Abdulrahman Noorah, the 21 year-old man who hit Fallon Smart with his car by speeding recklessly down Southeast Hawthorne Boulevard in August 2016, is wanted by the authorities this morning after removing his GPS monitoring device.
Noorah was on house arrest awaiting trial on several felony warrants. He is charged with Reckless Driving, Failure to perform duties of a driver (hit-and-run), Manslaughter in the First Degree and three counts of Reckless Endangerment. Noorah posted $100,000 bail (10 percent of the full amount) after his arrest last August and had been enlisted in the Multnomah County Sheriff Department’s Pretrial Services Program.
Crimestoppers Oregon announced yesterday that Noorah had removed his electronic monitoring device over the weekend. Here’s more from the official notice:
Investigators are concerned that Noorah may be experiencing a mental health crisis as a result of the arrest and pending trial.
Noorah is described as a Saudi Arabian male, 6’0″ tall, and 150 pounds. His last known location was in the area of Southeast 106th Avenue and Division Street.
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In addition to a suspected mental health crisis, it’s likely that Noorah is simply running away from his responsibilities as a driver. His past behavior shows that he has no respect for the law and should not even have had the privilege of driving. According to to court records, he has had about 16 parking citations since March 2015 — including several for not having license plates, parking in a loading zone, and lack of a proper permit. He appeared in court for his tickets three times between October 2015 and May 2016 Noorah was driving on suspended license when he hit Smart.
Noorah hit Smart as she attempted to walk across Hawthorne Blvd. Her death sparked community protests and led to a road redesign.
According to news reports, Noorah is a native of Saudi Arabia and was in the U.S. on a student visa.
— Jonathan Maus: (503) 706-8804, @jonathan_maus on Twitter and jonathan@bikeportland.org
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It is interesting that—if memory serves me—someone here in the bikeportland comments of one of the original articles on Noorah’s situation predicted this.
*cough cough*
Several of us were saying this, and most of the comments were deleted.
yep. and I will continue to delete any comments that I feel are inappropriate and/or based solely on Mr. Noorah’s race/appearance/nationality, and so on.
While some of the comments may have been inappropriate I think it is just common sense that someone who is a citizen of another country with no real ties to the US is more likely to flee prosecution than someone who is a citizen of the US with many local ties. Saudi Arabia has no extradition treaty with the US, it seems like if he were able to get back there he would permanently elude prosecution for his crimes.
Bjorn,
I would never withhold/censor/moderate/delete a comment simply because it shares information like that. People can make those points without resorting to what I deem inappropriate language or tone.
Interesting to see that in Saudi Arabia he might have had substantially more serious punishment than what he faced here: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/28/saudi-man-sentenced-to-beheading-by-sword-for-joyriding-deaths/
sad to read about states with maximum jail sentences for vehicular manslaughter… Alabama is where you want to drive to kill…
And there is an established pattern of wealthy Saudi’s fleeing prosecution. Those of us that raised concerns in the previous article were basing our concerns on these known patterns. If the French or Swedes had the same history, we would have raised concerns in that situation as well.
And if the guy was a Frenchman or Swede there would have been no censorship.
Nobody would have said it if the guy was from Sweden. It’s too cold there. Nobody would ever flee to Sweden.
Maybe I missed some really horrible comments, they were gone before I saw them, but sometimes ugly statements can be right, and that sucks. It’s an ugly world out there.
HL,
Got that right. Liberal media will rarely if every face the truth on these issues; just as they can’t face the truth that T beat C fair and square. But the voters have figured that out and are starting to wake up despite the coverups of the liberal media.
yep, I heard it was a landslide, biggest margin ever once you factor in all the voter fraud.
{do I really need add a little winky-dink 😉 here to denote sarcasm…?}
BP is the liberal media? and Jonathan can’t accept that T beat C? you really lost me there…
The majority of people who visit this site are Progressives, and people tend to gravitate towards information that supports their views.
Certain news sources are simply more credible than others: The New York Times, NPR, The Economist vs. Breitbart, Fox, and Infowars.
more credible, sure; but why doesn’t your list include any sincere, independent, non-corporate media?
The NYT and NPR, to pick two from your list, are dreadful in their obeisance to the powerful and the monied; always and only publishing predictably center-right mush or human interest stories, while, for example, trashing Sanders, the Palestinians, anti-war perspectives, and anything remotely left of center.
I was going for credible, not perspective. The editorial pages of the Economist are consistently to the right, but when they report something, you can be pretty sure it’s what happened. And if they goof, they admit it quickly and prominently.
Contrast that with the “non-credible” sources I listed.
“And if they goof, they admit it quickly and prominently.”
I’m not too familiar with how the Economist works—will take your word for it—but for NPR and the NYT this would not be a fair or accurate statement. If you doubt this, visit fair.org
I skimmed over the fair.org section for NPR in 2017, and saw some complaints, but none seemed to involve not admitting error. No news organization is perfect, left or right, and I don’t expect that. What I do expect is integrity.
I don’t think our politics could be farther apart so I’m not sure how I feel about you and I agreeing about what I said. In addition to it being an ugly world out there, it’s sometimes also crazy.
Voters have figured it out….
Trump has a 60% Disapproval rating.
You are correct.
I agree Huey lewis,
But as owner of this space, I have to find the difficult balance of ugliness and valuable information. I am not perfect. I am always open to feedback and I am always learning and evolving. Thanks.
I think you do a pretty great job here and I don’t envy you. I’m not sure what I’d do in your shoes. If I think you slip up in the future I’ll be sure to call you out a bit. Heh.
I’m curious why the comment associating him with the 9/11 attacks doesn’t appear to meet this standard.
Yep. Right after the accident, when we basically just knew the guy’s name and make of car, I successfully predicted:
1) The guy’s nationality
2) What he was doing in Portland
3) That his embassy would bail him out of jail, and
4) That he would flee, once out of jail.
A regular poster here called me a racist for making these predictions.
My comment was subsequently deleted – the comment calling me a racist was retained.
It’s their website so they dont’ have to, but I would recommend site administrators visit websites that allow more freedom of speech. Yes, much of it is offensive to liberals – but how can liberals understand the world they live in and make good choices if they never get out of their liberal bubble and hear opposing viewpoints? They can’t.
what’s with the liberal use of labels? how much freedom of speech is enough for an anti-liberal? we don’t want this place turning into 4chan, which is the only site I can remember that allowed true freedom of speech…
So… is bikeportland.org against true freedom of speech?
The message boards are moderated.
What even is “true freedom of speech”?
If it’s the right to say whatever you want, wherever you want, than I am very much against that.
The concept of freedom of speech is complicated and messy.
This is a private website and I am the owner. As such, I will always take steps to moderate what I think is speech that is detrimental to my business. It’s an imperfect science; but it’s much better than the hands-off approach or just not allowing public input at all.
See OLive for the hands-off approach. It’s terrible.
Freedom of speech means you are free from having the government discriminate against you because of your viewpoint.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with your ability to use someone else’s platform in a way that they disapprove of.
https://www.xkcd.com/1357/
Hmm, yes, I recently read a very illuminating discussion by a group of middle-aged white folks who decided that there is no valid reason for anyone to be offended by the N-word. Apparently being offended by something is a weakness in your mind.
It’s the same reason why I occasionally go over to Fox News. I don’t agree with any of it and the comments are pretty appalling, but it also provides a good experience in how many people view liberals. Then I go to Huffington Post and see similar language (though not as bad) and realize both sides are capable of tunnel vision and hatred.
“both sides are capable of tunnel vision and hatred.”
Wait – Fox News and Huffington Post are on two ends of your spectrum?
https://bikeportland.org/2016/11/03/repeat-offender-who-drove-his-car-into-mitch-york-is-out-on-2000-bail-194700#comment-6723794
How was there even a bail for this? I thought people need to pay the full amount for the bail before they are released? More eyes on the street !
In his native country, he would have had a far worse punishment inflicted simply for driving if he was a woman.
Inaccurate (provide a source).
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-punishment-for-women-caught-driving-in-Saudi-Arabia
In Saudi Arabia, anyone killing a pedestrian might suffer a very severe penalty.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/29/punishment-for-fatal-accident-driver-will-be-executed/
My hosts and colleagues in Riyadh when I had to work over there.
That has indeed happened as it did to this woman – 10 lashes:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/28/saudi-woman-lashed-defying-driving-ban
It depends on your wealth and your connections.
Same as if you kill someone here.
Oregon has pretty rigid rules and guidelines for bail and has some limitations on a court outright denying bail, so it’s possible the circumstances of his crime mean a judge can set X amount of bail, but not more.
To get out, you need to pay 10% of the amount. If you disappear while on bail, the person who posted that 10% has to pay the remaining 90%. So his benefactor could be potentially be on the hook for a cool million.
Can the identity of the benefactor be made public legaly? Seems like that might be a good place to pick up the trail of this guy.
Good question. Never had to be bailed out; never bailed someone out.
It doesn’t seem like someone who looks like a Semitic Sideshow Bob can go unnoticed for long…..
In a just world, the judge would set a bail that approximates a damage award to the victim’s family, and would give the entire bail amount to the family should the accused skip bail.
In a just world, the justice system would operate independently of the victim. Bail is intended to ensure the accused shows up for their trial. Criminals are prosecuted by the state, not the victim. Restitution to the victim can sometimes be part of a sentence, but can also be pursued through a separate process.
It is my opinion that our justice system should be tilted heavily towards prevention and rehabilitation, and away from punishment and vengeance. I realize many disagree.
I think they’re going to have trouble with the civil case when this guy ends up back home and/or dead somewhere.
Fear of a strong punishment helps with prevention.
Sadly, evidence is somewhat mixed on that. It seems that stricter punishment, in the long run, might not reduce crime at all. Especially when it takes parents away from their children, leaving them at a higher risk of poverty. Poverty is one of the largest risk factors for future criminality in children. As for stricter punishment acting as a deterrent, my understanding is that that effect is fairly limited and the extra money we spend on incarceration could be more effectively spent on other prevention efforts.
It’s been suggested here that some people need to be physically separated from their vehicles. We have the technology to apply restrictions to our vehicles, but not the willpower to do it.
The 10% would be forfeit, and the accused in this case would owe the other 90%. If the person/entity putting up the 10% had offered a guarantee that he would appear, they might be on the hook for the 90%, however, in this case it is reported that the Saudi Embassy put up the 10%, as they have diplomatic/sovereign immunity the amount is not recoverable. The State Department fights tooth and nail to prevent state or local governments suing diplomatic missions. NYC can’t recover parking fines from the diplomats at the UN, and most private landlords in NYC refuse point blank to rent to diplomats because they can’t be sued for breach of lease.
9Watts, you are right. ICE needs to keep a watch out at the airports. Especially the private air traffic and corporate jets.
I assume ICE doesn’t police emigration, aside from encouraging it. U.S. Marshals? But he’s not a federal fugitive. I actually, don’t know what agency that would be–just TSA?
Is there a current photo? I remember this one from the time of arrest and I imagine he may have cut his hair since then.
I can only find photos of him with long hair…
Spineless coward. When was his next scheduled court appearance?
Call in Dog the Bounty Hunter!
“His past behavior shows that he has no respect for the law and should not even have had the privilege of driving …. Noorah was driving on suspended license when he hit Smart.”
Indeed. A lot of good that did.
I’m not sure how we actually prevent anyone who doesn’t have driving privileges from driving anyway. Our system for the distribution, attainment, and regulation of automobiles on the road is essentially non-existent and generally unenforced where it does exist.
Permanent confiscation of the vehicle they are driving might help dissuade them or anyone tempted to loan them a car. I realize that this doesn’t mesh with our current system, but seeing that asset forfeiture was so easy to make happen for our wrong-headed war on drugs, it’s not something that can’t happen. It’s just something that won’t happen given our car culture.
TLDR – Driving on a suspended license? Car is gone.
taking the car doesn’t help as you can get another cheap clunker on craigslist and keep driving… they need to regulate it better, so that if you sell a car to somebody then you have to confirm that they have a license or you’re liable for what they do… it’s a weapon and there should be consequences for selling one to somebody not licensed to operate it…
It’s a start, and it would help. It wouldn’t prevent all instances of people driving without a valid license, and nobody’s claiming it would.
“TLDR – Driving on a suspended license? Car is gone.”
San Francisco tried that years ago for people convicted of certain driving offenses.
There was immediate screaming because people would lend their cars to friends, and have their cars confiscated because their friend was stopped by the cops.
After all, there is no way a private citizen can run a DMV check to see if your friend’s license has been suspended.
I’ll guarantee you that if you implemented a policy like that, the people whose cars were confiscated because they let someone else drive them would skew heavily poor and minority.
you don’t need to run a DMV check, you just need to see that they’re carrying a valid license… not your problem if they still physically have their unexpired suspended license with them…
Is it your problem if they have a fake ID?
Sure. You’d get in trouble for selling booze to someone with a fake ID.
If he was here on a visa, does the hit-and-run crime and driving record crimes call for federal ICE enforcement to be involved now?
Nope. That would not be allowed by our 9th circuit court of appeals because of this:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Saudi-Arabia/Religion
Be careful what you wish for.
Yes it does! ICE is picking up and deporting hundreds of visa holders per day from Mexico and central America, including the middle east for very minor infractions to be deported. These infractions are from parking tickets or stop signs and greater offenses like 6 miles over the speed limit and burglery. I cannot figure out how ICE did not pick him up and send him to Cuba.
is he related to the House of Saud? if so, he is no longer in the country.
Any chance he was taking flying lessons? Seems like I remember some mischief that some Saudis got into a few years ago after learning to fly. What was that incident – can anyone remember or have we all forgotten already?
What possible connection does Noorah have with 9/11?
He was only 2 years old when it happened.
While you’re at it, you may as well connect Joel Schrantz to Timothy McVeigh.
Not everyone from Saudi Arabia is a terrorist. Not even most people. Hell, we’ve got more homegrown terrorism than foreign these days. Your comment is offensive.
The masses over at r/Portland are pretty convinced he’s already gone, spirited onto a private airplane or driven down to the Saudi consulate in LA for a new passport and a commercial flight home. $1M bail when you only have to put up 10% isn’t all that persuasive, apparently.
The masses over at Reddit have shown remarkable acumen at criminal investigation.
haha, very true. But still, there’s the wisdom of crowds.
There sure is. Our country as a long and storied history of meting out mob justice.
Wisdom of crowds? That’s a new one to me. Pretty sure there were tons of crowds that thought the earth was flat or that black people ought to be property. If anything, crowds are capable of even more stupidity than a single person. A single person doesn’t institutionalize inequality for instance. I’d be wary of listening to the crowd.
At the University of Oregon Saudi students buy brand new Corvettes when they enroll, drive the hell out of them, get ticketed (which they ignore), then simply disappear. Uncanny how these guys get away with stuff. Seems like they have some kind of Svengali lock on America’s psyche.
I’ll bet if there was ever a presidential candidate that proposed methods to reduce such incidents he’d be elected in a landslide.
We had a presidential candidate promise to do something about motor vehicle violence?
Just so we’re clear on your self-perceived cleverness: You do know your hero didn’t include Saudi Arabia in his ban?
It’s almost like our society is addicted to oil or something…
I doubt anyone would disagree that oil is critical for our economy and society.
Our current society/economy? Of course. But you will find plenty of people that disagree that it should be that way. Should we be ignoring our ethical principles in order to secure oil from the middle east? Because that’s exactly what we have been doing for decades.
I am among those who agree that we should be (much) less dependent on oil and other fossil fuels, and I strongly support imposing a carbon tax to help internalize some of the external costs of using those energy sources.
We should not ignore our ethical principles in order to secure oil or other resources from the Middle East or elsewhere. I realize “we” have done so in the past, and probably continue to do so today, though I’m not sure exactly who “we” is in this context. Is Exxon “we”? How about BP?
The US is, it should be noted, a net producer or oil, so we are not actually dependent on foreign sources. Much of the rest of the world, however, is.
That the US is a net exporter of petroleum is a common misconception. The US produces at its peak in 2016 – 9.63 million barrells of oil per day and consumed 19.63 million barrels per day. This balances with its net imports of about 10 million barrels per day. In some form or another the us exports 5 million barrels of petroleum products per day, but these are mostly excess petroleum liquids from natural gas production that are not suitable as fuel. If the U.S. had to exist on its own production of petroleum ( much of it low API shale oil with poor refinery yields) we would only be able to run the trucks, trains and airlines and no fuel would be availible to run private automobiles, pickups or SUV’s. So if tommorow the Saudi’s, Iranians, Nigerians and Russians cut us off we would all be on bikes.
thanks, bikeninja. Was just going to respond.
Those same people complaining likely get their Apple products made from near slave labor conditions.
That’s why I don’t buy anything. I wouldn’t want someone on the internet to call me a hypocrite.
Oh, I thought you were just a cheapskate, like me.
I got past that a while ago. Nobody is ideologically pure and is on some level a hypocrite about something.
oh no, not a mental health crisis. sucks feeling responsible for willfully killing a teenager simply trying to cross a street legally. a mental health crisis seems the least that should happen to him.
He willfully killed Smart? Are you sure about that? He was no doubt careless, negligent, and reckless, but I’m not sure the killing was intentional.
No, just willfully operating a motor vehicle with a suspended license, driving recklessly through a populated area, leaving her to die, removing his tracker and then skipping bail. Other than that, total accident. Oopsie.
Yes; driving with suspended license, driving recklessly, leaving the scene, removing his tracker, and skipping bail were all willful acts.
Yes, he did all of those things willfully. I don’t recall HK writing it was an accident though.
What do you think, HK? Was this an accident?
I believe Fallon’s death was unintentional, but unsurprising. I believe Noorah simply did not consider the consequences of his actions. I do not in think he intended to injure or kill, and that’s why I think “willful” is an inaccurate description, but his choice to drive in the manner he did was clearly intentional. Noorah is fully culpable for the consequences of his actions.
With hit & runs on the rise, I think we ought to start categorizing them more strongly than just ‘leaving the scene’. Leaving the scene is what I do when I’m tired of being at a party. What happened here is more like pulling the plug on someone’s life support and then running away, instead of trying to plug it back in or call for help.
If you call it “pulling the plug”, no one will know what you’re talking about.
Crash, not accident.
what’s about the only outcome of such action?
The “mental health crisis” thing is weird. Is there really any basis for thinking that? Occam’s Razor says that he cut off his tracker so he could flee the country, not that he had a psychotic break but somehow remembered nonetheless to cut off his tracker before wandering the streets in a fugue state. Wonder if there’s more information that law enforcement is not sharing.
Not uncommon at all for people on house arrest to cut off the monitor and commit suicide. I had an acquaintance in high school do it and currently work in the mental health field and have seen it multiple times. My guess is that he is alive but you are correct that there may be information not being shared.
I have an idea, if this guys has left the country we can start our own new reality show with an even more effective star than that guy from Hawaii. The show would be a big hit around the world and Noorah would certainly be brought to justice. It would be called Putin the Bounty Hunter.
And Steven Segal could be his sidekick.
There is a pretty good chance that he’s no longer in Oregon, or even the USA. You don’t need a passport to get on a private plane. It is entirely feasible that his wealthy family paid some kind of private security company to spirit him out of the country and back to Saudi Arabia. If planned properly, he could have been on a plane out of the USA before the PPB/Multnomah County Sheriff got their act together. I think that the state should change the legislation relating to bonds, so that only entities that can be sued in the USA can put up a bond (not foreign embassies) or they put up the full amount of the bond. In cases where there is a really strong flight risk, bail should not be allowed.
I have a friend who worked at a diplomatic mission in Singapore in the 1990’s, every foreigner was considered a flight risk and was held in custody until trial, regardless of the crime, whether it was public drunkenness, theft, narcotics smuggling or murder (the latter two being capital crimes, bail was a non-issue).
We can blame Bush and Cheney for getting this whole “Saudis leaving the country on the sly thing going.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/10/saving-the-saudis-200310
or we can blame not putting giant penalties on hit-and-runs, no bail for this kind of crime
Bingo. If you’ve committed a hit and run, we already KNOW you are a flight risk.
Okay, so he is (predictably) on the run. Can we talk about his fellow countrymen here on similar “cultural ambassador” visas. Attending low level courses (and failing) at low level public colleges. I sold pot to many of them when I first moved to town. Aside from constant requests for Hash, they would always ask for weapons. They don’t learn the language after years spent here for that purpose. They create networks of military aged men with burner phones lurking around the city. And they are attracted to bringing muscle cars downtown to cruise (almost always featuring wildly unsafe driving) for women, because that is the only way they get laid in Saudi.
I’ve seen them taken away from PSU dorms in handcuffs with the police saying “well, that’s not what she says”. Creepy!
What can we do about a specific group of immigrants (who would not suffer a drop in their standard of living if sent home) that has so many bad actors AND seemingly endless resources for defeating our justice system?
How do we know if a particular person is a member of this group of bad actors? I get a tad uncomfortable labeling someone as “bad” because of their nationality or cultural background. People are individuals, and should be treated/judged as such.
I’ll note that I’ve made this exact argument to people like Adam H. when arguing against a very different viewpoint.
People are not defined by their groups. Period.
I predicted someone like him would do something like this, from what I learned about the attitudes of a specific group of young men from a specific class originating from a specific nation. I was not surprised when it happend (aside from the fact that it wasn’t a mustang).
It’s my suspicion that something like this will happen again, and my hope that this community has been spoken to in the wake of this incident. The donuts they still do outside the gas station in 4th Ave. says even if they have it didn’t take.
how about single individuals who kill innocent teenagers trying to walk across a road? are they bad?
Single individuals who kill innocent teenagers trying to walk across a road are bad.
There’s nothing wrong with hash, don’t make it sound like there is.
I would presume someone is checking the nearest Saudi embassy, but I could be wrong.
If the Saudi government has decided to aid his escape, I don’t think US law enforcement really gets to check the nearest embassy…might be the same thing with a consulate too, I’m not sure.
Could keep him bottled up there like Julian Assange though.
Yes the bail bond company may want to camp out at: the Saudi Consulate: 2045 Sawtelle Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90025…convenient to a harbor and the maritime Mexico border…assuming he was not already on a private jet to a friendly third county for refuelling, as from the Hillsboro airport etc. (as others have suggested).
hit-and-runs need to stop and murder is murder. 🙁 how did this guy even get set free?
Was the judge required to offer bail even though he was an extreme flight risk? And what’s the point of accepting bail from the embassy if the court cant collet when he jumps?
No, the judge was not required to offer bail. Here are some facts that our family feels can and should be made public now, written by my brother-in-law and Fallon’s uncle, Shane.
“Our family got some very bad news today. Below is a list of facts I think the public now needs to be aware of:
• From day 1, our family objected to a bail because of things known about Abdulrahman Noorah that made us believe he was a flight risk
• The deputy district attorney representing the state’s case against Abdulrahman Noorah expressed our objection of allowing a bail and house arrest to the presiding Judge
• A ‘Closed Street Supervision’ report was completed by a CSS officer, which evaluates the circumstances of a person who has had charges brought against them and recommends to the court if they should be released on bail and placed under house arrest based on their findings of ‘flight risk’. The report on Abdulrahman Noorah found that he WAS a flight risk and recommended he should not be allowed bail
• After our family objections and the recommendation from the CSS report, the presiding Judge still allowed $100,000.00 bail and him to be release on house arrest until trial
• A week or so after that order was signed by the presiding Judge, ANOTHER Judge took it upon themselves to sign an order reducing the bail from $100,000.00 to $20,000.00 and didn’t inform anyone (it was done ex parte, no legal representation from the state on behalf of Fallon’s family). We only found out about this because it caused confusion when Abdulrahman Noorah’s lawyer brought a check to post bail and it was for the wrong amount. We were then able to get another Judge to change it back to $100,000.00 bail.
• Abdulrahman Noorah’s living expenses of almost $1900.00 a month has been provided by the Saudi Arabian government since 2014
• Abdulrahman Noorah’s legal counsel was retained and paid for by the Saudi Arabian consulate
• Abdulrahman Noorah’s $100,000.00 bail was paid for by the Saudi Arabian consulate
• Abdulrahman Noorah has now disappeared and we can only assume trying to return to his home country to evade paying for what he did to my sweet niece
It seems to me, based on previous facts and strange occurrences, there are strings being pulled for this man. I am not making accusations, but am simply stating facts, and what one might speculate based on those facts.
Please share this post (include my comments please, not just the link to the news article) and the below news article publicly and get his face known at a national level. He needs to be re-apprehended and pay for his crime.
#justiceforfallon “
These revelations are truly stunning. If we have allowed our addiction to petroleum to control us so completly that we have allowed a medieval desert kingdom to corrupt the american justice system to this extent then we have really fallen down the rabbit hole.
Before you start fretting about the depth of corruption on display here, you might want to look for some evidence of actual corruption. Ask questions, sure, but we’re not exactly down a rabbit hole of perversions of justice being directed by wealthy sultans in faraway desert kingdoms.
Is it standard practice for one judge to reduce bail set by another? I don’t know, and I’m willing to wager you don’t either. None of the other items seem at all nefarious.
So let’s slow down a little and gather some facts. The illuminatis may not yet have arisen.
The corruption is pretty clear, not sure why you don’t see it…
Everything bought and paid for, including justice..
What facts would you gather? Do you think that the people who pulled these strings are going the just to hand over all the details to the nearest reporter. The only remote chance of getting the truth would be direct pressure and protest, and a good investigative reporter.
In a ranking of flight risks, he would likely be right near the top, with vast wealth and connections at his disposal, and an actual place to go outside the country. Yet the judges were practically tripping over each other to get him released on bail, and at such a obviously trivial amount compared the resources he had available. This would be like setting bail for the average Portland resident at just a few dollars. Its so obviously not right that I think accusations are warranted unless answers from the authorities are forthcoming.
What strings, exactly, were pulled? Before I would even consider a conspiracy, I’d need to consider more banal explanations. We don’t even know if the judge(s) did anything unusual in this case, not to mention outside the bounds of reasonable behavior. I love a juicy conspiracy as much as the next person, but we don’t even really know the basic facts yet.
The idea that Noorah fled the country is plausible (which doesn’t mean it happened), but that’s about as far as I’ll go until I learn more.
It could just be because he committed his crimes from behind a windshield. There’s a lot of leniency in our country for that.
Res ipsa loquitur. In the common law of torts, res ipsa loquitur (Latin for “the thing speaks for itself” There are only two explanations for this, stupidity and corruption.
never presume a conspiracy where laziness or incompetence will suffice.
You might also consider standard practice for first time offenders, unless you think all acts that end in death should be treated the same and without mercy.
“Noorah was driving with a suspended license, police said. Court records show he has 17 parking violations and one charge of driving with a suspended license in April.”
It wouldn’t surprise me that the court thinks of him as a first-time offender, but I sure don’t think of him that way. He was ordered not to drive and it’s safe to presume that he willfully went against that order many times, and was caught twice.
“we have allowed a medieval desert kingdom to corrupt the american justice system”
We’re not discussing the “American justice system” here – we are discussing the Oregon court system, specifically the Multnomah County courts.
If you think the Multnomah County courts have been hopelessly corrupted by Saudi petrodollars, shouldn’t you warn Governor Brown or something?
More likely these judges got a tap on the shoulder from someone in the state department who explained to them how things work in dealing with people on the “VIP” list. I doubt bribes or money changed hands, just a nudge to toe the line from shadowy figures high up in the federal govenment.
It was Jim Comey.
I find it sad you would plead to insure your comment remain posted. Thanks for sharing what you know, and letting the community hear from you. You have my deepest sympathy in regards to your niece.
I’m usually not of a vigilant mindset, as it seems to provoke the worst in people, but there was a time in my life when I would call my old scooter trash buddies for things like this. If the sheriff won’t find him, someone should. He’s gonna run, and his home country is paying for it.
vigilant is great, but we quickly get into trouble as soon as you add an ‘e’.
vigilant ≠ vigilante
Is this really the most recent photo we have of this guy? I’m guessing he could have changed his appearance significantly in the last year.
Probably just choked on a soda and it dripped on the GPS.
Yes, the [historic] poor state of motorist education and traffic safety attitudes in the Gulf nations and also the KSA is well researched (and personally observed in my roadway safety audit work overseas).
One of many such studies:
Attitudes and behaviors towards risky driving among adolescents in Saudi Arabia (2016)
“Nearly 40% of the students surveyed reported engaging in the risky driving behavior called ‘Tafheet’. Fifty-one percent of those who engage in dangerous activities also reported engaging in Tafheet. A higher proportion (70%) among those who believe Tafheet is a talent or a cool activity also engaged in Tafheet.” Many researchers recommend: ‘A curriculum of structured and stringent driving curriculum in school settings is needed to change a culture of risky driving is currently non-existent in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA).’
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352646716300035
http://www.scielo.br/pdf/jtl/v10n3/2238-1031-jtl-10-03-0025.pdf
etc…
…and it should behoove any Oregon (and US) educational institution marketing to these countries to provide a cultural road safety training course in the first semester for any international student seeking a campus parking permit, assuming they wish for these students to successfully matriculate…
Just search in Youtube for “tafheet saudi arabia”
In the videos labelled with fatals…its sad that no one seems to be wearing the very available seatbelts vs the Drivers Ed films we saw showing the wrecks of our parents/ grandparents ‘need for speed’ era…
This case is 100% predictable. In 2016 ONLY ONE MAN, out of 20+ presidential candidates, said: “I want to stop people coming here who don’t love our country and our people.” Liberals became unhinged from that point until this very day. Liberals own this incident and many others far, far worse than this and we have not seen the last of it; we probably haven’t even seen the beginning of it. OWN IT!
Yeah, like this guy!
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2016/07/kalamazoo_bicycling_crash_susp.html
and this guy!
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2017-05-29/1-man-killed-after-pickup-drives-over-angry-campers
So glad we finally have someone cracking down on crazy white guys in cars.
Old white guy shoots at congress this morning.
Do you OWN this?
UPS shooting today too. Argh.
What the hell are you talking about? He was here on a student visa. Legally. There’s nothing to “own” except for him taking responsibility for his horrendous actions.
h e’ s a t r o l l
his username gives the game away
Oh. And what did he do about people coming here legally from Saudi Arabia?
WTF are you babbling on about?
liberals made him drive his car down hawthorne at 60+mph and kill a pedestrian? those are some long arms dude, because that is one hell of a stretch.
Yeah, but Saudi Arabia wasn’t on the list of Islamic countries covered by the travel ban.
Imagine if he was a homosexual woman driving a car in saudi arabia he would be thrown off a building or beheaded. why no travel ban for saudis?
And if he had a bible and a kilo of coke, the punishment would be really harsh!
In America, he’d actually lose his car for the drugs…
Not sure about Oregon, but in many states he could not get bail without surrendering his passport. It is possible that the Saudi Embassy might issue him a replacement passport, but perhaps not if he showed up with an ankle monitor. Plus his name had been in the news, so they would be aware that they were aiding a fugitive. I suppose the question is “Do the Saudis care?”
Just to clarify, he WAS required to turn over his passport as a condition of his release.
Interesting that the only news or action of notification was 4 seconds on channel 8 and here about Noorhan. apparently motorists killing a pedestrian, getting out on bail and skipping the country, is not as newsworthy as a malcontent wounding someone at a ballpark. 3 killed in Calif almost did not make the news.
Did he leave the country? It’s possible. Either way, is it really surprising that an assassination attempt on our government leaders is deemed more important than a reckless driver fleeing his trial?
lots of news outlets have covered it…
The only response from law enforcement in this case is “He’s gone?”
Wow, thought I’d wandered into the Oregonian comments for a second.
JL,
Nah, probably just read some comment by a red-blooded patriot who believes in USA FIRST!
I think you got lost on your way to the coal rolling forums. Regardless, welcome to BikePortland! Stick around, you might learn something. 🙂
Why was he not in ICE lock-up pending trial?
Because he was here legally?
Yes, but he committed a crime. Just like many others this last month or 2. If you are here on a visa and get a parking ticket you are deported after 3 weeks in a lockup where not even a lawyer can get to you.
Any update ?
https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/12/9b5b1eff724150/he-was-accused-of-killing-a-po.html