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Lawsuit says City of Portland was negligent in Greeley Ave crash

Posted by on August 31st, 2018 at 8:19 am

The crash scene on the I-5 on-ramp.
(Photos: Portland Police Bureau)

A notorious stretch of North Greeley Avenue where it crosses over an on-ramp to Interstate 5 is the subject of a lawsuit filed yesterday by a Portland law firm.

The blue Surly ridden by plaintiff Robert Smith.

Thomas, Coon, Newton & Frost lists three defendants — the City of Portland, the State of Oregon and the driver, Brandon Swiger — and asks for $1.36 million on behalf of their client, Robert Smith.

Smith sustained life-altering injuries as a result of being hit by Swiger while bicycling on Greeley on December 21st, 2017. Smith’s medical expenses to treat a traumatic brain injury, multiple bone fractures, collapsed lungs, and injuries to internal organs have totaled over $359,229.

The complaint (below) filed yesterday in Multnomah County makes claims of negligence against Swiger for his careless driving and against the city and state for their failure to manage and maintain the roadway.

p-Complaint- Robert Smith-CONFORMED

According to the police report, Swiger was driving southbound on Greeley on his way home from work at about 1:45 pm in his Honda Crossover (a mid-sized SUV) prior to the crash. There are two driving lanes at this location; the left lane curves eastward toward Interstate Avenue and the right lane goes onto the I-5 ramp. According to witnesses and Swiger’s own statement to the responding police officer, Swiger had moved into the left lane prior to the merge to pass another driver and then moved back into the right lane just before making impact with Smith’s body.

“In addition to this location being a known safety hazard, there was plenty of notice to the responsible authority that it should be fixed or somebody was going to get hurt, so was pretty frustrating when it actually happened.”
— Ray Thomas, attorney for Robert Smith

The police report states that Swiger estimated his speed to be around 55-60 mph. The posted speed limit is 45 mph.

One witness who saw the collision told police that Swiger and another driver both passed her, “As if we were standing still.” Another witness said Swiger had been “tailgating” her prior to changing lanes. As a result of his behavior, Swiger was issued a citation for Careless Driving with Serious Injury to a Vulnerable Road User (ORS 811.135(3)).

Swiger’s careless driving was amplified by an intersection with well-known design flaws that have been flagged as a hot-spot for collisions and close-calls for years.

Greeley is a busy, four-lane “freeway” (a term for the road used by a Portland Bureau of Transportation staff person in a meeting last year) where people using bicycles are required to merge from a relatively narrow curbside lane across a lane where people often drive 50-60 mph. The crossing is not signalized or marked except for a small caution sign off to the side of the road. In February 2016, in a report on a separate serious injury collision at this same location, I wrote that this is a completely unacceptable design for a bikeway.

The design is so dangerous, PBOT wants to shift the bikeway to the other side of the road.


In February of 2017, 10 months before Smith was hit, PBOT announced plans to build a physically protected, bi-directional multi-use path on the east side of Greeley. However, that project was delayed in July 2017 due to a contracting technicality and the timeline for completion was pushed back to this past spring. In June of this year PBOT announced another delay and the project is now expected to be built in spring 2019.

The lawsuit says PBOT and ODOT (the agencies have overlapping jurisdiction of the roads at this location) are negligent for six reasons:

a. Designing the intersection so as to require a cyclist in the southeast bound bike lane to cross a freeway entrance ramp where traffic routinely travels at 55-60 miles per hour;
b. Establishing a bike lane on N. Greeley Avenue southeast bound, knowing that bike lane would cross the freeway on-ramp;
c. Failing to provide a means of traveling on the southeast bound bike lane on N. Greeley Avenue without crossing the freeway on-ramp;
d. Failing to provide a bike lane on the northeast side of N. Greeley Avenue to accommodate both northwest and southeast-bound bicycle traffic;
e. Failing to warn approaching traffic of the bike lane crossing; and
f. Failing to close the bike lane until a safe design could be implemented

Smith’s attorneys are asking for $358,229 to pay his medical expenses and $1 million in non-economic damages.

In an interview yesterday, attorney Ray Thomas, a rider himself and well-known cycling advocate, said, “In addition to this location being a known safety hazard, there was plenty of notice to the responsible authority that it should be fixed or somebody was going to get hurt, so it was pretty frustrating when it actually happened.”

To win in court, Thomas and his partner on the lawsuit, Cynthia Newton, are likely to face an attempt by attorneys for the city and state to dismiss the case at the outset. They’re likely to argue their clients can’t be held liable by way of discretionary immunity, as outlined in ORS 30.265(6)(c). That statute says a public body is immune from liability for, “Any claim based upon the performance of or the failure to exercise or perform a discretionary function or duty, whether or not the discretion is abused.”

According to the Oregon Court of Appeals (John v. City of Gresham, 2007) discretionary immunity applies to policy decisions, “that involve a balancing of competing policy considerations in determining the public interest.”

Put another way, government agencies make decisions about how to allocate funds and design and maintain their roads, and the law protects them from being sued for making bad decisions. But there are exceptions. Among the reasons a judge might conclude that immunity does not apply are: if a public body decides on a course of action then fails to follow it; if their actions were based merely on fact (like whether or not a design conforms to national standards) and not a conscious judgment of policy; if they fail to respond to changing conditions; or if they fail to follow an established maintenance program.

Recent cases where PBOT and ODOT have been sued for negligence did not go to trial and resulted in settlements. In February 2017 the State of Oregon and the City of Portland agreed to pay the family of Martin Greenough $23,000 for their role in his death that resulted from an intoxicated driver hitting him in a bike lane gap on North Lombard. And in March of 2017, Portland paid a settlement of $525,000 to a man who was seriously injured while biking on a dangerous section of North Interstate Ave.

Win or lose, Thomas believes lawsuits are an effective way to hold government agencies accountable.

“I think these design and maintenance cases are important,” he shared with me earlier this week. “And if things go as they should with this case, what will happen is that the next time the city decides to dither on something, they’ll say, ‘Remember what happened on Greeley? We put it off and a guy got nailed just like everybody said was going to happen, and we got sued. So maybe this time we should expedite the process. We have a safer design, let’s expedite the process.’

— Jonathan Maus: (503) 706-8804, @jonathan_maus on Twitter and

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  • Matthew in PDX August 31, 2018 at 9:00 am

    N Greeley is so dangerous that I will not cycle on it, and am loathe to drive on it. When I do drive on it, I usually set my cruise control to 45 mph, so that I don’t speed. Speeding is so prevalent, that any driver can subconsciously speed up to keep up with traffic. I don’t care if everyone is passing me, I drive the speed limit. Even at 45 mph, that road is very dangerous for cyclists in the unprotected cycle lanes. There are numerous large UPS trucks heading to/from the UPS depot in Swan Island and, as noted, most drivers think that it is appropriate to travel 55 – 60 mph on that stretch, even though there are bike lanes on both sides of the road. Its just a horrible stretch of road that is best avoided if possible.

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    • soren August 31, 2018 at 10:38 am

      I find it unfortunate and strange that you are reluctant to drive Greeley because you view it as unsafe but still set your cruise control to 45 mph. Has it occurred to you that at this setting you are almost certainly violating the speed limit occasionally?

      If more people drove well below the speed limit, Greeley would be safer for everyone.

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      • Middle of the Road Guy August 31, 2018 at 10:46 am

        I find it strange that you lecture other people on traffic infractions when you yourself have admitted to running stop signs and ignore other traffic laws that don’t work for you.

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        • soren August 31, 2018 at 12:44 pm

          does idaho stopping injure, maim, or kill people more than not idaho stopping?

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      • John August 31, 2018 at 12:15 pm

        Not sure why one would encourage others to drive ‘below the speed limit.’ It is also difficult to understand, if this avenue is so dangerous, why do some continue to bike down it? Seems counter-intuitive and the opposite of personal responsibility.

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        • John Lascurettes August 31, 2018 at 8:51 pm

          Y U trollin’ bro?

          “Not sure why one would encourage others to drive ‘below the speed limit.’”

          Because that is quite literally the law, to drive at or below the speed limit based on conditions.

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        • El Biciclero September 3, 2018 at 9:12 am

          “…why do some continue to bike down it? Seems counter-intuitive and the opposite of personal responsibility.”

          Ah, yes. Why would seemingly otherwise rational adults feel like they had any reason to travel along a roadway where the “Big Boys” are exercising their constitutional right to swagger with their 4000-lb. outsized toys? How dare everyone feel like the public roadways were available to them? Don’t smaller people know that it is their personal responsibility to stay out of the way of larger people? Otherwise, anything that happens to them is of their own doing?

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      • Matthew in PDX August 31, 2018 at 1:03 pm

        Most of my driving excursions onto N Greeley are during the evening rush hour, so 45 mph is something of a pipe dream, it’s more like <20 mph for most of the trip from I-5 exit 303. I might do 45 mph for a quarter mile, but then I hit the traffic. Usually the cyclists are passing the motorized traffic. Your point is noted and I'll cut my speed in future.

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        • jeff September 2, 2018 at 9:24 am

          you use cruise control for a 1/4 mile? I’m starting to think you don’t actually own a car…or aren’t that experienced of a driver.

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  • billyjo August 31, 2018 at 9:17 am

    I just don’t see how the city can be responsible when it is known to everyone how dangerous this area is.

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    • Rebecca August 31, 2018 at 9:32 am

      I just don’t see how the city can delay in implementing basic safety improvements to a marked bikeway when it is known to everyone how dangerous this area is.

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    • John Lascurettes August 31, 2018 at 9:40 am

      Really? If you were taking this route for the first time and had used a PBOT bike map to plan your trip through here, would you know just how dangerous that design is? Do you not remember the guy that was new to town and was killed on NE Lombard/Portland Hwy because of the dropped bike lane — but it was shown as a primary bike route on PBOT bike maps? The story is mentioned right here toward the end of this story.

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    • Jonathan Maus (Publisher/Editor) August 31, 2018 at 9:45 am

      I strongly disagree with your comment. How can you assume “everyone” knows this?

      Do you recall that Martin Greenough was riding home from work for the very first time in a neighborhood he just moved too on a street that was marked as a recommended route on the city’s official bike map — when he found himself in a very dangerous bike lane gap and pinch point and was hit and killed as a result?

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      • John Lascurettes August 31, 2018 at 10:03 am

        Also, the cyclist, Smith, took due care to keep himself safe to the best of his ability. What else could he have done? But because the road design encourages and allows for speeding at the mixing zone, the driver, Swiger, was indeed speeding and taking erratic actions. Maybe Swiger knew it was a dangerous intersection, maybe he didn’t. It’s irrelevant. The point is the facilities encourage and allow for the behavior and the vulnerable user was taking due care — but he still was not protected enough. And the city and the state knew it and have known it while kicking the can down the road repeatedly on a planned fix.

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    • q September 2, 2018 at 4:26 pm

      I don’t think EVERYONE knows, but maybe the City could take out all the striping, signage and lighting along the whole street. Then it would be impossible for anyone to claim they didn’t know how dangerous it was, and the City would be lawsuit-proof. Win-win situation.

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  • Chris I August 31, 2018 at 9:27 am

    The externalized societal costs of driving in action here. We need a state law requiring $500,000 minimum liability coverage for all drivers. Our existing minimums are not enough. This lowers the cost of driving for drivers, and foots the rest of us with the bill for their carnage.

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    • soren August 31, 2018 at 10:44 am

      If our society valued transportation equity, liability coverage would likely be even higher than $500,000 and would be indexed to inflation. Sadly, we live in a society where people who drive often fail to pay for the injuries, maimings, and deaths they cause.

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    • Middle of the Road Guy August 31, 2018 at 10:47 am

      I doubt drivers really have that on their mind when opting to behave irrationally.

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      • El Biciclero September 3, 2018 at 10:36 am

        It doesn’t need to be on their minds, as long as it is on their insurance cards. If the amount of required coverage actually covered the costs of damage and injury, there would be less need for lawsuits (maybe that’s a bad thing), and insurance would cost a lot more. Yes, that would make driving legally more difficult for the underpaid, but I don’t see how we can continue to subsidize such a destructive activity without subsidizing the costs of the destruction it causes. Insurance companies could work out how to offer discounts for “good” drivers, if they wanted to save their customers some money, but if those who perpetrate the harm can’t cover the costs of it, where does that leave those that are harmed through no fault of their own? Many would rather just change the meaning of “fault”, but if we applied the same victim-blaming semantics used in vehicular incidents to other kinds of physical harm, there would be a lot more outcry. Why is driving its own unique little bubble of sanctioned irresponsibility?

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    • Matthew in PDX August 31, 2018 at 10:50 am

      I think that your proposed minimum is too low. If a car with four occupants collides with a minivan with seven occupants, there are potentially eleven injured lives. Emergency medical care for eleven people is quickly going to pass $500,000. Of course, if all those people were correctly wearing seatbelts, the vehicles were in roadworthy condition with airbags etc., injuries would be mitigated.

      I really think that unless we are going to adopt something like New Zealand’s Accident Compensation Corporation (no fault compensation for all injuries), the minimum insurance requirements need to be set in the millions of dollars.

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      • Chris I August 31, 2018 at 11:00 am

        That sounds like a great idea. Personally, I carry a $1 million umbrella policy. $1 million probably is a better starting point.

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  • dan August 31, 2018 at 9:49 am

    Earlier this summer, when they were doing construction on the I-5 entrance ramp, the contractor had placed barricades to force bicycles into the lane with motor vehicles! This despite the fact there was clearly room to allow bicycles past where the barriers were set up before the actual construction zone.

    I e-mailed the city and got zero response. So, while I think that waiting for someone to suffer life-changing injuries (or death) and then suing the pants off of PDOT is a shitty way to get improved facilities, the city certainly deserves to get their pants sued off, and if this is the only way to get them to care, then so be it. I look at so much of the bike infrastructure in town and say “really? Would you ever ask a motorist to go out of their way like this / put themselves at risk like this?”

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    • fiets503 August 31, 2018 at 6:56 pm

      Dan, it was ODOT coontractors, not PBOT folks that put the barrels in the bike travel lane.

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  • Dan Forester August 31, 2018 at 10:16 am

    I know this route, and this specific hazard, very well. Best wishes for his recovery, and I hope he gets every penny.

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  • ricochet August 31, 2018 at 10:44 am

    yo J.Maus- the driver who killed Martin Greenough was intoxicated, but not drunk. The article you link to was also corrected to reflect this.

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  • Ken S August 31, 2018 at 11:14 am

    This intersection is insane and, sadly, fits into the usual layout of ODOT roads with bike lanes.
    I’ve seen dozens of roads where there’s a bike lane having to cross an onramp and the default design seems to be
    *put the crossing far down the ramp, where cars are building up speed
    *give the cars zero opportunity or incentive to yield to cyclists
    *force cyclists to slow, make awkward turns to cross the onramp at a 90 degree angle, OR
    *force cyclists to ride diagonally across the auto lane, making their time of exposure as long as possible, with their backs to the oncoming traffic.

    I’ve ridden Greeley a few times and if there’s not a long enough gap in traffic to safely move across the auto lane, you just have to pull up and stop, then wait however long for a gap in traffic to then sprint across, from a dead stop. Could be a few seconds, could be 15 minutes. Who knows!

    I agree with the sentiments of other commenters:
    City, County, State, and the driver all need to get sued into the ground.
    If it’s not motivating enough that “it’s their job” or “the right thing to do” maybe they’ll respond to an extremely painful monetary penalty.

    I hope Robert recovers. It’s pretty remarkable he survived getting hit at 60mph.

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    • David Hampsten August 31, 2018 at 1:03 pm

      It looks like he had a high-quality rear wheel that took the brunt of the impact. Judging from the photo, the frame still looks fine. My guess is the driver clipped him on the left side while trying to swerve out of the way at the last second. I’m also guessing the front wheel taco came about when the bike hit the ground after impact.

      Every bicyclists’ greatest fear: getting hit from behind by a fast driver.

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      • El Biciclero September 3, 2018 at 10:50 am

        Reading the list of injuries in the actual complaint makes it sound like he was hit full-on from the left by a car swerving into the exit lane at the last second. Multiple left-side injuries consistent with vehicle impact, and right-side injuries consistent with landing on the pavement. If I were to make a guess from the photo, I would say the car struck the rear wheel in some way that caused the bike to spin counter-clockwise where the rider was then hammered by the front bumper and thrown away from the car onto his right side. Front wheel damage could be from being whipped around into the car’s bumper, or from any amount of post-impact bouncing along.

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  • maxD August 31, 2018 at 11:23 am

    I truly hope that they win this lawsuit and that PBOT will wake up to the reality of Greeley. Their proposal to “fix” Greeley for bikes is totally inadequate and merely swaps one set of dangerous conditions for different dangerous conditions. Meanwhile, their proposed work does NOTHING to address the problem on Greeley: The median speeds are above 55 mph in each direction. At the behest of the freight community (the project is being funded with money earmarked for freight access) PBOT is actually widening lanes to INCREASE speeds. When asked about Vision Zero, PBOT explains that this is not identified as a Vision Zero Project. When asked about the high speeds making it unsafe to drive here, PBOT shrugs. When asked how they will address the myriad shortcomings of 1/3 of the bike route, PBOT says it is not in the scope of the project [FYI, the proposed 2-way bike lane only extends 2/3’s of the length of this new bike route, then it becomes a concrete walkway that is less than 10-feet wide and shared with motorized vehicles servicing Hazelnut Grove, either personal vehicles or dealing with trash pickup/portable toilets. The walkway also will dead-end into the 5-foot bike lane at the bottom of the hill on Interstate where 2-way bike traffic using Greeley will have to share a single curb cut, and southbound users will have to negotiate a curb cut on to a 5-foot bike lane adjacent to traffic coming down a big, steep hill, and possibly merge with bikes/scooters. It is all just so shitty and poorly thought out that one can only conclude that this is a cynical ploy to remove bikes from the road to make space for faster freight driving. I cannot see how this road design meets any safety standards for any user and it has not place in an urban environment. This stretch of Greeley is less than one mile long. Traffic speeds should be reduced to 30 mph, lanes reduced to 10-11 feet, and barrier-protected bike lanes should be on both sides of the road. Instead of a new expensive signal at Going Greeley with added time for a diagonal bike crossing, there should be a new signal to get on to the ramp to 405.

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  • bikeninja August 31, 2018 at 12:21 pm

    I agree that PBOT and ODOT’s days of sacrificing cyclists on the alter of happy motoring needs to come to an end. If they can’t come to this conclusion via logic, and vision then they may have to be sued in to making the right decisions. I am only sad that more good and righteous cyclists will have to be sacrificed to drag the traffic authorities in to the future.

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  • Bald One August 31, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    A bi-directional bike path on this section of Greeley is not a good idea. It will create many new problems for cyclists. This issue in this intersection can be fixed in other ways. The city should not implement their bi-directional bike path on N. Greeley but should instead continue to work on better design solutions and find a way to slow speeding vehicle traffic and prevent dangerous and illegal driving behavior.

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    • paikiala September 5, 2018 at 8:37 am

      What other ways? Solutions with criticisms is best.

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      • maxD September 5, 2018 at 10:48 am

        Idea 1: make the southbound motor vehicle lane an exit only lane. keep the bike lane to the right of that lane, separated by jersey barriers. Instead of the new signal/time at Greeley/Going, add a new signal to turn onto the ramp to I-405. Rebuild this intersection to make it a right tun (not slip lane) onto ramp. Bikes would have a separate phase.
        Idea 2: Close the ramp to I-405 and remove the motor vehicle southbound lane. Swan Islan/freight already has access to I-5/I-405 via Going. Also remove the slip lane/ramp from northbound Going to south bound Greeley. Now there is space for a separated NP Greenway on the west side of Interstate/Greeley that could start at Russell continue under the Going Overpass and follow the base of the bluff and connect to Willamette at the “Dog Bowl” and again at the Waud Bluff Bridge. The proposed separated MUP would remain as proposed, but only for northbound bike traffic.
        Idea 3: Reduce the driving lanes to 11′ to allow the MUP to be 14′-15′ wide to include shy distances and allow passing on the hill. Reduce speed limit to 30 or 35 mph. Design the final third of the proposed MUP bikeway: Add a bollard to prevent vehicles from accessing the path. Widen the path an additional 5′. For southbound bikes, route them down the sidewalk to the curb-separated asphalt under the 405 overpass. Modify the existing curb (remove a section) to allow bikes to merge into the Bike Lane on Interstate.

        Any other ideas?

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      • Bald One September 7, 2018 at 3:06 pm

        1. Bike fly-over on the southbound direction at the I-5 on ramp. Or better, a tunnel for cars!
        2. Widen the road, buffer bike lanes on both sides.
        3. Enforce the speed limit, prevent last second lane changes of cars between the two lanes at the 1-5 on ramp.

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  • David Hampsten August 31, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    Was PBOT negligent for not designing this section correctly for cars going well over the speed limit as they commonly do, or did PBOT in fact correctly design and execute the project for the posted speed limit? The driver was apparently driving intoxicated and well over the speed limit, something no jurisdiction can actually design anything for.

    This case remind me of the one a few years ago on Hawthorne when a young woman was killed by a speeding Saudi Arabian national using the median as a high-speed lane. No city can afford to design, let alone build, for every environment to handle every kind of stupid or insane driver.

    And of course this begs the question of enforcement. Was PPD enforcing the speed limit? Did the producer of the driver’s car have speed governing technology installed?

    The sad reality is that if any huge lawsuit succeeds, PBOT’s bike infrastructure budget will likely get slashed further – $1 million is a lot of money for PBOT – and the car-oriented budget will expand “to make driving safer.”

    Lawsuits kill innovation at public agencies – designers are too scared to try anything new.

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    • 9watts August 31, 2018 at 10:34 pm

      Surely settlement monies don’t come out of PBOT’s operating budget but from their insurance policy, no?

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      • David Hampsten September 1, 2018 at 5:52 pm

        It’s usually an overarching policy for all city agencies. Most successful suits are usually related to police brutality and land use cases gone wrong. At some point somebody’s got to pay. How well behaved has PPB been lately?

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  • SD August 31, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    20 is plenty.
    What is the point of having high speed roads like this in the city?
    The seconds that are saved from driving fast are meaningless when compared to the years of life lost due to high speed collisions.

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  • maxD August 31, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    “Was PBOT negligent for not designing this section correctly for cars going well over the speed limit as they commonly do, or did PBOT in fact correctly design and execute the project for the posted speed limit? The driver was apparently driving intoxicated and well over the speed limit, something no jurisdiction can actually design anything for.”

    I think it would be a gross overstatement to say PBOT “designed” this- the current design is lame retrofit that barely accommodates bikes but does nothing to address the speeding and unsafe driving that is routine here. To say lawsuits stifle creativity seems to fly in the face of experience: PBOT has unveiled plans to “re-design” this stretch of road, but the “re-design” is in reality just a shunting of bikes off the road and a simultaneous widening of traffic lanes. I think a lawsuit could actually prompt PBOT to embrace creativity and address real and known safety issues instead of pandering solely to freight interests.

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  • Caoimhín August 31, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    Several years ago I was riding with my daughter for her first bike ride to her high school. As we approached that crossing, we heard tires screeching behind us as it tried to avoid hitting a biker ahead of us as he crossed that ramp. The biker thought he was clear to cross, as the car had been in the left lane, but just as the biker made his move, the car had switched to the right lane for the ramp at the last second. The car avoided hitting the biker, but with locked wheels, it nearly lost control and almost hit my daughter and me in the bike lane. My daughter got such a scare that has never ridden that route since then.

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    • John Lascurettes August 31, 2018 at 9:02 pm

      Sounds like the jersey barrier wall should be installed for the last 1/8 mile before the onramp between the two auto lanes, just to make sure others can’t pull the move that Swiger did.

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      • Bald One September 1, 2018 at 3:09 pm

        Yes, that’s exactly right. A main issue on this road is southbound drivers speeding and racing up the left lane to the front of the line in the right lane and jumping over at the last minute, right where bikes cross over the right lane.

        Controlling vehicle lane changes for some distance ahead of this spot would be a great and simple fix to one aspect of this road’s problems. Just leave a few spots for bikes to still get across the right lane which is impervious to cars.

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  • pruss2ny August 31, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    any precedent for a municipality, in recognition of what a lawsuit like this portends for future liability costs vs. the large price tag for providing truly safe/separate infrastructure, instead opts to ban bikes on “dangerous” roadways? ie. any roadway where traffic moves > 20mph? …enforcement could be a blind eye, but future liabilities could be sidestepped.

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  • Dave August 31, 2018 at 6:56 pm

    Too bad we don’t just have an automatic assignment of guilt, beyond any appeal, for drivers who are exceeding the speed limit at the time of an assault on another road user. And, let’s get rid of this candyass “accident” language, call these incidents assaults and murders. Let’s start loading the language we use to presume guilt and hopefully stigmatize the drivers involved.

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  • Mark smith August 31, 2018 at 9:49 pm

    What’s it called? Stockholm syndrome? This strode/road/highway is an abomination of horrors in Portland’s back yard. The strode is like the crazy neighbor down the street who invites tweakers to their house for weekend parties. The neighbors turn away their eyes week, after week. Until they find a dead body in the back yard and and the neighbors say “why didn’t we do something?”

    This road has no business. It’s a deadly mess. The road needs to be shrunk down now. It will happen when everyone who reads this post, calls. Or more will be dead.

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  • Mark smith August 31, 2018 at 10:00 pm

    Middle of the Road Guy
    I find it strange that you lecture other people on traffic infractions when you yourself have admitted to running stop signs and ignore other traffic laws that don’t work for you.Recommended 13

    I find it strange that anyone who attempts to discredit others over a minor traffic infraction, obviously has no argument. Can you research the pile of deaths and maiming caused by a bike rolling a stop sign?

    Now, let’s talk about the genocide that is caused by vehicles….

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    • soren September 1, 2018 at 9:01 am

      “genocide that is caused by vehicles….”

      <b<Every year the lives of more than 1.25 million people are cut short as a result of a road traffic crash. Between 20 and 50 million more people suffer non-fatal injuries, with many incurring a disability as a result of their injury.

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  • Mark smith September 3, 2018 at 9:49 am

    Bald One
    A bi-directional bike path on this section of Greeley is not a good idea. It will create many new problems for cyclists. This issue in this intersection can be fixed in other ways. The city should not implement their bi-directional bike path on N. Greeley but should instead continue to work on better design solutions and find a way to slow speeding vehicle traffic and prevent dangerous and illegal driving behavior.Recommended 7

    A wide enough path will serve cyclists fine. Bidirectional paths are everywhere. It’s not the Helter skelter hail Mary you portray.

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    • maxD September 4, 2018 at 9:59 am

      Mark Smith,
      I urge to study the proposed plans befopre dismissing concerns about a 2-directional bikeway:
      The helpful section that PBOT shows only covers 2/3’s of the distance of the route. That section will be 12-feet wide, measured from edge of jersey barrier to edge of pavement. This is, effectively, a 10-foot wide path if you allow a 1-foot shy-distance from the edges. This route is along a fairly long, steep hill. People on bikes going downhill can easily hit speeds of 25-35 mph. People going uphill will vary speeds from 5-15 mph. This path is also intended to be shared with pedestrians. There a lot of joggers in the neighborhood, and there is a permitted homeless camp at the south end, so I expect this be regularly used by peds.

      The final 1/3 of the route is an existing concrete walkway that is slightly less than 10 feet wide with no shoulder/shy distance. This walkway is used by the residents of Hazelnut grove (homeless camp) as a primary access in their cars, bikes and on foot. It also used by contractors to regulalry empty the dumpster and service the portable toilets. Individuals also regularly drive personal vehicles down this walkway to drop off donations. At the south end of the walkway, the proposed 2-way route will join Interstate Ave where people on bikes will make 2 90-degree turn down a single ramp (used by bikes traveling north and south simultaneously). People on bikes heading south will make a hard, 90-degree turn at the bottom of this ramp intoa 5-foot wide bike lane, merging with bikes at the bottom of a hill and adjacent to a motor vehicle lane at the bottom of hill (HIGH SPEEDS HERE!).

      Basically, I think you are off base to dismiss concerns about this 2-way path simply because other 2-way paths work well. This route has not been designed, they are simply rerouting bikes to some unused space and washing their hands of any further responsibility. I have spent some time communicating with PBOT, trying to get them to address these safety concerns. The response? Good ideas, but in the scope of the project, the scope of the project is about freight because the money comes from freight.

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    • Bald One September 5, 2018 at 2:37 pm

      Look, any removal of existing bicycle infrastructure should be carefully and thoroughly vetted. The city has shown time and again that it will abandon written plans and proposals when the actual build comes along, that it has no appreciation for the “little things” in these designs that are of critical importance to daily cyclists (those nagging problem spots that just get built into the bike infra because the project managers and construction crews sometimes have little experience actually navigating and operating bikes and don’t know how to build a thoughtful and useful cycle-friendly curve, curb cut, mixing zone, or where to place a sign post or railing, etc.), and that the city has no plan for any maintenance or improvements to the adjacent approaches that will now become more heavily used (Hazelnut Grove path) as cyclists are forced off the existing bike lane and onto the new bi-directional lanes.

      Furthermore, the 11.5′ – 12′ width mentioned in the plan will be at the widest spot, but the bike path will be defined, in practice, by it’s most narrow and difficult spot, especially given the steep grade, which I fully expect to be a lot less than 10′ in many spots, after the compromises of construction (line and barrier placement) made during in the field are set. Storm drains, failed shoulder pavements, side-road access difficulty, entrance and exit pinch-points, drainage issues, debris, etc. will define this path, not the idealized cross-section of the road they show in the plan. And, you may say I’m complaining about a bunch of minor details, but this is precisely because the city plans to eliminate a very long, very commonly used section of existing bike lane from the road, so they better make certain that what the replace it with is significantly better, along the entire section of the road and its approaches, and not just better at the one spot where they got a law suit thrown at them.

      Lastly, the new plan involves a long section of road that puts high-speed cyclists traveling downhill directly into on-coming high-speed motorists traveling uphill, with just a few feet of air space between them, instead of bikes and trucks traveling the same direction in adjacent lanes, as is current arrangement. This new arrangement will greatly increase the chance that a cyclist is negatively impacted by the forces generated from these speeding trucks – flying debris, buffeting wind, blinding headlamps. As many folks mentioned cars and trucks sometimes approaching 70 mph on this road, and now you will be facing into it, instead of going with it, as you ride between on-coming truck traffic on one side and on-coming bike traffic on the other. This plan is not well thought out and city should make a better effort to find the best solution, here.

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  • Zeppo September 3, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    I regularly ride a loop that takes me from UP down the Waud’s Bluff (?) Trail and over the RR tracks to Swan Island. I visit a business there and then ride on N Basin to N Going and take the narrow on-ramp to Greeley. I ride south on Greeley and say my prayers before hopping over the I-5 on-ramp and continuing to Interstate.

    As many have noted, crossing the I-5 on-ramp is incredibly dangerous. I’ve had what I thought was a long gap in traffic, checked my mirror, waited three seconds and checked again – and the cars were right on top me. Someone mentioned that the only safe way to cross is to stop at the narrowest point, paste yourself against the jersey barrier, and wait for the right moment to skip across the lane from a dead stop.

    The root cause of the problem is speeding traffic on Greeley – some of it going over 70 mph. If you ever cycle on Swan Island at 3pm, you’ll practically be run over by people driving cars and trucks who are in a hurry to get home. They drive as fast as they can on N Basin (four narrow lanes), do a race-track turn to get onto N Going (it really does look like a race-track there, with jersey barriers protecting the bus stop), and then zoom up the hill in the 7-8 lanes that narrow to 6 lanes that cross the RR tracks.

    Amazingly, drivers have been mostly considerate of me as I have crossed the RR bridge, by merging into the two left-hand lanes and giving me the narrow right-hand lane. Also I’ve been surprised by how accommodating many drivers have been on the Greeley on-ramp. The nicest are the commercial big-rig drivers, who could actually squeeze past me but so far none have taken the chance. Maybe they’re on the clock and not worried about the time they are “losing” to follow a cyclist.

    But I’ve noticed that once drivers are on Greeley, all bets are off. It’s like a raceway out there. I would never want to be a cyclist coming DOWN Greeley as cars and trucks come shooting onto Greeley from the N Going on-ramp. You must have to come to a dead stop there, just as you do for the I-5 on-ramp.

    In summary, everything about this roadway says to auto and truck drivers: “You are now free to drive as fast as you want to reach I-5 and get home or deliver your freight or whatever you need to do.” But it’s also an important route for cyclists and we should be able to use it safely also.

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  • q September 3, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    Leaving Swan Island around 3 PM is scary enough DRIVING–total drag race from light to light. I’d guess there are more than a few drivers who’d like to see traffic slowed some on those streets.

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  • BradWagon September 4, 2018 at 9:37 am

    g. Failing to close the auto lane until a safe solution could be implemented.

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  • Bennett Shane September 4, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    This might have been mentioned above somewhere, but taking the sharrowed, super chill bikeway through overlook costs all of 2-3 minutes versus taking Greeley, and actually saves having to ride uphill to get to the interstate intersection, after the dangerous merge where this poor guy got hit. It’s just not worth it, or even neccessary to ride on Greeley. I’m honestly not sure we need a bike path there, when we have interstate and overlook. What would be better would be to have the spiraly-overpass thingy rebuilt to be safer for bikes!!!!

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    • Bennett Shane September 4, 2018 at 3:07 pm

      I guess I wasn’t thinking of people who ride bikes to work on Swan Island. I feel like there aren’t a ton of those folks, but they still deserve better. My comment still applies for anybody who rides to downtown from Arbor Lodge, St J.

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