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bobcycle 11-18-2008 11:37 AM

How do you get change?
Traffic signal heading north on 29th at nw29th and Nicolai is a 5 second green. This is coming off a dead end road that has a cut through for bikes. This is on a route that anyone who works at Chris King might take on a commute. I ride it daily myself. THe problem is trucks and buses that use this route are heading south and turning left to go up towards NW Vaughn and NW 23rd part of town. They know the light only lasts 5 seconds so they don't like to wait for bikes going straight. They start the turn before I clear the intersection and this makes me very nervous. I don't blame them, the light is to short. So seems solution is simple. How and who do I approach to get this changed. BTA, City of Portland or just wait until someone gets hit? I realize nothing is simple and a lengthy review process will be required... but I am not exaggerating this is a 5 SECOND LIGHT!!!! Any help/suggestion is appreciated.

bikieboy 11-19-2008 10:16 AM

signal timing
B-c, sounds like it's a fairly simple signal timing issue, something the City's Signals folks have the ability to adjust as needed. If you can accurately describe the problem to them, they'll either fix it or give you a reason why they can't or won't.

Your person to contact is:

District: NW - except Pearl/River District
Tod Rosinbum

Also, calling 823-SAFE would be an alternate route, albeit somewhat slower.

bobcycle 11-19-2008 04:24 PM

Thanks for the info. I will e-mail PDOT and see what happens.

bikieboy 11-20-2008 01:23 PM

b-c, by all means, report back on results, or lack thereof.

bobcycle 11-20-2008 03:31 PM

Some help?
E-mailed Tod as you suggested and copied BTA and Chris King Precision parts (Chris King is located within a mile of this intersection). I thought it couldn't hurt to try to get some support from others with more clout than I.

bobcycle 01-11-2009 07:44 AM

No change since October... i have heard no response. Any further suggestions?

bikieboy 01-14-2009 10:28 AM

I'll e-mail this thread to Tod. That may help.

bikieboy 01-17-2009 08:10 AM

it did help
b-c, here's what i got yesterday in an email from Nelson Chi, a City signals technician:

"I checked the signal operation and determined that longer green is needed for 29th Ave to accommodate the bike. The timing is adjusted and should work better now. Additionally, we were going to install an overhead sign "LEFT TURN YIELD TO ONCOMING TRAFFIC" for the southbound NW 29th Ave approach as result of traffic investigation. "

check it out. I don't know what happened to your original request, seems like they might have lost it somehow..?

q`Tzal 01-17-2009 10:56 AM

Something defintely changed...
My commute takes me down NW Wardway St on to NW Nicolai St around 5:45 to 6:00 in the morning. Traffic ranges for non-existent to waves of 3-6 autos.

Google map of area for reference (http://tinyurl.com/9j9fum)

Before the recent change the green light would cycle from southbound 29th to northbound 29th(only when triggered) to east bound Nicolai St and finally Wardway St.

Within the last two weeks the northbound 29th signal always comes on whether there is traffic to trigger it or not. It also seem to last longer, though all it does is increase my wait at the Wardway light.

bobcycle 01-24-2009 07:44 AM

respectably disagreeing
I have been bike commuting this route for over a year and never observed a separate North bound South bound light cycle on 29th. It always has turned both north and south 29th light at the same time. Thus the stated danger of the short light cycle, since most vehicles are turning here and short light did not allow everyone ample time to yield and still make the light. While the 29th loops to trigger the light work most of the time there are times when I have sat through several cycles waiting my turn (the latest just yesterday). The signal light cycle for 29th does appear to have lengthened, but the loop still seems to need a bike or vehicle to trigger the loop. I have recently observed it not changing when no one is on the loop, there is no need to cycle 29th signal when no traffic is present unless the loop fails to trigger which in my experience is the rare exception. As for the additional 3 to 5 seconds added to the 29th av light I hope this small improvement in safety does not lengthen

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