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RonC
08-31-2011, 03:26 PM
Rode the Nestucca River Rd. last weekend between Carlton and Beaver, on the way to Pacific City. Still a beautiful route, but not quite as nice as when the road was closed off in the middle to motor vehicles.

Thought I would warn those using Google maps that while NW Panther Creek Rd. is shown as the main road on Google maps (cutting left off of NW Meadow Lake Road), that you should just stay on Meadow Lake Road until it turns into Nestucca River Rd. Taking the Panther Creek Rd. "shortcut" results in an extra 1.5 miles of gravel, some steep enough (and deep enough gravel) that it required walking so as not to lose traction with 23c road tires. I had no problem maneuvering the expected (and previously ridden) gravel section of Nestucca River road.

Oh yeah, one other thing. The hills are steeper than they used to be.

Alan
08-31-2011, 04:02 PM
Oh yeah, one other thing. The hills are steeper than they used to be.

Upthrust from the coastal subduction zone, no doubt about it.

DaveT
08-31-2011, 05:09 PM
Contrary to what they taught me in high school geology class about erosion, personal experience on the bike shows that mountains get higher every year.

drosen
09-01-2011, 05:22 PM
Ron, when you went over Nestucca Pass, did you encounter the mile or so of gravel that is after that park on the westside of the mountain? I've gone over Meadow Lake to Beaver, but won't go any more because of that gravel, or do you know of a non-gravel route?

Rode the Nestucca River Rd. last weekend between Carlton and Beaver, on the way to Pacific City. Still a beautiful route, but not quite as nice as when the road was closed off in the middle to motor vehicles.

Thought I would warn those using Google maps that while NW Panther Creek Rd. is shown as the main road on Google maps (cutting left off of NW Meadow Lake Road), that you should just stay on Meadow Lake Road until it turns into Nestucca River Rd. Taking the Panther Creek Rd. "shortcut" results in an extra 1.5 miles of gravel, some steep enough (and deep enough gravel) that it required walking so as not to lose traction with 23c road tires. I had no problem maneuvering the expected (and previously ridden) gravel section of Nestucca River road.

Oh yeah, one other thing. The hills are steeper than they used to be.

lynnef
09-01-2011, 10:32 PM
Gravel is still there. Very hard packed, though.

drosen
09-02-2011, 06:50 AM
Gravel is still there. Very hard packed, though.

Thanks. I wonder why the county or state doesn't pave that small part. It's a tough ride from Carlton to Beaver, but the challenge is the fun part.

RonC
09-02-2011, 08:50 AM
There is a paved route that you can take to avoid the gravel, but it is not well marked. At just over 15 miles out from the center of Carlton there is a road that cuts sharply back and up to the left, called Bald Mountain Road. There used to be signage, but is is no longer marked. There is another road that cuts off to the left about a mile before it that you can use as a heads-up reminder. You take Bald Mountain about 7-8 miles to Bible Creek Rd. (I believe it's called Testament Creek on Google Maps, maybe the name has changed?). Veer to the right on Bible Creek/Testament Creek and go another 7-8 miles until you re-join Nestucca River Rd.

I was planning on taking this route, but one of my riding friends was gassed, and there is a significant amount of climbing on this paved route. It's been years since I rode this, so no guarantees on the condition of the road. But it used to be pretty good.

Regarding the gravel section on Nestucca River Rd., I think its more like 2-miles long, but it is mostly very hard packed as Lynne indicated. Part of it I was able to maneuver at up to 20 mph on 23c tires, but it was mostly a 10-15 MPH bone rattler.

drosen
09-02-2011, 10:25 AM
There is a paved route that you can take to avoid the gravel, but it is not well marked. At just over 15 miles out from the center of Carlton there is a road that cuts sharply back and up to the left, called Bald Mountain Road. There used to be signage, but is is no longer marked. There is another road that cuts off to the left about a mile before it that you can use as a heads-up reminder. You take Bald Mountain about 7-8 miles to Bible Creek Rd. (I believe it's called Testament Creek on Google Maps, maybe the name has changed?). Veer to the right on Bible Creek/Testament Creek and go another 7-8 miles until you re-join Nestucca River Rd.

I was planning on taking this route, but one of my riding friends was gassed, and there is a significant amount of climbing on this paved route. It's been years since I rode this, so no guarantees on the condition of the road. But it used to be pretty good.

Regarding the gravel section on Nestucca River Rd., I think its more like 2-miles long, but it is mostly very hard packed as Lynne indicated. Part of it I was able to maneuver at up to 20 mph on 23c tires, but it was mostly a 10-15 MPH bone rattler.

Fantastic. I think I'll drive it one of these days. I don't mind the climbing, but that gravel really bugs me for some reason.

lynnef
09-02-2011, 04:50 PM
I rode it from Beaver to Carlton on a 210km permanent (http://lynnerides.blogspot.com/2011/05/nestucca-rivers-permanent.html) in pouring rain. Epic day. The climb was not particularly difficult, but it was an epic day.

drosen
09-03-2011, 04:45 PM
I rode it from Beaver to Carlton on a 210km permanent (http://lynnerides.blogspot.com/2011/05/nestucca-rivers-permanent.html) in pouring rain. Epic day. The climb was not particularly difficult, but it was an epic day.

So if I'm looking at Google Maps correctly, after leaving Carlton I'll go up the mountain like I normally do and then turn left at that reservoir that is after the summit, correct? I'll miss the camping area and the gravel area because I'll be on the other side of the river. After rejoining Nestucca River Road I'll just proceed to Beaver like I normally would? This is great, another route to the beach.

DR

RonC
09-04-2011, 06:59 AM
So if I'm looking at Google Maps correctly, after leaving Carlton I'll go up the mountain like I normally do and then turn left at that reservoir that is after the summit, correct? I'll miss the camping area and the gravel area because I'll be on the other side of the river. After rejoining Nestucca River Road I'll just proceed to Beaver like I normally would? This is great, another route to the beach.

DR

The non-gravel route I've take is the third road past the reservoir on Google Maps. It's a sharp cutback uphill to the left, Identified on Google Maps as NW Bald Mountain Access Rd., but unmarked at the intersection. If I remember correctly the first road after the reservoir is gravel.

jeff
09-06-2011, 05:23 PM
can't remember if there's a sign at the intersection, but I think it's the only paved road heading south in this vicinity. Nothing to confuse it with. It is indeed a long and hilly way around to avoid a couple miles of gravel...but i guess if you've got serious skinnys for tyres, that gravel may seem like an eternity...but in my experience, on 28c it's just fine.

This map may help a bit, especially with avoiding the Panther Creek Rd., which is shown misleadingly as the main thoroughfare on many maps.

see Route 3, map 2 ---
http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?a=301633&c=36638

Also -- There's a reason it's not paved all the way through. The BLM, who owns the gravel section, wanted to pave it back about 10 years ago, but the folks who live along the road were adamently opposed - they were legitimately concerned about it becoming a more of the thoroughfare between the valley and the coast (more traffic). So the BLM responded by saying the road wasn't safe in current condition (which is kind of strange because they've got plenty of roads far worse, it would seem..?) , and closed a portion of the middle section. It was like this for several years, and to my mind they could of left it that way forever - great for bicycling. Finally they came to some sort of an agreement not to pave it, and that it was reasonably safe, & the barricades came down.

RonC
09-07-2011, 12:55 PM
can't remember if there's a sign at the intersection, but I think it's the only paved road heading south in this vicinity. Nothing to confuse it with.

Jeff, the first road after the reservoir is gravel. But the second and third roads after the reservoir are paved, at least where they intersect Nestucca River Road. The third road after the reservoir (2nd paved road to the left after the reservoir) is the one you want to take.

Lynne, that ride you took in the spring sounds like quite an adventure. That's a long day in the rain. Other readers would be well advised to click through the link and read your tale. Do you have windshield wipers on your shields?

jeff
09-08-2011, 11:08 AM
thanks, RonC, didn't recall that from previous rides. I wonder where, and how far, these other paved roads go?

Matt P.
02-16-2012, 03:03 PM
Rode the Nestucca River Rd. last weekend between Carlton and Beaver, on the way to Pacific City. Still a beautiful route, but not quite as nice as when the road was closed off in the middle to motor vehicles.

How many cars did you run into? When I've ridden it in the past, I encountered a grand total of 4 cars for the entire route. (that was west to east, I'd imagine there'd be more going from east to west, since the traffic is higher near Carlton when climbing up that side than if descending)

RonC
02-17-2012, 08:10 AM
How many cars did you run into?

There weren't many, maybe 10-15, so still a very quite route.