I was sued for defamation: Here’s what happened next

The only photo I took in the courtoom because I was worried about drawing attention to myself.

When I first heard I was being sued by the subject of one of my stories, I didn’t think it would amount to much. I certainly didn’t think I’d ever find myself squirming in a courtroom bench as my accuser and a judge read through one of my stories word-for-word.

But that’s exactly where I found myself on Friday afternoon as Multnomah County Judge Melvin Oden-Orr considered the merits of case number 19CV47330. A team of four lawyers representing media companies that own The Oregonian, Willamette Week, KATU and others sat on one side of the room and Mark Dickerson — who chose to represent himself — sat on the other.

It all started December 13th when a man knocked on my door and pushed a stack of papers into my wife’s hands. I had been served papers in a lawsuit brought by Dickerson against myself and seven media companies. Dickerson sought $750,000 against each of us for Defamation and Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress.

Here’s the backstory:

Dickerson was involved in a traffic incident in October 2018 where he drove his truck through a protest in downtown Portland and was later arrested for coming into contact with a man in the street. In reporting that story, I wrote that Dickerson purposely drove his truck into another person. I also used the story to share personal commentary about how race-fueled vehicular violence was a growing threat to our community. Dickerson claimed he was innocent, that the protestor jumped into his path (a GoFundMe page set up by his wife Janelle Dickerson said the main was “faking getting hit”), that all the news reports were knowingly false, and that he suffered extensive damage to his professional and personal reputation.

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At Friday’s hearing the legal team was exercising their right to ask the judge to grant a “special motion to strike” the case before it moved into a full jury trial. As part of Oregon’s anti-SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation) statute that aims to protect free speech of journalists, a defendant is granted this right under ORS 31.150 within 30 days of the case being filed.

In order for the case to move to trial, Dickerson had to first convince the judge he had clear evidence of his claims. “Think of me like the bouncer,” Judge Oden-Orr explained to Dickerson at the outset, “And in order to come through, I need to see your I.D. [evidence]”.

It’s important to note that of the eight defendants, only I was singled out by name. That made me uncomfortable from the start. Why go after me personally, instead of my corporation (Pedaltown Media Inc., the owner of the content)? I wondered. This turned out to be an important fact in the case.

The legal strategy of the other media companies was to focus on what’s known as the retraction statute. ORS 31.210 states that for someone to collect damages in a defamation suit, they must first make a request to the outlet to retract the story. In this case, Dickerson never requested a retraction. He claimed he didn’t have to, and that even if he did, the damage to his reputation would have remained. “You can’t unring a bell,” he pleaded to the judge.

The judge agreed with lawyers for the media companies about the retraction issue and granted their motion to strike. But here’s the thing: Turns out the retraction statute doesn’t apply to BikePortland because the language is outdated. Here’s what the statute says (emphasis mine):

“In an action for damages on account of a defamatory statement published or broadcast in a newspaper, magazine, other printed periodical, or by radio, television or motion pictures, the plaintiff shall not recover general damages unless… A correction or retraction is demanded but not published.”

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“Mr. Maus dislikes cars. He hates cars in general. And he’s putting a lot of that on me.”
— Mark Dickerson, plaintiff

Notice how an online-only outlet doesn’t fit that definition? This is a looming problem for Oregon media that needs to be fixed. As an online-only publisher, BikePortland faced added legal risk simply because the statutory language is outdated.

At this point in the hearing, the Judge singled me out (remember, “Jonathan Maus” is the only defendant that’s not a corporation). This is where I started squirming. “Let’s talk about Jonathan Maus,” I recall the judge saying. For the next 20 minutes or so (I don’t recall exactly how long, but it seemed like forever), my lawyer Troy Sexton, the Judge, and Dickerson debated the intent of the words I used in that story.

For Dickerson to make good on his claim of defamation, he had to show that my story had malicious intent.

Sexton defended me by calling on “fair reporting privilege” which is a legal right for reporters to write stories based on official documents (like police statements) and not be held liable for mistakes — or even defamatory statements — in those documents. In the case of my October 2018 story, I relied on the police statement, so I was clear in that regard.

But it was the second part of my story that Dickerson wanted to focus on. Given the context of what Dickerson did, I found it necessary to mix my opinion with the news. “What happened today should not be seen as separate from the growing rhetoric around protestors and their use of the streets,” I wrote. “In today’s emotional political climate where protests are common, older white men feel victimized by a rapidly changing society, and hate toward others feels like it’s at an all-time high, we can’t allow our streets to become even more dangerous because people think it’s justifiable to mow protestors down with their cars.”

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Dickerson singled out that section as proof of malice. He read the “older white men” part and told the judge, “He’s talking specifically about me.”

Sexton disagreed, saying, “Maus doesn’t say, ‘Mr Dickerson’ in the general narrative… It’s a commentary on the use of the streets, it’s not about Mr. Dickerson.”

The judge agreed with Sexton, saying my words didn’t rise to the level of malice.

Dickerson continued to make his case. At one point he said, “Mr. Maus dislikes cars. He hates cars in general. And he’s putting a lot of that on me.”

Sexton deftly turned the argument away from the malice question. He instead made the point that listing my personal name as a defendant was incorrect and that mistake itself was grounds for granting the motion to strike. Known as “publication”, a plaintiff must name the publisher of the defamatory content in question. In this case, Pedaltown Media Inc. is the publisher, not Jonathan Maus.

The judge took a short recess and then came back to say he agreed with Sexton on the publication issue and formally granted the motion to dismiss the case.

We won.

I’m still unsure why exactly Dickerson singled me out in the list of defendants (all I can think of is his internal narrative relies on the false idea that I have a personal beef against him and/or his disdain for me won’t allow him to show me the same respect as more mainstream outlets); but in the end it was a costly mistake.

The case was dismissed by the court “without prejudice” however, which means there’s still a chance Dickerson could appeal or re-work his arguments, find new evidence, and file the same case again. I don’t expect that to happen, but you never know.

Thanks for following along. I’m extremely grateful for the help of all BikePortland financial supporters — especially Scott Kocher at Forum Law Group and the legal team at Motschenbacher & Blattner LLP. It has cost about $8,000 so far to fight this lawsuit and there’s no way I could have done it without your help. Thank you!

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Danny
Danny
4 years ago

I’m glad you prevailed in the case, Jonathan. Dickerson didn’t really have a legal leg to stand on, but that’s really not the point since
SLAPP suits aim to use the legal system to intimidate people and cause them financial pain. I know this well in my non-cyclist persona as an attorney who has spent a decade defending clients from a SLAPP. I hope your motion for attorney fees succeeds!

Evan Manvel
Evan Manvel
4 years ago

I’m happy to say I worked hard to pass Oregon’s anti-SLAPP law in 2001, and it was passed with broad bipartisan support through an R-majority legislature.

Congressman Kurt Schrader (at the time, Oregon Representative) championed it through.

One of my proudest achievements as an advocate.

It’s been amended since then.
https://www.rcfp.org/anti-slapp-guide/oregon/
https://anti-slapp.org/oregon

rain panther
rain panther
4 years ago

Thanks for this clear-eyed retelling. Hopefully this is as close as I ever get to knowing what it’s like to be sued.

q
q
4 years ago

I feel horrible for you that you had to go through that.

Shuppatsu
Shuppatsu
4 years ago

I’m sorry you had to go through this. I hope that you get attorney’s fees.

Becky Jo (Columnist)
4 years ago

Wow. wow. I’m…wow. So much to unpack here….that I’ll just leaved packed up and say I’m so sorry. Wow.

dan
dan
4 years ago

I can’t believe that when Mark Dickerson deliberately chose to drive his truck into another human being, and when the news then accurately quoted the police reports to this effect, Mark Dickerson’s response was to file a lawsuit. I feel like Mark Dickerson, rather than choosing to drive his truck into people and then attempt to sue news media for damages, should instead choose to drive _around_ the people in the street. Having seen the video, that seems simple enough to do, but Mark Dickerson apparently was incapable of accomplishing that that task. Perhaps Mark Dickerson needs to be retested to see if he’s still fit to hold an Oregon driver’s license.

[hi Google!]

Chris I
Chris I
4 years ago
Reply to  dan

The type of person who will knowingly drive their vehicle into a human being to “make a point”, is also the type of person who will jump through logical hoops to justify that sociopathic behavior by playing the victim, filing lawsuits, etc.

Has this guy been on Lars Larson yet?

Middle of the Road Guy
Middle of the Road Guy
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris I

But will they jump backwards?

Todd Boulanger
Todd Boulanger
4 years ago

And I guess PedalTown Media got lucky the case involved multiple publications all with deeper pockets/ public weight…than if PTM got singled out. Now the question is who will make this update at the legislature?!

The Dude
The Dude
4 years ago

“He who represents himself has a fool for a client.”
–Abraham Lincoln

Matthew in PDX
Matthew in PDX
4 years ago
Reply to  The Dude

In all likelihood the plaintiff was self -represented because he could not find a member of the Oregon bar willing to risk his/her license on such a frivolous, vexatious action as this. Either that or every attorney he approached wanted a very large cash retainer upfront, with the plaintiff signing an acknowledgment that the lawsuit will likely fail and, further that the court will likely award defendant attorney fees against the plaintiff.

The real kicker for the plaintiff will come when the high priced attorneys for the other defendants also claim their legal fees. The plaintiff won’t have a penny to light a candle by the time this is all done.

9watts
4 years ago

Since you won, does that mean Dickerson has to pay your legal fees?

9watts
4 years ago
Reply to  9watts

I am going to guess no answer means he did not have to?

q
q
4 years ago

Dickerson’s suing and subsequent courtroom behavior reminds me how people who behave badly will often behave badly again in the same way, removing any doubts anyone may have had about the wrongness of their original behavior.

For instance, you’ll read about the boyfriend who stabs the parents of the girlfriend, after they cautioned her that he has a bad temper. Or the guy who makes a scene in court during his trial for disturbing the peace.

In this case, I see a guy who is unhappy with what he perceives as roadblocks to his happiness (bad press that will damage his reputation this time, protesters in the street the first time) so he aggressively confronts them (suing them now, driving into them before) in an unproductive way that hurts them (disrupting the defendants’ lives now, hitting someone then) and hurts himself (lawsuits thrown out now, getting arrested then).

To me, he’s removed all doubt about the wrongness of his original actions.

S
S
4 years ago

Mark Dickerson could have left it in the past but now Mark Dickerson is rehashing his own old news and now the only thing you see when you Google “Mark Dickerson” is his mug shot and embarrassing articles from four publications. (Try it, google “Mark Dickerson”). Come on, Mark Dickerson, you could have let the internet move on but now we got double the content to remember you by. Mark Dickerson Mark Dickerson Mark Dickerson Mark Dickerson Mark Dickerson

Chris I
Chris I
4 years ago
Reply to  S

I don’t know. Are we sure Mark Dickerson isn’t trying to elevate this so he can monetize it somehow? Radio shows, book deals, etc? That sounds like something Mark Dickerson would do.

Matt
Matt
4 years ago
Reply to  S

Yeah, I’d say this case is an example of the Streisand Effect.

Steve Scarich
Steve Scarich
4 years ago

I think that media, Jonathan included, can shield themselves by using language like ‘as reported by PPB’ when making an ‘accusation’ such as the one against Mr. Dickerson. I am agnostic about the legal decision, but I would be upset if any media just repeated a claim about me, made by the police, without at least attributing it to them. As we all know, the initial police reports are frequently determined to be inaccurate. Readers of media make conclusions about the accused, many times without reading the fine print in the reporting. Damage cannot be undone.

BikeRound
BikeRound
4 years ago

I am glad this worked out favorably in the end for Bike Portland.

Al M
Al M
4 years ago

I would now sue this guy for “malicious prosecution” to recover the damages you incurred

Jason
Jason
4 years ago

“I’m still unsure why exactly Dickerson singled me out in the list of defendants”
You’re a symbol for how an individual can take action to change the community. You’re not a big corporation, so you aren’t constricted by a board of directors. Dickerson singling you out was a blatant attempt at intimidation; a la Nunes. That’s the new playbook. Intimidate future conflict by raising as many law suits as possible now. Fortunately you’ve got a great lawyer.

Glenn II
Glenn II
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason

Since it’s the thing that torpedoed his case, I’m going with the much simpler “He didn’t have a lawyer to spot that mistake.”

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  Glenn II

So, you’re saying the whole case imploded because he personally named Johnathan?

Glenn II
Glenn II
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason

Well, yeah: “…listing my personal name as a defendant was incorrect … a plaintiff must name the publisher of the defamatory content in question … The judge … agreed … and formally granted the motion to dismiss the case.”

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  Glenn II

I guess I’m confused if you’re saying this impacted just Johnathan’s case or the other defendants too?

Jason
Jason
4 years ago

Oh, your writing is clear. I understood the article. 😀
I was attempting to clarify my understanding of what Glenn II was implying. When I caught myself being unnecessarily pedantic. Given the option, I would have deleted the comment.

But thanks for taking the time to address the issue.

q
q
4 years ago

I think I recall Hello Kitty telling me once that being right on technicalities is the best kind of right.

Jason
Jason
4 years ago

Technically correct is the best correct.

Gary Miller
Gary Miller
4 years ago

You deserve to pay for what you did. You saw the video and knew full well that you were lying. Telling yourself you don’t see what is actually happening because you don’t want to see it does not mean you can then lie about a person in a publication. The video clearly shows what would basically happen with an insurance scammer, except this is a protester doing it to look like a victim instead of to get paid. Idiot.

Ryan
Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Gary Miller

“Telling yourself you don’t see what is actually happening because you don’t want to see it”

Hmm… like telling yourself you don’t see a person trying to intimidate others with their vehicle or using it in a dangerous, unnecessary way.

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  Glenn II

Sorry, I’m being pedantic and I don’t mean to be.

Corbin
Corbin
4 years ago

Congrats! Car owners will stop at nothing to perpetuate streets violence as if it was normal – including suing you after. You deserve a drink after that!

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  Corbin

Nothing like being “rage passed” in a double yellow zone when you’re doing the posted speed limit on your bicycle. Then later to get flipped off at a stop light. I just don’t understand the rage.

El Biciclero
El Biciclero
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason

This (or aggressive tailgating) happens so frequently I would laugh if it wasn’t so dangerous.

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  El Biciclero

Or the oncoming left turn who didn’t see you.

one
one
4 years ago

Come on BP readers who don’t struggle to make rent. Throw a few bucks in and support BP. Now is a good time.

Jim Lee
Jim Lee
4 years ago

Donald J. Trump has been sued 3,800 times.

But he deserves it.

Matthew in PDX
Matthew in PDX
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Lee

True, but he prevailed in the libel lawsuit that Stormy Daniels filed, and was awarded $293,052.33 in attorney’s fees, costs and sanctions to the lawyers representing Trump. Her counsel in that case, Michael Avenatti, is currently incarcerated.

Whyat Lee
Whyat Lee
4 years ago

You know you’ve reached a level of success in your career when someone feels the need to sue you. It shows that all your hard work over the years have had as much impact as the major news outlets in town. Silver lining?

Jason
Jason
4 years ago

Northern European is not a race not is it an ethnicity. It is a geographic region.

shirtsoff
shirtsoff
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason

daˈfək!

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  shirtsoff

Nesting monkeys.

Rain Waters
Rain Waters
4 years ago

Theres no point to be made unless one intends to pierce or threaten to pierce another.
I didnt realize how careful one needs be around those who make points. Sociopath is one nice rounded off way of saying it.

Shimran George
Shimran George
4 years ago

For a second I thought that our legal loophole was going to belabor this case! I’m glad Dickerson’s suit was dismissed, and hopefully he doesn’t appeal.

Please let us know if anything like this happens again (before arbitration!), I think a lot of us would be happy to chip some money to help with defense.

Joe
Joe
4 years ago

Could it be that he named Mr Maus personally instead of Pedaltown Media because he believes that BikePortland is a blog, and not really journalism? I’m inclined to agree with that, though I still think the suit was unjust.

Damien
Damien
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe

From the first line of Wikipedia’s article on “Journalism”:
“Journalism is the production and distribution of reports on events.”

BikePortland certainly qualifies as journalism with this framing, as do many blogs.

SCOTT DIAMOND
SCOTT DIAMOND
4 years ago

Thanks for reporting on this. Sorry you went through this. Yet another reason to support BikePortland.

RudiV
RudiV
4 years ago

I suppose I’m glad you won, but it doesn’t make your story journalism. You seem perfectly comfortable attributing motives to people based on their age, gender, and color of skin. It’s disgusting.

On top of that, lefty types really needs to get over this trend of believing they know everybody’s *real* motives better than anybody knows their own. It’s not defamation, but it is arrogant and obnoxious.

q
q
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

“… lefty types really needs to get over this trend of believing they know everybody’s *real* motives better than anybody knows their own.”

With that statement, aren’t you actually doing exactly what you’re accusing others of doing?

9watts
4 years ago
Reply to  q

Ouch. 😉

RudiV
RudiV
4 years ago
Reply to  q

Ah the old, “I am rubber and you are glue” strategy.

I’m not commenting on Maus’s motives, only on his words:

“older white men feel victimized by a rapidly changing society, and hate toward others feels like it’s at an all-time high…”

The second claim ther is perhaps debatable, but the first claim directly tells “older white men” what the supposedly feel.

Have you ever tried to tell your significnt other why the feel they way they feel and how their feelings aren’t really valid and are just kinda bullsh*t? How’d that work out?

q
q
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

You’re not being honest. You didn’t make your comment about one person, you made it about a whole group of people (“lefty types”). So yes, you did just do exactly what you criticized “lefty types” for doing.

That’s besides being wrong about Jonathan Maus as well.

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

I think your concern could be marginalized by one small word, “some”. Some older white men feel victimized by a rapidly changing society.” There, now you don’t have to be triggered anymore. 😀

dwk
dwk
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

Rudi is what happens when the Oregonian no longer prints comments. Aggrieved white conservatives have no place to go locally so this is what you get.

RudiV
RudiV
4 years ago
Reply to  q

“Journalism”, according to Wikipedia, is “the production and distribution of reports on events”. Strong hunches and feelings don’t qualify.

Journalism:
Jonathan Maus said today that “older white men feel victimized by a rapidly changing society”.

Opinion, not journalism:
Leftists activists, posing as journalists, project their own negative feelings about elements of their character that they’re unable to integrate, onto others.

I think there’s room for both journalism and opinion, but passing the latter off as the former is an attempt to escalate one’s opinion into fact.

I still like the site tho… most of the time.

9watts
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

“older white men feel victimized by a rapidly changing society”

Do you disagree with that statement? He didn’t say all older white men.
It may be troubling for you to accept, but just look at the demographic of who commits hate crimes in this country, who takes loaded guns into schools and opens fire? Who bullies others with their jacked up pickup trucks? Rolls coal? Trolls others who disagree with them on blogs?
Women? Minorities? Mostly not.

RudiV
RudiV
4 years ago
Reply to  9watts

9watts
“older white men feel victimized by a rapidly changing society”Do you disagree with that statement? He didn’t say all older white men. It may be troubling for you to accept, but just look at the demographic of who commits hate crimes in this country, who takes loaded guns into schools and opens fire? Who bullies others with their jacked up pickup trucks? Rolls coal? Trolls others who disagree with them on blogs? Women? Minorities? Mostly not.Recommended 0

You’re a bigot. Put you in a different time and place, where another gender or skin color is the designated scapegoat, and you’d be just a self righteous in your bigotry against them. Again, disgusting.

9watts
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

“ is the designated scapegoat…”

You are missing a crucial element here: power. Older white men (still) hold most of the (social, economic) power in this society. To flip this and make them out to be the persecuted, the scapegoat just doesn’t pass the laugh test.

RudiV
RudiV
4 years ago
Reply to  9watts

You are missing a crucial element here: power.

Yeah yeah yeah, every little hitler has an excuse for why whatever sh*tty thing they want to do is really just”getting even”.

9watts
4 years ago
Reply to  9watts

No one is “getting even.” Some people are behaving badly and are being called out for it.
Jonathan is observing what is observable (and lamentable) and you are attempting to kill the messenger because you don’t like the message.

The Dude
The Dude
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

Let’s call it like it is: You’re an older white male, right Rudy? For you, this so-called bigotry is personal, right?

q
q
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

You cited this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism

But you apparently didn’t read it beyond the first sentence.

Scroll down to “Forms” and it lists THIRTEEN types of journalism. Jonathan’s writing fits several of those thirteen definitions.

Go to any of dozens of other definitions from major dictionaries. They all have definitions of “journalism” that match exactly what Jonathan does.

Your “opinion, not journalism” in particular doesn’t make any sense, because opinion is a central part of many forms of journalism.

Tim
Tim
4 years ago

Thanks for your journalism and considered opinions Jonathan.

“Leftists activists, posing as journalists,” – shows RudiV is actually coming from the view that the free press is an enemy of the people. Very sad.

As an older white man, I was not offended, a little embarrassed, but not offended.

Tim
Tim
4 years ago

I share your observation that “older white men feel victimized by a rapidly changing society”. As an older white man, what I can’t understand is why. As a demographic group, older white males are the wealthiest and most privileged demographic. Is it because the more you have the more you have to loose?

Can I change demographic groups, maybe something younger?

stefan c
stefan c
4 years ago

wikipedia isn’t the place to go for what legally constitutes being a journalist
it’s a vague term that means different things in different countries. legal precedents in the US are what matter for this discussion.

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  stefan c

Ah! Thank you! Yes, please stop using Wikipedia as a citation. Wikipedia is the Cliffs Notes of a topic. If you just want a casual understanding of a thing, fine. But if you want to have substantial knowledge, look at the citations on Wikipedia – at the very least. But Starting and stopping your research on the website equivalent of a dry erase board just shows how lazy you are!!!

9watts
4 years ago

RudiV: “Gotta go kick around some old white guy living in a tent down by the freeway cuz of his white male privilege. People are their group identity and nothing more.”

No one but you is flattening Jonathan’s statement into this absurd *every older white man is X* caricature. Maybe try listening more.

RudiV
RudiV
4 years ago

The Dude
Let’s call it like it is: You’re an older white male, right Rudy? For you, this so-called bigotry is personal, right?

Just appalled by the illiberal, and anti-humanst turn that so called “progressivism” has taken in my home town. Racial essentialism from the so called left. Never thought I’d see the day…

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

You got one of them uh… word of the day calendars there Rudi old boy? Cause you look like you just read a word and thought the meaning up for yourself.

The Dude
The Dude
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

I will take that as a big “Yes!” Your feelings of fear are natural, Rudy. But it’s a shame you’ve gotten so upset about the situation. It’s going to be OK. Take a moment to notice that your attempt to demonize is not working and that perhaps you’re out of touch with the very real quest for equity and justice taking place in your society.

I know this is embarrassing for you to hear, but you’ve just proven Jonathan’s point.

Not only is what Jonathan does “journalism,” it’s some of the best around. I’m sometimes mystified at why he sticks pretty rigidly to writing about bike and transportation issues.

You have a lot to learn about your culture, Rudy. Open your mind and your heart.

El Biciclero
El Biciclero
4 years ago
Reply to  RudiV

I’ll de-race-ify it for you Rudi:
“Many of those who have, since the founding of this country, had their thumb on the scales of the political and economic systems in place in the U.S., and those who have benefitted from this tilting of the playing field, having lived on it for so long that it appeared perfectly level, are beginning to feel threatened by the current social climate in which so many are calling for a greater degree of fairness in these heretofore exclusive and tilted systems.”

Now whether those who have created and benefitted from generations of unfair practices and policies, such that even if those practices and policies were instantly made perfectly fair tomorrow, there would be those in our society who—due to those policies being in place for so long—have fallen so far behind that they are essentially sidelined from even playing the game, so to speak, are of any particular age or racial demographic is an exercise left to the reader.

Getting back to your point, if I understand it well enough, that Jonathan is somehow projecting or assuming of you an “essential” white characteristic of feeling victimized when your superiority is questioned when he says, “…older white men feel victimized by a rapidly changing society…”, I can see how you might internalize that in a particular way. Honestly, I had the same kind of feeling when “me too” started, and so many people were talking about how “men” have done this and that over the years, and almost all women have had some experience with being harassed or treated poorly by “men”. I thought, “well, I’ve never done that! That’s not what I think of women!” I had to come to terms with two things: 1) Not all the stories about “men” doing bad things are about me, and 2) Huh, I wonder if I ever have made assumptions about women, their abilities or motivations, or anything else that was not right. Truth is, maybe I’ve never meant to treat women “differently”, but I’ll bet I have, even if unintentionally.

That’s my example. So when you hear an opinion or story about “older white men” doing this or feeling that, just keep in mind that even if the speaker/writer isn’t always careful to say “some older white men might feel this way…” you can probably safely assume those words are implied, and not take such statements as a personal attack. But deeper than that, we should all examine ourselves enough to find out whether there isn’t some tiny smidge of what is being talked about that could be recognized and managed in us.

Ron Swaren
Ron Swaren
4 years ago

You won on the merits of the case. However, maybe you should refrain from lumping “older white men” in together as an aggrieved category, without conducting a peer reviewed statistical sampling. And…FWIW, people can express unproven opinions in court and then the lawyers decide if it remains in the record.

Joe and Bernie would appreciate it, too.

Jason
Jason
4 years ago
Reply to  Ron Swaren

Would you have taken exception if he said, “older white men are comfortably retired”? What if he said, “older white men like football”? Maybe you feel victimized by the fact that he said your victimized. It’s a self validating statement. If you didn’t feel victimized, you wouldn’t have found it necessary to ask him not to say it.

9watts
4 years ago

RudiV

You are missing a crucial element here: power.

Yeah yeah yeah, every little hitler has an excuse for why whatever sh*tty thing they want to do is really just”getting even”.Recommended 1

RudiV
Yeah yeah yeah, every little hitler has an excuse for why whatever sh*tty thing they want to do is really just”getting even”.Recommended 1

Perhaps you are aware—-or perhaps not—-that your phrase evokes Elinor Langer’s book https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/events/hundred-little-hitlers

And it was about… you guessed it… aggrieved white men who got together to terrorize and kill black men right here in Portland. Hm.

El Biciclero
El Biciclero
4 years ago
Reply to  9watts

Also a good article if people (white folks) are able to take a deep breath first and read with an open mind:
https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116

teddy allen
teddy allen
4 years ago

Haven’t heard from you in awhile….what a way to remind myself of a longtime friend. Glad this nightmare is over for you.

Fred Schaeffer
Fred Schaeffer
4 years ago

Trying to claim you have the right to block traffic and force people to look at you violates other’s right to free movement and reduces you to a child throwing a tantrum in an aisle at a store. The driver had the right of way, the protester that was bumped placed himself intentionally in the path of a moving vehicle, the video is clear, the “journalists” injected their openion as journalists do, and some whined about that too, as people do.

Here’s a simply fact. We’ve been playing this left v right circle jerk for decades and the country has done nothing but spin in circles. Republicans and democrats are nothing but corrupt hypocrites and people trying to argue differently are actually the biggest part of the problem because they refuse to be honest.

Ryan
Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Fred Schaeffer

Like it when people resurrect old threads to complain and then use incorrect assumptions in their argument. The “right to free movement” is really a reference to not restricting travel across state lines, or taxing citizens for doing so. And in Hendrick v. Maryland, the Supreme Court even ruled that the right doesn’t extend to mode of transportation*. So blocking roads so cars can’t get through isn’t actually violating anyone’s “right to free movement”. The problem is that while the protester’s actions result in simply inconveniencing the driver, the driver’s actions could have resulted in serious injury to the protester. Granted, spending much time commuting by bike and you see that quite a few drivers believe that a few seconds of their convenience is worth more than other people’s safety, so it’s not really surprising.

*https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/235/610/
“The movement of motor vehicles over highways, being attended by constant and serious dangers to the public and also being abnormally destructive to the highways, is a proper subject of police regulation by the state.”

I do agree on both sides of the political aisle being generally corrupt and hypocritical.

Charles Ross
Charles Ross
1 year ago

I often see commentary on NextDoor that defames and assaults people; not from corporations but from individuals. Often pictures are posted that clearly show the face/car/license plate coupled with an accusation of harassment, theft, reckless driving, etc. You have to be careful about comments you make on a public forum. You might find yourself in a courtroom facing someone asking you to ‘prove it’. Make sure you can!