Bike-friendly state senator wounded by accidental gunshot

Why does the pistol carrying community let their members get away with things like this?

@Ergo

That was a cheap shot

Bwahaha… \”cheap shot\”… so punny.

In all seriousness, I hope he is back on the bike soon.

the bike? I hope he\’s back to walking soon..without a limp. forget the bike..

this doesn\’t surprise me one bit. you see these crazy hipsters, running around trying to look cool with no locks on their guns – it\’s only a matter of time before someone gets hurt or killed. they make the entire gun-toting community look bad; and should all be forced to get licensed.

Gordy! I swear I didn\’t know it was loaded!

Maybe the solution is more bullet proof panniers. 😉

But on a serious note, why would you carry a gun on one unless you happened to becoming back from the firing range or something. In which case, why keep it loaded in the pannier? Seems odd to me. Mainly considering how much effort it would take to retrieve the gun if a situation where it was needed arose.

I will withhold my opinion on gun laws and the like. But leaving a loaded weapon on a bike as a surprise for someone working on it seems a bit negligent. Surely this friend feels terrible about the incident. I hope for a speedy and complete recovery.

I will hope/dream that the dialog that ensues is productive and not the stale arguments on both sides.

One surprise to me is that a gun can discharge by dropping. I assumed that they were designed better than that.

Who carries a gun in their bike bag other than me?

Why do Republicans shoot their friends so often?

I don\’t really care why he has the gun, or why he thinks he needs it, what I want to know is, why the Hell didn\’t the \”friend\” tell him he had a loaded gun on the bike.

What a sad tradgedy. The only safe place for a loaded pistol is in the holster of a responsible adult (though it is probably tough to conceal wearing spandex). I wish him a fast and speedy recovery, knee injuries are not fun (actually they are down right depressing).

Zaphod:

One surprise to me is that a gun can discharge by dropping. I assumed that they were designed better than that.

I\’m not much in the know about guns, but the article says it was a Derringer, which I think of as one of those tiny, one- or two-shot things:

http://www.hellinahandbasket.net/cobra_derringer.jpg

I could see a gun like that landing on its hammer, and popping a shot off.

Hope he heals fast and completly

God Bless

Zaphod (#8) – it depends on the gun, and a host of other factors that vary wildly. Some guns are nearly impossible to set off by dropping them, and very few will fire unless they\’re already cocked.

Ian (#12) – well, the only \”safe\” place is locked in a gun cabinet, unloaded and with the barrel removed. But there are levels of risk. From the sound of it, his friend had that pistol ready to fire – which is fairly common for those who carry.

I hope the senator heals quickly, and doesn\’t have any loss of mobility. I also hope his friend had a concealed carry permit, and I hope the county revokes it. He should have infomed the senator about the gun, or removed the bag containing the gun from the bike before they started working on it. (or safed and unloaded the pistol)

Let me clarify – \”fairly common for those who carry\” – according to sources I\’ve talked to. YMMV.

with \”friends\” like that…hopefully he\’s got a good lawyer.

Of course it would be loaded… why would you carry it then? I agree that this guy was completely irresponsible and I don\’t even know the full story.

Matt Picio,

I said loaded gun… if the barrel is off the gun it wouldn\’t be loaded.

Have a good day.

When I read the article I thought the gun was somewhere in a small bag under the saddle. Is pannier actually mentioned anywhere? I could see someone carrying a small pistol in a seat bag. It would be easily accessible.

Of course I cringe about storing a loaded weapon that close to my groin, but then again I would never carry a weapon in the first place. Imagine if you hit a hard bump on the bike, that could almost be enough to make a hair triggered weapon like this go off…

WOW Ian, how very compassioniate of you. Hardly the setiments echo\’d in your post on the Karl Hugo story. I suppose you feel its ok to be compassioniate because this gentlman has health insurance.

what, with the war going on, soldiers should be armed.

i don\’t know how to post a link.
(http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/portland/Blog?blog=41935&oid=854679)

This reminds me of some advice from my NRA-member father a few years ago, when I lived in SoCal. I used to take a lot of long-distance off-road rides into fairly remote territory, sometimes by myself, and he advised that I should bring my pistol (I had a small semi-auto .38 at the time).

I can\’t say I thought it was awful advice, given that you can encounter some pretty rough folks in the backwoods of Meth Country, USA. But even though this design of gun was perfectly suited to safely accompany an off-road excursion, I couldn\’t fathom it. If it\’s the kind of activity where I need to bring a gun to protect myself, I guess that\’s not my idea of fun. (Which may be one reason why I no longer own that or any other firearm.)

Ever run into a cougar or a mountain lion while riding?

I have, in the Medford area, while riding just outside of town.

That doesn\’t excuse the poor storage and handling of the weapon after the ride was over.

I feel for anyone that has an injury no matter the cause. Sorry if any comments would lead you to think otherwise.

The obvious solution is to require full kevlar vests and kevlar knee pads for bicycle mechanics. Make it an amendment to the helmet law.

\”Ever run into a cougar or a mountain lion while riding?\” aren\’t they one and the same?

The update on OPB suggests this might be more serious of an injury than first reported. He is listed in critical and won\’t be released for at least a week.

I will admit the idea of packing heat has its merits. After a road rager tried and succeeded in intimidating me, the idea had a certain appeal. Never did follow through on it, but like I said, the idea DID have its merits.

The sad part of all of this, is the typical anti gun arguement: Often the victim of handguns are neither the ownner or a criminal, the victim is often an innocent.

If you asked the friend whose bike was being worked on, he/she probably had a good reason ( in their mind) for the pistol being there.
Did the good Senator know the pistol was there? Before he got kneecapped?

Cougar, Mountain Lion, Puma and a Painter all at once.

I think we need a bigger gun.

People don\’t kill people; bicycles kill people.

(Sorry, couldn\’t resist.)

I hope Mr. Atkinson\’s quality of life (including cycling miles) aren\’t affected by this accident. Get well soon!

Sounds like improper storage or a gun unsuitable for carrying… too bad for both parties. Hope they both recover.

If guns weren\’t such a taboo subject — especially among the bike groups — he might have had the opportunity to get good education about how (and how NOT) to carry, and maybe made a safer choice too (gimme a safe, reliable firearm, plz).

I admit that I can think of many advantages to carrying a gun on a bicycle. But I can also think of many disadvantages, in particular, my tendency to crash every so often, and how having a gun go off when that happened just might not be helpful to the situation…

But generally I take the bags off my bike before I work on it. Not so much because I\’m worried about guns in them, but because the bags are heavy and get in the way.

sorry he got hurt, but maybe if motorists weren\’t sure if the cyclist whose right of way they were about to violate had a loaded weapon on them or not, they\’d be a bit more careful.

I once read a bit in the paper about a guy in AZ who actually cycled with a pistol strapped on his hip in full view of all the motorists, and he claimed it was a remarkable deterrent to bad behavior.

Killing cougars..O.K., that\’s why I don\’t like the ideas behind carrying a gun around. BTW, I lived in the mountains just south of Grants Pass for years with cougars and bears as regular neighbors. We respected them and they respected us. No problems. (The Oregonian has a story today on what happens to an ecosystem when you remove predators like wolves, etc…it\’s not pretty.)

@BURR …a highly-visible camera works well for me instead. 🙂

dude, you don\’t need to go all the way to medford to look for cougars. me and my bros were in the pearl the other day, coug\’s were everywhere! and they were soooo hot! man, bend is also cougar heaven, they are totally on the prowl!

Ian (#18) – I never said otherwise, I merely said it (the loaded gun) wouldn\’t be safe – just less dangerous. No firearm is safe unless it is unloaded. (and even then, all firearms should be treated as if they *were* loaded) Which doesn\’t mean one shouldn\’t carry a firearm – like I said, there are levels of risk. Thanks for the well-wish, you have a good day too.

Why would anyone assume that people who want to ignore stop signs, stop lights, who fight against helmet laws, who split lanes between large vehicles and who drive at night without lights would know anything about gun safety?

Wow what a no brainer. or in this case a no knee\’er

Making jokes about this injury is cold.

Maybe I need to adjust my tin foil hat, but something about this story doesn\’t ring true for me.

thats sucks. i guess he wont be biking for a while.

This is a good example of why bicyclists should carry semi-automatics with decent safety locks instead of revolvers. My guess is he didn\’t have a holster with a safety strap over the hammer.

Bike Portland readers: Sell your .38 specials and buy a Glock 32!

I hope Atkinson didn\’t take that round square to the knee, or he\’s in for a very long rehab at best.

Making jokes about this injury is cold.

you got that right, but Myra\’s a hater with no sense of perspective, so it\’s par for the course for her.

See…see what happens ! We ran off Vance
who didn\’t hate cyclist, just the cyclist religion. Since nature abhors a vacuum, Myra is sucked out the bung of the lunatic
fringe.

I miss Vance

#42
I thought that a derringer by it\’s very nature is not a revolver?? If it\’s anything like my Saturday Night Special made by Davis Industries in Chino, it\’s a cheap piece of crap thats dangerous even when it\’s unloaded.

Any update an this guys injuries?

Keith,

I just skimmed the post and assumed revolver when I skimmed past .38.

…and of course decided to make a glib post forthwith!

The derringer just makes it weirder. Makes me wonder if Atkinson\’s friend rides a bicycle because he\’s a fan of technology of the 19th century. I can just see him on a high wheel bike waving a Schofield revolver above his head in downtown Medford.

I\’m sure there\’s a long story involved, which who knows – might have some kind of story arc that doesn\’t sound as nutty as what little has been reported, but what fun is that?

I can say though, just the thought of what happened makes my knees hurt.

I think Myra forgot her medication again..her mind seems to be running in circles.

Wait a minute–you mean a Republican can be bike-friendly? That\’s mind-blowing. I guess it\’s not just the radical left-wingers who can think straight sometimes…

I hope he is able to eventually get back in the saddle.

Myra (#38),

Why would you assume people care what you have to spew?

Oh yeah, you\’re trolling for hits…

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2008/08/01/news/community/3loc19_wounded.txt

Interesting story and some good news.