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Old 05-30-2008, 03:39 PM
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i've heard this same thing (about him being a danger to bike riders) before. i agree that he creates a bit of a hazard but I've always just tried to go with the flow.. .but reading this thread makes me think he really should move just a bit.

i should head out there with my camera right now...
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Old 06-02-2008, 05:55 AM
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Not mean to crash the party. However, since the guy shows up several year back, I found it easier to cross the on-ramp from the Madison St.

In the past, almost always (when I past there anyway), cars would stop right on the crossing bike lane to check the traffic. After the guy start showing up, I found that cars stop after the bike lane and I have easier time to cross. Is it just a coincidence? Looks like some of you have totally different perceptions.

Anyway, just my 0.02. Your mileages may vary.

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Tao - Are you on the roadway or the sidewalk when you cross the ramp? I looked a little closer yesterday, and see that if you are on the sidewalk along Madison, then there is a marked crosswalk that would end up crossing just behind a car trying to enter traffic. I've always stayed on the roadway, forcing me to cross ahead of the merging traffic. Maybe I need to figure out how to get on the sidewalk sooner, but I do see most bike traffic on the roadway.

You can see it if you use Google Maps to zoom in on the intersection - the crosswalk earlier on the ramp, the Madison bike lane going around the front of the ramp, and the little triangle the guy sits on:
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Old 06-02-2008, 06:44 AM
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You can see it if you use Google Maps to zoom in on the intersection - the crosswalk earlier on the ramp, the Madison bike lane going around the front of the ramp, and the little triangle the guy sits on:
And is that him in the image? There is somebody there where he sits. And if you can imagine merging onto the bridge in a motor vehicle looking back over your left shoulder, he's right about where, in your field of vision, a bicyclist would be approaching if riding eastbound in the bike lane.
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:48 AM
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I didn't even notice that, it totally looks like it could be him. He does wear a white suit and hat...
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:47 PM
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Brock - I was talking about riding in the bike lane trying to get on the sidewalk of the bridge via the dotted line (Where a truck is merging into the bridge in the picture).

I always ride slowly whenever I pass there (from Madison or Water Front Park). One thing I learned from others on this forum and my own experiences is ALWAYS assume the motorist does not see you.

On the other hand, if this guy is causing hazardous condition someone needs to talk to him nicely. Two things are my little head: 1) Does he has every right to be there? 2) How do we prove he is causing issue?

I have no clue about #1 and I will not be able to prove #2 personally. As a cyclist who rides through there very frequently, I always stop before the stop sign and make sure that there's no cyclist or pedestrian coming from the Madison St. before I merge into the bridge.

I am not related to the guy and don't get any share of his earning, nor am I trying to defending him. (Perhaps Jonathan is editing his story right now.)

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Old 06-02-2008, 01:55 PM
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Tao: If you are on the roadway (or the Madison bike lane, the left hand side of which is dashed for crossing traffic as in the picture) getting onto the bridge sidewalk, then I'm confused by your description. For a motorist to pull far enough forward for a cyclist to pass behind them, they would already be in the lane. I think the van in the picture shows that very well - he's already entering the lane, but there's not yet room behind him.

But where is there a stop sign? There is not a stop for eastbound Hawthorne traffic entering from Madison, for the vehicle or the bike lane. So maybe something is getting lost in translation here...

And for the record, in my 20+ of riding my bicycle in traffic, I always make the same assumption - that I'm invisible to motorists. This is also an intersection that I pass very slowly and with care. Even without the guy sitting there, I think this is a dangerous spot and should be controlled with a light.

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Old 06-03-2008, 02:01 PM
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Sorry about the bad English. Regarding the stop sign, I meant the one on the ramp and the action meant what I did when driving a car to get on the bridge from Naito.

I rode through there from Madison yesterday around 6:00 pm. It was raining and the guy was there. The lady stopped at the stop sign had no problem seeing me, probably because of the flashing MiNewt.X2 on my bike.

I agree it is a dangerous spot. That's why I prefer to get on the bridge from the Water Front Park on dry days. My route requires me to cross the light rail tracks on a steep slope (Harrison between First and Naito), crashed once on a raniny day.

Anyway, I guess the idea I have been trying to convey is: Is the danger caused by a bad engineering combined with bad driving habits and the guy just happen to be there and got the blame? Or is it because the guy is blocking the field of vision of the motorist?
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Old 06-03-2008, 02:16 PM
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I know he may not be in the best place, but I sure do like that I know I can always count on seeing at least one smile on my ride home.
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Old 06-03-2008, 02:39 PM
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Tao - That is the crux I guess. I think it's some of both - bad engineering and that he's blocking the field of vision. The more I think about it, I'm willing to concede that it's more the engineering. I don't recall any bad motorist behavior here, as the intersection is a bit blind and no motorist wants to get slammed by a bus, but I'm sure it happens. With his elaborate routines, I'd also worry about him being a bit of a distraction.

But yeah, it is nice to see a smile, he does sure have a unique thing going on...

Maybe I just need to chill out and pick another way. Though I've been crossing the Hawthorne lately so I can come up the Eastbank, roll slow, take it easy, and absorb all of the bike love and smiles
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:33 AM
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Brock - I think you hit it on two accounts:

1) Driver behavior - I think the majority of folks drive that way daily and they expect bikes to be coming. He's become part of the intersection.

2) We can slow down and enjoy it! Well we'll have to educate some of the new and old riders that it's OK to ease up on the Hawthorne and enjoy the ride - one big problem I see is the competitiveness that seeps in with riders acting like they must do whatever it takes to "go their pace" even if it means passing on the RT, slamming into pedestrians, etc.

Some cyclists exhibit road rage behavior at that point - automatically assuming everyone is dumber and slower than them and only they truly know how to ride properly. The rest of us are simply weak - we couldn't possibly be slowing down for any good reason and therefore must be "dropped" in the "race."

What a nice fantasy for some!
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