special case in that regard. And debating it on this site probably isn’t going to change the law OR anyone’s behavior.

    I don’t see how you can make a blanket statement about what is or isn’t proper with regard to age differences. It really depends on the people involved, doesn’t it? And circumstances, experience, upbringing, etc? People of the SAME age can be radically different in terms of maturity, even if they’re over thirty.

    If we’re really going to be fair about this (the general issue of age and maturity differences with regard to consent), I’d say we need to institute some kind of government Maturity Rating and then base consent on that.

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  • GlowBoy January 24, 2009 at 1:06 am

    Anonymous (#193), you’re absolutely right that I was way over the line in making attacks based on geography. I let the late hour get to me and I was wrong to do it.

    But you’re wrong when you say that I failed to address your comments. I addressed them directly in pointing out that lying to the media is the same as lying to the voters, and that Adams was right to do it because it’s none of our business.

    Not only were you wrong in saying I failed to address your point, you failed to address MY point.

    So how ’bout it? How is this our business? Could you write a clear, logical explanation of why the private sex life of an elected official is our business? By the way, “because we pay his salary” is not a clear, logical explanation. My employer has no right to inquire about my sex life. And if they did, you bet your ass I’d lie about it.

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  • a.O January 24, 2009 at 8:41 am

    Matthew (# 190), my good friend Rixter, and others: I have been clear all along that I don’t care about the sex. I’m no moralist and I would happily hook up with a hot 18-year old if I weren’t attached (and I were lucky enough). But it is an obvious fact that many Portland voters do care. It’s equally obvious that Adams new this and attemped to deceive these people for that reason. So ask yourself how you would feel if he had lied about something you care about.

    Intentionally deceiving someone else to their own personal detriment (lost vote) and your own gain (political office) is fraud, plain and simple.

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  • Anonymous January 24, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Glowboy,

    It is not about the sex. I can see everyone of us lying when placed in the position of answering a personal question about their sex life. It’s a reflex reaction, we all have it. We want to protect ourselves and will lie in the heat of the moment.

    The problem is in the post lie actions. The concerted effort to cover up the lie and in the process impacting an election. Sam passed the holy sh!t stage when he plotted and planned to have Breedlove lie. To have Breedlove coached by his staff on how to handle the press. By turning this into an issue about discrimination and homophobia. By creating a smear campaign of his own. By making sure he presented the lies to each and every media outlet as the truth.

    All he had to do was apologize for the lie. Set the record straight on what actually happened and let the voters decide. I’m sure he would have still been elected mayor.

    Instead he lowered himself in the muck and mire of the political gutter. He did to others what he accused them of doing.

    In the future is he going to shoot from the lip and then perform another cover up?

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  • Hart January 24, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Breedlove would have been coached on how to handle the press regardless of whether Adams admitted the truth or not.

    Bottom line, the question should never have been asked. For spending 16 months prying into the sex life of the mayor the Willamette Weak has about as much journalistic integrity as Fox News.

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  • Hart January 24, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    And yes, whatever the law may say, a 42 year old man is taking advantage of an 18 year old boy.

    When an 18 year old serves on a jury, is the legal system taking advantage of him? When an 18 year old joins the Coast Guard, is Homeland Security taking advantage of him? When an 18 year old votes for the first time, is the electoral collage taking advantage of him? I’m pretty sure we all had the capacity to control whom we were sleeping with at the age of 18.

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  • td January 24, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    If there truly were a position called Professional Apologist, there would be a lot less under-employed bike riders out there.

    The REAL news is coming… wait for it. In the meantime, get back to your lycra.

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  • Rixtir January 24, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Anonymous, #213: Sam passed the holy sh!t stage when he plotted and planned to have Breedlove lie.

    The story that Sam “plotted and planned to have Breedlove lie” is a story invented in the minds of those who are calling for Sam’s resignation.

    Yes, it’s possible that Sam asked Breedlove to say Sam was his mentor. It’s also possible that Breedlove suggested it. It’s also possible they had the “what do we tell people?” talk that many people who hook up have, and they both came up with the mentor story.

    Each of these possibilities is supported by what we know of the facts– assuming, that is, that Breedlove ever did lie about the nature of the relationship.

    There only way anybody can arrive at any certainty about what happened in private is if one of the two parties talks about it, and the other confirms it. But so far, the only thing that has been said is that Sam’s story about Breedlove being his mentee was a lie– and Breedlove hasn’t denied Sam’s admission, so we can assume that to be true. Everything else you “know” to be true about the Breedlove being told to lie is just a product of some fervent imaginations.

    Hart, #214: Breedlove would have been coached on how to handle the press regardless of whether Adams admitted the truth or not.

    Exactly.

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  • Hart January 24, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Great points, Rixtir. I sure hope the rest of the city will start using their brains before it’s too late.

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  • Rixtir January 24, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    #216– Correction:

    I just read in the Portland Tribune that Sam Adams admitted asking Breedlove to lie about the relationship.

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  • steve January 24, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    That should be more than a correction, Rix. I think the word you are looking for is ‘apology’.

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  • Rixtir January 24, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    And I think you need to wipe the flecks of foam from your mouth.

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  • steve January 24, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Sorry, you have just been beating that point into the ground for a few days, now you are ‘correcting’ yourself.

    No wonder you like Sam so much, you have quite a bit in common!

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  • Hart January 25, 2009 at 2:35 am

    Somebody post me a link to the Oregon state Law that says you have to tell the truth about your private sex life to the same corporate media that excused the Bush Crime Family’s war crimes.

    Cuz if you can’t, you’re a mutha fuckin’ hypocrite.

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  • Anonymous January 25, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Rixtir,

    Breedlove being asked to lie was in the original WW article.

    The same article and facts that Sam did not refute.

    Feel free to support Sam but do it from a position of knowledge and awareness of the facts and not from one of ignorance.

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