More traffic cameras, more money: A big day for safer streets in Portland

A man tries to cross 82nd Avenue at Alberta, the intersection where two people were killed by drivers in April.
(Photo: Jonathan Maus/BikePortland)

Wednesday was a very consequential day for traffic safety in Portland.

“I have moved from hating cameras, to really understanding how, in relationship with other safety improvements, they could help keep people in our communities safe.”
— Jo Ann Hardesty, city commissioner

At their morning session Portland City Council finally authorized the Portland Bureau of Transportation to move forward with a contract for automated enforcement cameras. This contract was first given the go-ahead by council 18 months ago but was mired in red tape and stuck at the city’s procurement office.

Then this afternoon the Oregon Senate passed House Bill 2530, which repeals the existing sunset on the city’s traffic camera program that was set to expire in 2024. “We are optimistic that the governor will sign this,” a PBOT spokesperson shared with me today, “Allowing the speed safety cameras program in Portland to become permanent.”

And then at their evening session, City Council passed the 2021-2022 budget that included a last-minute, $450,000 amendment from PBOT Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty that aims to, “Urgently respond to the crisis of vehicular violence.”

When these three things are taken together, they represent significant progress and give PBOT clear marching orders to tame the city’s most dangerous intersections.

At City Council today, PBOT Safety Section Manager Dana Dickman told Mayor Wheeler, Hardesty and the rest of council that the new, five year, $15 million contract with Conduent State & Local Solutions, Inc will allow PBOT to install twice as many cameras as they have now. “This contract will allow us to install up to 20 fixed speed cameras [total] and 20 intersection cameras so it’s essentially a little bit more than doubling the system,” Dickman said.

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Despite the clear effectiveness and urgent need for automated cameras to cite drivers for speeding and red light running infractions, Portland has installed only eight of them in the past five years. One of the barriers to expansion was that state law requires a sworn police officer to review each citation. PBOT tried to change that law at the legislature this year, but lawmakers and police unions weren’t ready to pass it.

Asked how a major expansion of the camera program will be possible with the police officer requirement still in place, PBOT spokesperson Dylan Rivera told BikePortland today that, “We have agreement from our partners at the Portland Police Bureau, and the courts that handle speed citations, that they both can handle the additional work that will come with the expansion in the number of cameras.”

Rivera said PBOT could install even more cameras in the coming years without the officer requirement and that, “We fully intend to bring this issue up again [at future legislative sessions].”

Cameras alone will not solve our traffic safety crisis. Streets must be designed in a way that discourages dangerous driving and limits the consequences of it. PBOT Commissioner Hardesty understands this and today she put our money where her mouth is.

The $450,000, one-time boost from the General Fund will be used on projects on PBOT’s “high crash corridors” (streets with an above average rate of injury and/or death) in the next four to six months.

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Hardesty’s commitment to address Portland’s rising traffic fatalities began in earnest when a man intentionally used his car to run over people in southeast Portland in late January. It was a vehicular rampage that left one person dead, many others injured, and put our entire city on edge — and it happen just weeks after Hardesty was asked to lead PBOT. Then when two people died while walking on 82nd Avenue in late April, Hardesty had seen enough. She tasked PBOT staff to come up with a list of projects that would have an immediate impact on safety.

“It’s clear our city is seeing a tragic increase in loss of life from vehicular violence and we need to treat this like an emergency,” Hardesty said in a statement released today that also referenced a spike in deaths so far this year that’s over 50% higher than 2020.

The $450,000 will be spent on new traffic cameras, intersection “daylighting” projects, new traffic signals with leading pedestrian intervals, turn calming bumps at high-crash intersections, installation of flexible posts in center turn lanes (to prevent them from being improperly used), and warning signs at high crash intersections.

Today proves that Hardesty can deliver for PBOT and there’s nothing like excellent budget news to boost staff morale. It’s also another example of Hardesty’s flexibility when it comes to re-assessing her positions.

“I have moved from hating [automated enforcement] cameras, to really understanding how, in relationship with other safety improvements, they could help keep people in our communities safe,” she said at Council today. “I look forward to installing these cameras and installing the safety improvements so that it doesn’t matter what part of the city you live in, you can safely walk and bike safely.”

— Jonathan Maus: (503) 706-8804, @jonathan_maus on Twitter and jonathan@bikeportland.org
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Tom
Tom
1 year ago

Safety cameras that record license plates and send the citation to the registered owner are the right thing to do, but failing to auto-blur the driver and passengers face is becoming highly problematic due to the increased misused of biometric source data.

Storing a capture of the occupant face is completely unnecessarily for this application. A couple years ago I would not have had an issue with it, but the situation has changed rapidly since then. Once the face captures are stored they can be stolen in a hack, shared or backed-up against the rules, and later subjected to biometric fingerprinting. No stored biometric data is safe. Last year there were over a 1000 data breaches in the US affecting over 150 million people and the problem is rapidly getting worse.

Not auto-blurring the faces in the captures will just further normalize biometric data collection which will only lead to its further expansion and the scams, identity theft, and misuse that come along with it.

mark
mark
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom

We need to change the law to allow the citation to be sent to the registered owner of the vehicle, without needing to identify the driver. If the registered owner wasn’t driving at the time, they can give up the responsible party. Too many citations for a given vehicle, and the state will seize and crush it.

Harald
1 year ago
Reply to  mark

The German system requires the actual driver to be identified. However, if the driver can’t be identified and the owner is uncooperative, there is no immediate fine but the vehicle owner is mandated to keep a drivers log for a certain period of time. Seems like a reasonable middle ground.

Tom
Tom
1 year ago
Reply to  Harald

That German system was created far before facial recognition was developed and before the recently available facial recognition background check software existed. Currently at least the Beaverton and Gresham PD are full-in on the use of facial recognition with no real restrictions. They may already be pulling traffic camera data to run facial recognition background checks for both driver and passenger just to see what pops up. Why wouldn’t they when its so easy, cheap and affective, and who is going to know as they don’t reveal the details on how they are using facial recognition, and there are no records kept.

This is essentially part of what China is doing in Xinjiang. What we are rapidly converging on in the US is China style surveillance. The Beaverton and Gresham PD can actually buy the same FR software used in Xinjiang which include built in filters for race detection. The FR software in the works will also have filters for sexual orientation, politics and even mood (see below links).

If you don’t have anything to hide, hopefully all the people who look like you (close enough to you to create a mismatch) also don’t have anything to hide.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/12/researchers-use-facial-recognition-tools-to-predict-sexuality-lgbt-groups-arent-happy/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-79310-1

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00507-5

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-quiet-growth-of-race-detection-software-sparks-concerns-over-bias-11597378154

soren
soren
1 year ago
Reply to  Harald

It should be noted that the majority of speed cameras in Germany are located on motorways or regional highways/expressways, not on average roads in urban centers.

https://www.scdb.info/en/karte/

The monomaniacal focus on speed cameras in some urban areas is a USAnian “experiment” that avoids installation of cheap vision zero infrastructure because it might may annoy the sports utility cage (SUC) driving majority.

I also expect that speed cameras in dense urban areas will prove to be a waste of money in the long run as drivers become accustomed to briefly decelerating and then re-accelerating.

Speed cameras in urban areas are, in effect, very, very, very expensive speed bumps with multi-million dollar maintenance contracts.

The Dude
The Dude
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Even taking this gloomy view, it still seems better than the alternative to me. And cameras are a net revenue source that can be used to fund infrastructure improvements.

soren
soren
1 year ago
Reply to  The Dude

What’s gloomy about cheap and effective speed bumps (and raised crosswalks)??? Oh sorry, I guess those things are quite gloomy for the homicidal convenience of sports utility cage (SUC) drivers,

FullLaneFemme
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Well, until drivers become accustomed to not driving at speeds that will seriously injure or kill someone we can have speed cameras.

Cleo Robins
Cleo Robins
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Soren ,

Should we re-fund the PPB and let the traffic police make traditional traffic stops? We need to do something to reduce the death toll.

soren
soren
1 year ago
Reply to  Cleo Robins

We need to do something

Yes, but anything other than the cheap and effective infrastructure that is proven to reduce the speed of deadly sports utility cages (SUCs).

This is the ‘murrican way.

PS: As far as I am concerned, every single PPB officer should be fired.

Toronto Sam
Toronto Sam
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Soren,
“Every single PPB officer should be fired”
That’s just naive and of course a non-starter.

soren
soren
1 year ago
Reply to  Toronto Sam

I agree that my abolitionist position is naive and a non-starter in mostly-white and thoroughly racist Portland, but firing every single police office turned out to be a pragmatic approach in Camden NJ: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/nyregion/camden-police.html. (And, yes, the outcome was not perfect but those who expect perfection are always disappointed.)

Riderofbike
Riderofbike
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Soren, You need to get out more if you really think Portland is racist. You should take a tour of India, Lebanon and Jordan. Might give you some needed perspective.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/%3foutputType=amp

soren
soren
1 year ago
Reply to  Riderofbike

The idea that we should excuse racism because others may also be racist is a logical fallacy at best.

Korie C
Korie C
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Disagree with you that Portland is “thoroughly racist”. You seem to embrace hyperbole.

Lesley F.
Lesley F.
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

soren,
I think you are missing the point. The point is that you are drastically and hyperbolically overestimating racism in Portland by calling it “thoroughly racist”. Yes, there are national systemic issues negatively affecting people of color. In Portland however this is primarily via educational and financial struggles. It is not due to cultural racism as seen in some parts of the US and other parts of the world such as India, Lebanon, South Africa, etc.

Korie C
Korie C
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Soren,
Actually that’s not what happened in Camden. They simply had the county there take over the force. The county hired back the majority of the Camden cops.

https://progressive.org/latest/camden-didnt-defund-police-department-kalet-200630/

Watts
Watts
1 year ago
Reply to  mark

If the registered owner wasn’t driving at the time, they can give up the responsible party.

“If you won’t identify the guilty party, we’re going to charge you!”

Sounds adjacent to collective punishment. What’s not to like? (Never mind complexities like trying to sort out conflicting accounts about who was driving, or someone getting a friend with a clean record to “take the fall” to avoid more severe consequences… as long as the state gets its pound of flesh…)

MarkInNoPo
MarkInNoPo
1 year ago

I’m glad we’re getting more cameras, but we still need to figure out how to handle the scourge of drivers being reckless in cars stripped of license plates.

Last week, on the Bryant St greenway, the driver of a souped-up Mustang with no license plates threatened to shoot a pedestrian who waved his arms in objection to donuts being spun next to Arbor Lodge Park. And on Lombard, the craziest drivers are often those without any sort of license plate. Cameras are key, but the city also needs to do something about the people speeding through town in cars that can’t be identified.

D2
D2
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkInNoPo

Unfortunately if offenders are going to the extent of taking off their license plate active policing is really the only answer.

I believe the logic behind speed cameras is to slow down the average rate of speed and therefor decrease the number of accidents and/or the severity of them. If you can coerce the moderate speeders into compliance it also forces the more aggressive speeders to be ‘stuck’ in that traffic. Fully reckless drivers are another concern altogether.

One
1 year ago
Reply to  D2

I can’t count how many times I’ve been next to a cop who is behind someone without a license plate or a temporary paper in the window. They don’t care

Riderofbikes
Riderofbikes
1 year ago
Reply to  One

That’s because they’ve given up. They know they can’t win. If they stop somebody and ANYTHING goes wrong they will be blamed by the politicians that Portlanders have elected.

Abi
Abi
1 year ago
Reply to  One

In Oregon due to the backlog at the DMV, there is a moratorium on liscense plate requirements. it’s currently legal to drive without plate, but hopefully not much longer

Toronto Sam
Toronto Sam
1 year ago
Reply to  Abi

Abi,
Actually the COVID moratorium only allows one to be 6 months expired. If > 6 months, you are in violation. Unfortunately, due to police defunding the PPB does not have the staff to enforce vehicle laws and PBOT doesn’t care to either. Car owners In Portland can do whatever they please. Drive without plates, drive with expired plates and speed. Freedom (anarchy) at its worse.

https://www.oregon.gov/odot/DMV/docs/HB2137_moratorium_memo.pdf

Brilyn F.
Brilyn F.
1 year ago
Reply to  Abi

Abi,
No it’s NOT legal to drive without plates. There is still a six month grace period on registration but I imagine that will end soon once Governor Brown stops declaring a state of emergency for COVID. Currently it’s scheduled to end June 28th.

Here is the pertinent information from the emergency directive from Governor Brown:

The bill prohibits a police officer from issuing the following traffic citations:
• Operating a vehicle without driving privileges under ORS 807.010, based on a driver license
or driver permit expired less than six months.
• Any offense based on a vehicle registration, or a vehicle permit, that is expired less than six
months.
• Unlawful parking in a space reserved for persons with disabilities under ORS 811.615,
based on such a parking permit expired less than six months.

https://www.oregon.gov/odot/DMV/docs/HB2137_moratorium_memo.pdf

Cleo Robins
Cleo Robins
1 year ago
Reply to  D2

Completely agree. But here in Portland the politicos we have elected frown on any use of the police to enforce our traffic and vehicle registration laws. PBOT does virtually nothing about the thousands of no plate vehicles and expired registration vehicles littering our streets. So the average citizen suffers the consequences.

mark
mark
1 year ago

I fully support the idea of more automated enforcement. In order for it to be effective though, we need some way to ensure that motor vehicles actually display license plates. I can’t count the number of cars I’ve seen recently with no plates at all, or a temporary permit barely visible behind a darkly tinted rear window, or no front plate because they don’t want to diminish the smooth front end of their Tesla.

The Dude
The Dude
1 year ago

You know who doesn’t hold deep-seated beliefs about the superiority of the white race, isn’t filled with hate, and doesn’t carry a gun on the job? That’s right: traffic cameras.

Riderofbike
Riderofbike
1 year ago
Reply to  The Dude

Dude,
That is over the top hyperbole. There are many excellent law enforcement officers who do their darndest every day to help the community is which they are working. I find your comment offensive to those good officers.

The Dude
The Dude
1 year ago
Reply to  Riderofbike

It is simply a fact that there are many police officers who hold racist beliefs, then act on those racist beliefs on the job, using state power to commit racially-motivated crimes. I find that even more offensive than you find my words.

And in case you haven’t noticed, that extra-judicial deprivation of human rights by the US government has caused some social unrest recently.

Maybe all those “excellent” police officers out there should stop remaining silent when their co-workers commit crimes and should stop using their union to prevent their criminal co-workers from being held accountable. Then maybe they would deserve to get recognized for doing “their darndest every day to help the community.”

MarkInNoPo
MarkInNoPo
1 year ago
Reply to  The Dude

It is possible to oppose bigotry of one kind without embracing bigotry of another.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkInNoPo

Black people are born Black. Cops are not born cops. A “bigotry” against cops is not even in the same moral universe as racial bigotry.

Leo R.
Leo R.
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Matt,
So are you saying it’s okay to make promote the false stereotypes that The Dude is making? Just because something is “less wrong” doesn’t make it right.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Leo R.

What false stereotypes?

Riderofbike
Riderofbike
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Matt,
“That MANY police officers hold racist beliefs”.
That is a false stereotype often propagated by the intolerant far left and anarchist types. Of course some police are racists unfortunately and this should not be tolerated. All races have the capability to be racist. We all need to work to respect those different from us.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.desmoinesregister.com/amp/3274391001

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Riderofbike

Did you actually read that article? Because it doesn’t even address whether cops are racist or not–how could it, when most racists would never admit they are racist? That article only discusses the proportionality of the races of people killed by police.

Anyway, the statement you are claiming is “false” contains the word “many” as the point of contention. “Many”, as an adjective, is a subjective term (“a large number of”–“large” being, again, a subjective idea), and as such, the statement itself can neither be true nor false by any objective assessment. Tell me your estimate of how many cops hold racist beliefs. Then I’ll tell you whether or not I consider that to be a large number.

The Dude
The Dude
1 year ago
Reply to  Riderofbike

Respectfully, the statement “Many police officers hold racist beliefs” is not false and it is not a stereotype. It is simply a fact.

Hadar Cohen
Hadar Cohen
1 year ago
Reply to  The Dude

Respectfully, the statement “Many police officers hold racist beliefs” is false and is a stereotype. It is simply false.

The Dude
The Dude
1 year ago
Reply to  Hadar Cohen

I guess this article documenting the scale of racist police violence in the US with facts and interviews is “fake news” then.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/7/21293259/police-racism-violence-ideology-george-floyd

Brilyn F.
Brilyn F.
1 year ago
Reply to  The Dude

Dude,
The article has nothing to do with police officers being racist and Vox hias a documented left bias in its “reporting”. So yes, there probably are elements of fake news in that article.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/vox-news-media-bias

Luke S
Luke S
1 year ago
Reply to  The Dude

Dude and/or Matt,
Curious, would you consider Chief Lovell of the PPB to be a racist?

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Luke S

And I’m curious what relevance you believe that has to the conversation at hand. Do you remember how #notallmen was rightfully excoriated? Seems you’re trying to pull a #notallcops on us.

soren
soren
1 year ago

When police “review” citations we should expect the outcome to be racist. Also, the moral cowardice of the democratic party in refusing to ban this practice is disgusting.

mark
mark
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

This is why it’s so important to change to law to allow the citation to be sent to the registered owner, without the need to identify the driver. Should apply to hit and run violence as well.

MarkinNoPo
MarkinNoPo
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

I agree with eliminating police review but this is overwrought. And if you want to know why Democrats hesitated, the simplest answer is usually correct: they’re beholden to the unions.

Korie C.
Korie C.
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Oh brother. Not all cops are racist. Your repeated statements of such are growing tiresome.

Matt D
Matt D
1 year ago

The entire stretch of Banfield Freeway needs speed cameras. Drivers there are out of wack.

SilkySlim
SilkySlim
1 year ago

Good news!

Maybe I’m late to this, but while driving the other day Google Maps was telling me “Red light camera ahead” in advance of intersections (Tigard area).

I was sort of conflicted… I don’t want to “cheat” via this, but then again it caused me to slow down for sure. Which is probably better than speeding and getting a ticket several weeks later. I just hope it doesn’t lead to a feeling of freedom to speed elsewhere.

David R Burns
David R Burns
1 year ago
Reply to  SilkySlim

I like to think of those warnings as opportunities for everyone to practice safe driving. Having practiced, many will continue to do so elsewhere.

soren
soren
1 year ago
Reply to  SilkySlim

PBOT found that deceleration followed by re-acceleration was common at the Division speed cameras but somehow this finding is rarely discussed here.

IMO, speed cameras are expensive band aids that fail to address our toxic and inhumane road system. They are better than nothing but I doubt they will have much effect in the long-term (and will likely be removed once the sports utility cage majority [SUC] gets ticked off enough to make them an electoral issue).

SD
SD
1 year ago

It would be great if this kind of approach could be applied to greenways with increased fines similar to “work zones,” but I am guessing that isn’t part of the current plan.

TonyT
TonyT
1 year ago

It’s worth noting the following regarding Oregon law and speed camera enforcement:

“Oregon law allows RLR cameras to also detect and issue speeding violations for motorists violating speeds by 11 mph or greater. Cities may not issue a speeding violation concurrently with a red light running violation, unless the motorist was exceeding the posted speed by more than 20 mph.”

Source – https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/Engineering/Documents_TrafficStandards/Red-Light-Camera-Guidelines.pdf

In other words, in a 20mph zone, drivers can go 50% over the speed limit without risking an automated speeding ticket. Likelihood of death from being hit by a driver goes from 7% at 20mph to 20% at 30mph. So pedestrians will have a nearly triple chance of dying due to protection for scofflaw drivers being enshrined into Oregon law.

Also mentioned above is that a driver can be speeding 20mph over the limit AND run a red light and due to Oregon law, they are assured of only getting a ticket for running the red light. Oregon law goes out of its way to protect drivers from the consequences of their actions.

The Dude
The Dude
1 year ago
Reply to  TonyT

Comment of the week?

Cleo Robins
Cleo Robins
1 year ago

Multiple episodes of vehicular violence against CHILDREN on NE 33rd between Hancock and Knott (adjacent to Grant Park/Grant High School/Beverly Cleary K-8. Despite multiple complaints PBOT has done virtually nothing.
They don’t seem to care.
One issue is lack of traffic enforcement which has been completely abandoned in lawless Portland. Can PBOT be mandated to install speed cameras in ALL high risk school zones? Would be a start.

Tom
Tom
1 year ago

In the race to roll out more biometric surveillance, pedestrians and cyclists may be far more impacted by misuse. Special fixed equipment and camera timing is needed capture drivers faces, but capturing people outside of vehicles is far easier and cheaper.

Take for example a new drone soon to be available on the market which is purpose built to fly over crowds and harvest high quality pedestrian face pictures and identify people on “watch lists”. It can’t see people in cars, only pedestrians and cyclists. Police in the US are already saying they are interested in obtaining this drone. The drone is expected to be flying over US pedestrians as early as next year.

The software developed for the drone includes a powerful tool that keeps track of who the target associates with, supposedly for COVID tracing. However, this feature makes the drone an authoritarian/dictatorship governments dream. They only need to identify one dissident or political opponent, and the drone software will generate a tree diagram showing who associates with them, then who associates with the associates, and so on. In a short period of time the software can create a complete organizational picture of any dissident organization that dares to step outside.

I don’t know how anyone could support the mass capture of biometric data when its coupling with FR technology will increasingly be used to imprison, torture and execute huge numbers dissidents around the world. Its a humanitarian disaster.

When its used on pedestrians and cyclists in the US, the justification will likely include that we are already capturing faces of driver using “safety” cameras. If its okay for drivers, then why not also okay for people outside of vehicles, will be the claim.

The purpose of license plate data is to identify the vehicle/registrant, and should be used to identify the vehicle/registrant without capturing and storing face pictures.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/02/15/drones-with-facial-recognition-are-primed-to-fly-but-the-world-isnt-ready-yet/?sh=6b0adba73d9e

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

Do we still have the van-based speed cameras? I haven’t seen one in ages. Placing them at random locations that change frequently seems a lot more effective than fixed location cameras.

tom
tom
1 year ago

I live on se main (between 139 & 148) . About 2 months ago PBOT installed 9 speed bumps (after only 40 years of requesting them) … traffic SEEMS to have increased. The dirt bike guys go fast and use them for jumps. The speed racer guys “floor it” from one bump to the next. Maybe they have a time competition ? so, once again, PBOT’s good intentions have made the situation worse ?

Cargo mom
Cargo mom
1 year ago

Twice as many cameras that exist. But we don’t have many existing cameras, so really baby steps here. So typical of Portland

Daily Commuter
Daily Commuter
1 year ago

I pass the red light camera every week on Marine Drive during my ride. Someone has cut every wire to the camera and associated equipment, and it’s been left that way for the 3 months that I have been observing it.

soren
soren
1 year ago
Reply to  Daily Commuter

My back of the envelope math suggests that we we could install 30-40 emergency vehicle-compatible speed bumps for the 30 year cost of one set of traffic cameras. And another plus is that speed bumps have no wires that can be cut.

MarkInNoPo
MarkInNoPo
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Do you propose installing speed bumps on Marine Drive? If not, what’s your next best idea?

soren
soren
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkInNoPo

On every high crash network street (and raised crosswalks, median islands, and chicanes too).

MarkinNoPo
MarkinNoPo
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

If there were a way to bring the 85th-percentile speed on Marine Drive down to 30 MPH (the speed limit was recently dropped from 45 MPH to 40 MPH, but the 85th-percentile speed is nearly 50 MPH) without just pushing traffic onto adjoining roads (like your proposed thicket would do), I’d agree with ignoring the marginal utility of speed cameras.

But alas, with a wholesale revamp of Portland roads not within immediate reach, I support trying to save as many lives as possible with speed cameras.

The Dude
The Dude
1 year ago
Reply to  soren

Do the speed bumps earn revenue? Because the cameras do. Lots of it.

Lesley F.
Lesley F.
1 year ago
Reply to  The Dude

Not if the hooligans (that have been allowed to act without any consequences in Portland) cut the wires. Hard to control speeding and reckless driving if you don’t have a functioning society.