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Haven_kd7yct
10-04-2012, 09:45 AM
I've been trying to get ODOT to clean up the Hall Blvd bike lane south of hwy 99W, to no avail.

They say they've sent someone out to sweep twice in the last two weeks; I'm not sure where they were sweeping, because the bike lanes south of about Commercial St are choked.

Mostly heading Northbound, you've got glass in the crosswalk with Durham; large ceramic pieces (broken coffee cup) and a large stretch of large glass shards after Ashford; more glass and gravel after Sattler and before Bonita; large stretch of more glass shards between Bonita and McDonald; more glass after McDonald; car collision debris around the intersection before the library; more glass in the bus stop at the library; glass and gravel between the bus stop and Burnham St.

Heading Southbound, lots of gravel and small glass chunks through the entire section. Watch out for dead cat and squirrel action between the FCT and about McDonald.

The old pavement markings that are chipping away and ending up in drifts I can understand. We'll have that problem until they scrape off the old markings completely and replace them.

Just wanted to let y'all know that ODOT is aware of the problems with the Southern edge of Hall, and I'm trying to get it fixed.

canuck
10-04-2012, 12:59 PM
Just curious, but why would ODOT have anything to do with Hall Blvd south or 99W?

Isn't that that Tigard's responsibility since that lenght of road is in the city limits and it is not a state highway?

canuck
10-04-2012, 01:08 PM
Amazing what you find on the internets, Hall Blvd is also known as the Beaverton Tualatin Highway, No 141 a state rd. All these years and never saw a state route marker.

K'Tesh
10-04-2012, 01:30 PM
I emailed your post to ODOT's Ask ODOT email address and to Basil Christopher, the Bike/Ped Coordinator.

Haven_kd7yct
10-05-2012, 09:39 AM
I have been working with Basil, Cory Hamilton, Michael Strauch and Richard Garrison.

Cory called me yesterday around 11am after he went out and walked the stretch of Hall Blvd from the Library to Durham Rd. He said he didn't see anything, I thanked him for his call and for going out to look and that I'd double-check the troublesome areas on my way home.

So on my way home last night, I did just that. The Northbound lanes (on the Eastside of the road, heading away from Durham Rd) between Ashford and Murdock are literally choked with glass and ceramic shards. I took a lot of pictures, which are in my Flikr photostream but here's a small selection (hopefully they attach ok).

My co-worker who lives off Sattler told me that there was a street sweeper running Northbound on Hall around this area, hopefully it will all be picked up by the evening commute.

Haven_kd7yct
10-05-2012, 09:40 AM
Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention:

Hall Blvd and Upper Boones Ferry are both state roads and as such the cities of Tigard, Tualatin and Durham will not go out and sweep up any debris in the roadway.

K'Tesh
10-11-2012, 07:30 PM
I'm not riding in that area, so I can't vouch for it myself... But this is what I got in my inbox today.

Hi K'Tesh,

I got your email passed on to me for response from Ask ODOT. Thanks for writing and for sharing your concern about conditions on Hall Boulevard. I looked into this and got similar information as you. The maintenance crews swept the section of Hall Boulevard from OR 99W down to Durham Road on Sept. 14 and Sept. 19. Additionally, the maintenance section manager said he looked at that section of road a couple days ago and that it was in good shape. He also did mention the striping is wearing out and there are small glass beads left behind. These are not a hazard to bike tires, but could potentially appear that way.

I'm told that they will continue to sweep Hall Boulevard on a regular rotation and keep an eye on the conditions. Feel free to contact me if you have further questions or concerns.

Lili Boicourt
ODOT Community Affairs

Simple Nature
10-13-2012, 12:14 PM
The hazards in OP pix is pretty much normal for a favored exersize route through Hillsboro. Every day it seems a new bottle or other form of "bike chum" has been dropped into the bike lane. Often, it is much more pronouonced than the images here. If I find a new hazard that is more than just a single event, like peppering alomst 2 miles of Connell Rd and on, I call Hillsboro Public works and they take care of it quickly. The only time I had any hesitation was when ODOT was involved, but even then, Hillsboro stepped up. Maybe contacting Tigard Public Works would get specific notices resolved in short order.

I Have yet to gain repore with Beaverton Public Works. Some things that developers get away with in Beaverton just floor me. Fortunately, their scrubbers are pretty much on the ball. We'll see how it goes now that the leaves are falling.

What I would like to see is some enforcemen for those who think it is fun to bust bottles in the bike lanes. I -know- a lot of what I run into is malicious intent. That is why I use tires that are a bit more immune to fresh shards of glass.

Maybe I am fortunate to be able to count on Hillsboro Public Works. I would only hope Tigard and Beaverton are as easy to reach and provide a reliable response to more serious hazards.

canuck
10-15-2012, 07:58 AM
Not so sure it's purposely broken bottles in the bike lane.

I find that after recycling day there tends to be more glass on the roads in general due to the recycling truck.

The sections of Hall mentioned do have residential properties and garbage/recycling pickup.

Simple Nature
10-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Not so sure it's purposely broken bottles in the bike lane.

I find that after recycling day there tends to be more glass on the roads in general due to the recycling truck.

The sections of Hall mentioned do have residential properties and garbage/recycling pickup.

Interesting observation.

Haven_kd7yct
10-24-2012, 01:26 PM
Here's a link to my flikr set for Hall Blvd.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/80858068@N00/sets/72157631698979425/

I highly doubt the glass Cory from ODOT saw on Hall Blvd are "glass beads from the striping".

The glass consists of curved pieces, and chunks as big as my thumbnail to as small as my pinky fingernail. I have a chunk sitting here on my desk, and a larger chunk at home sitting next to my computer. To my eye, the glass looks like pieces from a clear bottle.

There are also chunks of ceramic-- I took a shot of a nice curved piece clearly indicating that this is part of crockery (bowl, mug, something) and not pieces of the striping chipping loose, as Cory seems to think it should be.

Vance with Tigard Streets can't do anything about the debris on Hall-- I've tried that route; the most he can do is pick up dead animals. He's reported stuff I've reported, but it doesn't appear that he has much pull with ODOT either.

Bottom line is, don't ride in the bike lane between about Ashford and Bonita, and then be cautious between McDonald and Commercial St. Maybe one day the street sweeper will get out there and pick it all up. Use caution, people.

q`Tzal
10-24-2012, 06:39 PM
Not so sure it's purposely broken bottles in the bike lane.

I find that after recycling day there tends to be more glass on the roads in general due to the recycling truck.

The sections of Hall mentioned do have residential properties and garbage/recycling pickup.
You'd think that the recycler's desire to be paid more (and they are paid by the pound) would encourage cleanliness.

Is there a fine/fee structure for recouping cleanup costs from automotive crashes? I only assume that most of the non ceramic debris is automotive. I get the feeling that I should take pictures of all traffic crashes (with license plates prominent) so when I enforcement the responsible municipality they are more likely to do the work because there is someone they can defer the costs upon.

wsbob
10-25-2012, 01:19 AM
Debris, hazard free bike lanes are essential keys to usability of bike lanes. Exactly how well city officials and employees understand this is something I wonder about. Of the range of debris that can be a hazard to use of bikes in the bike lane, I particularly wonder to what extent they're aware of the small end of that range that pose a hazard to bike travel.

Bits of glass that can cause flats can be very small...much smaller than fingernails. Often it's possible to see glass on the bike path due to the light reflecting off of even tiny bits of glass. The fact it's there though, leaves the bike path where such glass is present, barely usable. Glass on the bike lane, obliges people to ride the main lanes.