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K'Tesh 09-17-2011 10:41 PM

Interested in a safer Fanno Creek-Hall Blvd crossing?
 
Interested in a safer Fanno Creek-Hall Blvd crossing?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6074/...a606abd10d.jpg

Join us for an Open House
Wednesday, September 21 (2011)
6:30-8:30 p.m.

Conestoga Rec Center
9985 SW 125th Avenue
Beaverton, OR 97008

Formal presentation at 7:00 pm
Get an overview of the project's
purpose and schedule, and learn
about crossing alternatives that
are under consideration. Project
staff will be on hand to answer
questions and discuss concerns
citizens may have about the pro-
ject. We Hope you will join us!

For more information:
Brad Hauschild, Park Planner
Tualatin Hills Park & Recreation
503 629 6305 x2931
bhauschi@thprd.org

www.FannoCrossingHall.org

http://www.fannocrossinghall.org/fil..._studyarea.jpg

DaveT 09-22-2011 02:28 PM

I attended the open house last night. For those that missed it you can review the 4 options on the web site K'Tesh posted above, and you can then indicate which you prefer and reasons in the online comment card. Survey closes on Monday the 26th, so don't wait.

I was disappointed to learn that there is no funding beyond the design at this point, once the preferred option is selected and approved by Beaverton and THPRD they will start applying for funding. Given the current mood in Congress to slash the transportation budget, starting with "extras" like ped and bike funding, we may not see any actual construction for years.

K'Tesh 09-22-2011 03:12 PM

photos of the event.
 
I've uploaded the photos and videos I took (sorry about the quality) on flickr.

Simple Nature 09-22-2011 08:38 PM

Care to lay odds? I see a crossing coming... none of the others are attractive to me. The raised road is ugly and the bridges are very expensive. A few signs; a couple of lights; and a center island is sufficient... it is a "midstreet crosswalk" which they hate doing but I think they already know it is the only choice they really have.

K'Tesh 09-22-2011 10:01 PM

Don't bet on it...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Nature (Post 27457)
Care to lay odds? I see a crossing coming... none of the others are attractive to me. The raised road is ugly and the bridges are very expensive. A few signs; a couple of lights; and a center island is sufficient... it is a "midstreet crosswalk" which they hate doing but I think they already know it is the only choice they really have.

I can tell you with a fair degree of certainty, an "at grade" crossing will never happen here unless cars go away. Queuing for the left turn will prevent the center island from being made. A traffic engineer was there, and even with two left turn lanes, and SW 125th being factored into the equation, she was able to show that the queues would extend almost all the way back to SW Nimbus in only a few years.

My first choice is the underpass (so long as it can be kept mud free), 2nd is the spiraling overpass, but I'd want a longer spiral to reduce the angle for cyclists and wheelchairists alike.

DaveT 09-26-2011 11:55 AM

My first choice is the at-grade crossing. It would be really cheap except for the need to add a second left turn lane, and if what K'Tesh said in the previous response was accurate those will be needed just to handle traffic growth anyway.

My second choice is the tunnel. It is the best option to make Hall a "non-event" for trail users. I didn't make it my first choice because it is the most expensive. If it becomes the preferred alternative getting that amount of money will probably be harder / take longer, and therefore we will have to put up with the status quo for more years.

I don't like either overpass option. Every overpass I've seen is an eyesore. If it must be an overpass I prefer the straight ramps. I foresee conflicts between cyclists and other trail users going around the spiral ramps. So my third choice was the straight ramp and the spiral was dead last.

Dave

K'Tesh 09-26-2011 06:39 PM

9/28 Is The Final Fanno Creek-Hall Crossing Meeting
 
Just a reminder that the final Fanno Creek-Hall Blvd Crossing SAC meeting is coming up on Wednesday, September 28 at 6:30 pm. This is an important meeting, the committee will finalize their recommendation (of two crossing options) so please join us!

Wednesday, September 28 from 6:30 to 8:30 pm.
Conestoga Center, Room 202
9985 SW 125th Ave
Beaverton OR 97008

A draft agenda for the discussion can be found on our website http://fannocrossinghall.org, under the Public Involvement tab, on the Events page.

Thank you for your interest in this project.

K'Tesh 09-29-2011 12:13 AM

And the Results Are...
 
In Last place... Mid-Block Crossing, there's just too much traffic trying to turn left at Greenway to make one work.

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In 2nd/3rd... The Bridges (Ramp slightly leading over the Spiral). Major concerns, cyclists bypassing it and "wild cat" crossing mid-block. Speed of cyclists and skateboards on the descent, and difficulties for wheelchairists going up a 300+ foot ramp (even with landings).

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Which makes the Underpass the clear winner. No waiting for signal changes, no long climbs or fast descents, and the raised level of the road would probably prevent cyclists from even wanting to try to "wild cat" cross. Good engineering should keep it out of the water during most high water events, and free of mud.

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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6160/...0dd8176985.jpg

I've been having problems with the camera pop up lately... sorry about the poor selection of shots and quality (no flash)

wsbob 09-29-2011 01:18 AM

On the lower right corner of the drawing for the underpass, is that a digitally altered photo showing what the underpass option could look like? If so, anyway someone could get that pic posted to this thread?

I'm squinting my eyes to look at it, and what I see appears to be a square opening in a big wall under the road. Height and width dimensions would be helpful. Doesn't look like anything special...certainly not something befitting what holds the potential to be quite a grand, natural setting park.

Unless an underpass settled for would be one of those claustrophobia inducing types such as the one further south of Hall Blvd on the Fanno Creek Trail, the opportunity should be taken to make something beautiful and elegant. Obviously, money is the big issue, tending to direct that plans be limited to anything but the most basic but functional option. But still... . What I think I've been hearing, is that this current process is just to decide on an option to proceed with and begin to locate funding for. The actual option chosen won't likely be built for years to come. Might as well plan to create something really good.

K'Tesh 09-29-2011 10:14 AM

Actually, it's...
 
The underpass is one found in Vancouver, it goes under the railroad and leads to a nice little trail. I don't have a better pic.


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