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  1. Comment by Matt S. June 3, 2020 @ 12:52 pm | Link

    I did exactly just that. I applied, got hired, and went through absolute hell for 18 months until I pulled the plug. The community policing rhetoric you here from the top brass does not translate to the patrol officers. There are a lot of good cops, but so many that are jaded, feel trapped because of how their pension is funded, have absolute disdain for Portland city government, are overworked, and generally stressed out to the max. I thought I could have been part of a new wave of police officers to help create change, I was wrong. I wouldn’t wish the job upon anyone with the way the current culture is. I’m now part of the carpenter union and my life is a 1000, million times better!!!!

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  2. Comment by Todd June 3, 2020 @ 12:39 pm | Link

    One emerging issue is the long term health impact of exposure to burning plastics and other man made materials that fire fighters are exposed to even with artificial respirators...

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  3. Comment by Hello, Kitty June 3, 2020 @ 12:25 pm | Link

    In Oregon, and many other states, people are automatically registered to vote when they get their driver's license (even if they aren't yet 18), and there are plenty of opportunities to do so in school (or on campus), so inability to get registered is not likely a widespread issue. (I would gladly consider evidence to the contrary -- I want registration to be effortless and as automatic as possible.)

    The barriers you describe seem really quite low, especially for someone who has managed to get into college. I feel like you are saying that if voting takes any effort at all, it's too much to expect a young person to do. I'm saying if you want to change the world, voting is about the most effortless tool you've got, and if that's too much work, you probably don't really want change all that badly.

    But I do want to be clear that I am totally in favor of almost anything that lowers barriers to participation.

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  4. Comment by Toby Keith June 3, 2020 @ 12:25 pm | Link

    "defenseless Portlanders". Oh please.

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  5. Comment by cmh89 June 3, 2020 @ 12:24 pm | Link

    You can apply, but decent people get rejected for PPB all the time. Comments like yours always assume that good people don't want to be cops. Good people are either rejected outright or quit after working in a completely toxic, racist environment for a few years.

    An organization that is rotten from the top down needs to be destroyed, not reformed.

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  6. Comment by Toby Keith June 3, 2020 @ 12:22 pm | Link

    Nice click bait without giving any real viable alternative.

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  7. Comment by JeffP June 3, 2020 @ 12:22 pm | Link

    Poorly worded title IMO.

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  8. Comment by qqq June 3, 2020 @ 12:15 pm | Link

    I heard from someone who did apply that the fact that they'd acknowledged buying a legal pot edible from a legal pot shop was going to be an issue--perhaps disqualifying. I don't know if that's true, or maybe was but isn't anymore. Maybe it's true and people who did get accepted either lied or they don't use pot products.

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  9. Comment by Kyle Banerjee June 3, 2020 @ 12:11 pm | Link

    Even if we need a totally different approach, we need a viable way to get there.

    The "throw the bums" out method sounds attractive, but it's totally unrealistic because the transition requires leveraging expertise they have while working out the kinks as the new way is built.

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  10. Comment by LK June 3, 2020 @ 12:02 pm | Link

    You are naive if you think the police can be changed from within. Police culture is rotten to the core, and officers who have tried to change it have been forced out, or worse. Look up Adrian Schoolcraft.

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  11. Comment by Alex Reedin June 3, 2020 @ 11:59 am | Link

    Teens have a whole different set of barriers to voting, by the way. Starting with registration - non-teens are likely to have the benefit of a prior registration still being valid if they haven’t moved; teens are unlikely to. Non-teens are likely to own their own cars or if not, to have moved to a location from which it is easier to get around without a car; teens are unlikely to (did you know that a majority of Oregon ballots are dropped off in person?) A good number of teens are resident college students, which presents barriers (a lot of states & college towns intentionally make it hard for resident college students to vote, plus there’s just the friction of figuring out where one is even supposed to vote - at home or at college). I would add that teens at home may not have had to develop the habit of getting and dealing with one’s mail.

    So... again, not just laziness and apathy. Not by a long shot.

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  12. Comment by dwk June 3, 2020 @ 11:59 am | Link

    very fine people on both sides...

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  13. Comment by Jonathan Maus (Publisher/Editor) June 3, 2020 @ 11:55 am | Link

    I used to think that. But I don't anymore. The entire policing system is rotten and broken and we need a totally different approach.

    I like the vibe coming from Minneapolis about disbanding the police and starting over.

    I think anyone interested in this type of public service would be wise to wait a bit while we get this figured out and apply to work with the new Community Safety and Health Team (or whatever it ends up being called).

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  14. Comment by Chris I June 3, 2020 @ 11:54 am | Link

    Citation needed.

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  15. Comment by Chris I June 3, 2020 @ 11:54 am | Link

    Why be a cop when you can get paid the same amount to be a firefighter?

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  16. Comment by Alex Reedin June 3, 2020 @ 11:42 am | Link

    No, I think the most realistic theory of change is to beg liberal people with time and/or money (who are disproportionately older) to donate those resources extensively this election cycle, say 10x more than in previous cycles. Those resources can directly or indirectly reach people who didn’t vote in previous cycles. The money can amplify the message that voting is insanely important far beyond anything any of us can do on our own on the Internets. At this point in the cycle, the message is, “Trump puts this country in danger. Donate donate donate! Volunteer volunteer volunteer!” In October, yes, it’s reminders to register to vote/vote absentee, fill out your ballot, send it in, etc. But right now we need a different message targeted to a different audience.

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  17. Comment by Middle of the Road Guy June 3, 2020 @ 11:39 am | Link

    No, we just need better police.

    I encourage everyone who wants to make a change to apply for those jobs.

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  18. Comment by Kana O. June 3, 2020 @ 11:36 am | Link

    Mmm, I'm much more interested in getting the police and justice system to comply with the social contract we've all signed (all equal under the law, due process, innocent until proven otherwise) but that they keep violating (or selectively enforcing based on identity) than I am holding some knuckleheads accountable, especially given that our criminal justice system leaves no one better off—not the criminal, their community, society, nor the taxpayer.

    Luckily (and like you say), this last several years of seems to be having impact.

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  19. Comment by LK June 3, 2020 @ 11:06 am | Link

    We need to defund and disarm the police. They are the greatest perpetrators of violence in our communities by far. City Council is negotiating a new police contract RIGHT NOW. Contact every member of the city council and tell them we will not abide by the status quo any longer. Defund and disarm.

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  20. Comment by John Lascurettes June 3, 2020 @ 10:53 am | Link

    I figured that was probably the unfortunate reality of the situation. Well, I hope she's able to recover it one way or another later — it's certainly less of a priority than her life and safety.

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  21. Comment by cmh89 June 3, 2020 @ 10:36 am | Link

    Hopefully this underscores for road safety advocates that police are part of the problem, not part of the solution. We can't rely on cops who speed themselves, on and off-duty, to keep our streets safe. We need to build our road environment to make it impossible to speed because the people who are in charge of enforcing the laws are more than willing to break them up when they feel like it.

    It's time to defund PPB and put that money towards constructive uses. Road work, unarmed community policing, and speed cameras are the future.

    Police are not our friends, they are not our advocates. They are organized crime.

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  22. Comment by Hello, Kitty June 3, 2020 @ 10:35 am | Link

    Most teens are not busy parenting, don't need an expensive car to vote (in Oregon, at least), and probably aren't overly consumed by DIY projects. Many still live at home. And while I agree that vote by mail/absentee ballots may be part of the solution, the Oregonian reported that only 1 in 3 Oregon teens eligible to vote in 2018 did so, even with universal vote-by-mail.

    I don't see the structural barriers that prevented the other 2/3 from participating. It's far easier than getting a driver's license. Heck, it's easier than passing a math test, something we ask every Oregon teen to do. Young people are not helpless.

    You present two options: 1) Get more young people to vote; or 2) Beg older people to vote differently. Do you really think the second is the easier path?

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  23. Comment by dwk June 3, 2020 @ 10:29 am | Link

    very fine people on both sides.....

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  24. Comment by Middle of the Road Guy June 3, 2020 @ 10:20 am | Link

    Why the heck would anyone downvote Kana's response?

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  25. Comment by Middle of the Road Guy June 3, 2020 @ 10:13 am | Link

    He will have a different opinion when it is his house that gets looted.

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