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So this story is second hand, but I think it bears retelling because it leads me to s question that is on my mind:
Yesterday my exwife wal leaving our sons school downtown onto a one way street. The parking lot exit restricts visability of the sidewalk until you pull out a little. She said that she looked down the street and then up the sidewalk as she pulled out when bike-rider (she described him as a commuter on spendy bike wearing yellow and a helmet) came down the sidewalk (against traffic) and came close to colliding with her car (which she stopped fearing said collision.).. The biker started hitting her car and calling her names (including the "C" word, with three kids in the car... langauge dude.). My son (12) calmly rolled down the windows and said "sidewalks are for kids dude, I know how to ride on the street." So my question: in an urban area (the school is near 21st NW) what is the rule for sidewalk riding? I will often cruise up on a sidewalk within the block of my destination, but definetly slow down, look out for cross traffic. Now my ex wife isnt perfect, but she is a pretty aware and considerate driver (I have known her for 15 years now, and she has never had an accident or a ticket), and she keeps an eye out for bikes (she knows I am out there and likes to collect child support regularly *) , and if that surprised her, I would say that speeding down the sidewalk agains the flow of traffic sounds like a risky idea...*so please dont tell her my life insurance is more than she would get in CS! Last edited by K'Tesh; 03-13-2008 at 11:37 AM. |
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I think this should answer your question...
BICYCLES ON SIDEWALKS Quote:
Last edited by K'Tesh; 03-13-2008 at 11:35 AM. |
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Continued from above:
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My personal rule is that if you're riding on a sidewalk, you should be riding at something close to pedestrian speed. That is actually the law when riding in crosswalks, if I remember correctly. If you want to go faster, ride in traffic lanes intended for faster-moving traffic (i.e. the street).
[Conversely, if you're an evening stroller who does perhaps 3-4 mph, please don't take up a bike lane intended for vehicles moving 10+mph.] |
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How can you bike that slow? Thats as slow as I walk....
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I've noticed that there are many drivers who assume that bicycles aren't allowed on any sidewalks whatsoever so they assume the rules for yeilding do not apply particularly at crosswalks.
Still other drivers assume that bicycles have no business in the roadway and should be on the sidewalk at all times. So many misconceptions... It's really scary when a driver interprets what a bicycle is doing as "wrong" or illegal and then get's angry and puts the cyclist in danger. Yes, Driver's Ed and the Driver's test should also cover bicycle and pedestrian law if it doesn't already. |
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My ex stopped as soon as she saw the bicyclist- despite the fact that (as far as I can tell) was in the wrong. She was more cocerned with avoiding an accident than establishing right of way. she asked me for clarification only because of the way the cyclist treated her. She wasnt the one screaming and kicking the car. Now I will admit that when I was righthooked, my behavior was less then steller- and if I knew the driver I would apologize... despite the fact that she was wrong...I know that your adrenilin is running on high- but this guy kept at it long enough for my son to roll down the window and reply. I think it is important to note the use of violent threats and extremely profane langauge in the presance of 5,8 and 12 year old children by not the car driver but by the cyclist for an incident that occured because he was engaged in illegal acivity. Maybe you should take into account that it was tall guy yelling at a short woman... that is uncool all on its own. Imagine someone say a foot taller and a hundred pounds heavier than you yelling at you from above... In my case that would be a 7'6" 350lb guy... say a cross between an NBA center and an NFL linebacker... Now I am not a VC nazi, nor am I always following every law to the letter, but when I get myself in hot water while breaking the rules, I don't get mad at someone else, because if I am breaking the rules what happens to me is my fault. I think that due to the fact that the cylist was indeed breaking the law, riding unsafely that his behavior was unjustified as well as un called for. |
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In my mind the first rule of the road is "don't kill anyone", and if that means yielding to a pedestrian jaywalking or a redlight running cylist, thats fine... however I think that it is unsafe to presume that everyone else is watchinh out for you when you bike someplace you arent supposed to, especially at speed.
I also think this dude is a jerk because a block away is my favorite downhill bike run towards the river... 500' away he could have been doing 25 and flowing with traffic- so it isnt as though he had no other options. |
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Yeah I went off topic... my last post wasn't really about your incident... just a more general thing.
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Duncan, as your wife described the guy as "...she described him as a commuter on spendy bike wearing yellow and a helmet...", was she fairly sure his clothes and bike were accurately telling her that the cyclist was intelligent enough to know how to deal with the situation appropriately? There are residences for disabled people in the NW 21st neighborhood. Maybe this guy was one of those. Unless she really knew the bike was spendy, there seems to a fair selection of cheap crap bikes that...well, at least to me, look spendy.
Maybe this guy just had a bad day. Good thing for him you weren't driving or it could have become a lot worse, fast! I wonder if there isn't something the school can do to resolve the parking lot exit visibility issue somewhat. |
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