Should Cyclists Pay for Registration, Road Tax, Insurance ...
Should bicyclists have to pay for registration, insurance and road tax for their bicycles?
they already do.
Registration fees to make such a program self-supporting, along with general inconvenience and lack of benefit to the bike owner, are too high for many (most?) bicycle owners to participate voluntarily, and enforcement isn't practical. That's been the case with nearly all places that have tried such programs. San Jose is a recent example that stopped bike registration.
Home owner's insurance, and I think some renter's policies, cover liability for bicycle collisions. Damage due to bike crashes tends to be low, often below any insurance threshold. I don't see big societal problems of damage caused by bikes, as there are with uninsured motorists.
Most bicyclists (all people, really - bikers, drivers or other) already pay taxes for roads. On a wear-and-tear or per mile basis, bikes pay relatively even more.
1) What, that's road related, should cyclists possibly pay for?
2) Considering certain uses of the road according to specific types of vehicle, why should cyclists pay for "... registration, insurance and road tax for their bicycles?" .
If cyclists have to pay a road tax, then I think all road users should have to pay a road tax. Otherwise it's a punitive measure, taxing cyclists when no other road user pays a tax for the roads.
Oh-- maybe you were thinking that the gas tax pays for all the streets we get to ride on, and since we don't buy gas, we aren't paying for the streets?
Check out today's Monday Round-up for an illuminating article on the Streetsblog network about how the gas tax doesn't come anywhere near to paying for roads.
Besides all that-- I'm a cyclist, and I also own and drive a car. So I already pay the gas tax, thanks.
I also have insurance (house and car) and a driver's license. So I think I'm covered, thanks again.
In general, I think that everyone should have to take the written test again when they renew their license, with an extra section specifically on laws pertaining to bicycling and walking. That would educate a large swath of the population. Heck, make it open book even, like the notary public test.
US Pirg: "Do Roads Pay For Themselves?"
Just filing another source in this thread, about how our roads are actually funded, for reference:
Do Roads Pay For Themselves? Setting the Record Straight on Transportation FundingFull report is a PDF with extensive footnotes.
PS - as long as I'm making a list...
Why an additional road tax for bicyclists would be unfairhttp://www.vtpi.org/whoserd.pdf
Whose RoadsIn particular note Table 4 of Whose Roads (reformatted due to HTML constraints):
From BikePortland's front page, Editorial: GOP budget... :
"On average, states raise 38% of their road funds from fuel taxes and 22% from vehicleAlso breaks out by state the percentage of road funding based on fuel tax, and refers to several source docs such as:
REVENUES USED BY STATES FOR HIGHWAYS - 2004I am sceptical of those numbers. Oregon vehicle registration is among the lowest nationally and its fuel taxes are just a bit above average, so how do those figures end up so much higher than the national average?
The UIOWA ICAN study cites http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs04/htm/sf1.htm as the source of that data. That FHWA DOT data says:
HIGHWAY-USER REVENUES >>> 57.0%
- MOTOR- FUEL TAXES 385,463 >>> 32.2%
- MOTOR- VEHICLE AND MOTOR- CARRIER TAXES 297,253 >>> 24.8%
TOTAL RECEIPTS 1,198,718 >>> 100%
So, 57% user fees and taxes means that 43% came from other, non-user fees and taxes in Oregon in 2004. That's a big gap from the UIOWA numbers.
http://publicola.com/2010/08/31/we-a...for-the-roads/ (redirects here)
"We All Pay For The Roads"____________________________________________
Not specifically about taxes and fees, but worthy anyway...
"How Do People Choose a Travel Mode? Factors Associated with Routine Walking & Bicycling"____________________________________________
PBOT 2011/12 budget
Page 83 - Table 4: General Transportation Revenue Budget [mostly gas tax (61.6%) and parking (26.4%)]
Capital Improvement Program(CIP) is a smaller document starting on page 91 of the larger PDF. Page 107 of the large PDF (p. 16 of the CIP doc) has pie chart for CIP funding. General Transportation Revenue (GTR; gas tax, vehicle registration, parking and fines) makes up 38% of the pie, second largest after Grants & Contracts.
18 May 2011
Survey: 90 percent of avid Oregon bicyclists also own, drive cars
Friday, October 23, 2009
Joseph Rose, The Oregonian [Joe Rose]
Do motorists pay for the roads they use? No, says public interest group
Thursday, January 06, 2011
Joseph Rose, The Oregonian
Federal Transportation Programs Shortchange Motorists: Update of a USDOT Study
June 8, 2009
Wendell Cox and Ronald Utt, Ph.D.
Rebuttal by rawillis3 in Oregonian January 06, 2011 comments, above:
"that study talks only about federal subsidies, measured in terms of the expenditure allocations of fuel taxes. it does not directly address where every dollar that is spent on each mode of transportation ultimately comes from. even where it says 40 percent of the federal highway trust fund is spent on things other than road, it lists a bunch of stuff that relates fairly directly to road infrastructure maintenance, development, and planning."
27 May 2011
http://egov.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/fees/vehicle.shtml (Oregon vehicle registration fees; $86/2-year for cars, $48 motorcycles, $43 electric motorcycles)
2009 USDOT FHWA numbers:
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinform...atistics/2009/ Highway Statistics 2009
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinform...s/2009/sdf.cfm Disposition of State Highway-User Revenues - 2009
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinform...s/2009/mf3.cfm Disposition of State Motor-Fuel Tax Receipts
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinform...cs/2009/df.cfm Disposition of Receipts From State Imposts on Highway Users
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinform...2009/lgf21.cfm Local Government Funding For Highways - Summary - 2008
...seems to show that local fund for road expenditures comes mostly from the general fund which everyone pays.
8 July 2011
"Using Federal Highway Administration data, Subsidyscope calculated that in 2007, user fees accounted for 51 percent of all road funding—a 10 percent decline over the previous decade and the lowest level since the creation of the Federal Highway Trust Fund in 1957."
18 August 2011
http://bikeportland.org/2008/12/10/w...licenses-11954 - bike licensing
How about a weight-mile tax for ALL vehicles?
Those that cause the most damage to roads (after studded tires are made illegal at the ballot box this year) would be the heaviest trucks.
The vehicles that cause us to have to resurface roads and fix potholes constantly would be dinged for their negative impacts.
If all the road users were bicyclers, think how long the roads would last – not only the surfaces, but the lane geometry – less widening of roads to accommodate increased traffic
The pie-chart you reference below deals with funding of State and Federal highways. City and county roads typically get far below the quoted 35% of their funding from the gas tax. One study in Seattle showed that .44% of 2009 Seattle street funding came from gas taxes. (http://www.publicola.net/2010/08/31/...for-the-roads/)
Check out these articles:
Columbian op-ed rant
Yet another op-ed rant about those scofflaw, dead-beat bicyclists (y'know they're all alike, doncha?), all the same stuff that has been debunked time after time. Sheesh, why does The Columbian even publish such junk? They don't publish racist or sexist rants; isn't it time they moved past people with a grudge against bike riders?
(still hoping for a Vancouver/Clark County forum ;) )
I like the reply from Irish Nativeson on that Columbian letter. "Jim must have bumped his head drinking the Kool-Aide out of the toilet."
You may notice some comments from facebook user Bob Larimer on the bottom of that letter. I also read another bicycle related letter for fun that The Columbian published. http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/j...und-vancouver/ Good ol' Bob had some more intelligence to share with us all.
My cheeks hurt from smiling so much. :D
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