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jeff
01-17-2011, 04:46 PM
Seems to be open, from the Springwater (near Linneman station/Paisano's) north to the MAX line & older portion of the trail. The Springwater connexion is not well marked. Rode it on Sunday, and no one on it, so it could use some patronage.

Bent Bloke
01-18-2011, 11:53 AM
You get a great view of the wetland just north of Powell. I rode it a week ago and didn't see many others using it, mostly pedestrians.

And you're right about it being poorly marked at the junction with Springwater. No sign at all. The crossing of Burnside is also confusing, and could be better marked.

It makes for an easy route to Edgefield from Springwater ... ;)

Spiffy
01-19-2011, 08:01 PM
It makes for an easy route to Edgefield from Springwater ... ;)

*perks up*

ok, now I'm interested...

where's a map showing the intersection with the Springwater?

Bent Bloke
01-20-2011, 07:00 AM
This map (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon&ll=45.490209,-122.46711&spn=0.010289,0.01193&t=h&z=16&lci=bike) shows where the two trails meet, sorta. It's not marked as a bike path in this Google map view, but you take SW 10th Street, then turn right on West Powell Loop. You'll see the bike path then. On 10th it's a bike lane.

jeff
01-20-2011, 09:46 AM
The crossing of Burnside is also confusing, and could be better marked.
indeed! and by this spring there'll be a lot of people on bikes wandering about on that narrow sidewalk wondering where to go next. I'm assuming that Gresham is planning something to improve that pretty awful connexion... but you know what the word "assume" does... I'll see if i can get some info on it.

jeff
01-23-2011, 07:25 AM
Here's the response from Gresham on the trail gap at Burnside:

" This gap will be filled by the Max Path trail which will extend from Ruby station east to down town Gresham. This project is funded and currently in design. Construction is expected in about two years.
For more information you may go to our website at Gresham Fairview Trail.

Thank you for using askGresham.
Linda Kidby"

bobcycle
01-31-2011, 11:47 AM
Have recently ridden Fairview-Gresham trail and find it makes a nice 25 mile loop when connected with I-205/Springwater/Marine Drive. or closer to 37 miles if you take Willamette river bikeway to Springwater to Fairview-Gresham to Marine Drive to 33rd to Going to Williams. I studied Google map beforehand and had no problem at Burnside. The trail ends at Halsey so at Halsey I went east to Fairview ave/223rd then left on to Fairview Lake Way to Marine drive. Halsey has either a bike lane or a nice shoulder and the same goes for Fairview/223rd ave except were you go under the railway. I notice many of the busy street crossings have activation "loops" in the pavement that automatically trip the crossing flashing yellow signal. Autos seemed to be very courteous at the crossings. Rode it on a Monday and saw a few peds but no other cyclists on the whole route. Nice thing was that strong east wind that gave a push along Marine Drive. Good reason to do it in the counterclockwise direction. :)

bobcycle
02-20-2011, 06:19 PM
I road the Gresham/fairview trail today and seems they have found a bit of a design flaw. As you leave the Powell over pass (heading North) there is a downhill section followed by a steep short uphill climb. My tendency is to build up speed on the downhill to make the climb easier. At the bottom of the downhill and covering part of the uphill they used some cement pavers with what looks like gravel filled gaps that are almost a narrow tire width wide. So the fear is that as the gap filler gets worn the possibility of catching your tire in the gap increases. So today I noticed a new warning sign (yellow diamond type) with a picture of a bicyclist, tire caught in gap, flying over the handle bars. My thought is why design a trail with this flaw then think putting up the sign will solve the problem? Signed or not this could be an accident waiting to happen. So far no problem for me but next time out I will stop to check gap width closer and perhaps take a picture of the warning sign.

Simple Nature
02-20-2011, 06:27 PM
I wonder if it is some sort of drain for runoff. Seems kinda odd though.

Bent Bloke
02-22-2011, 12:22 PM
The path there goes through a wetland. I thought the pavement treatment was odd there at first, too, but then I realized they used permeable pavers to facilitate water run off. I think they are just trying to make the path as much like the ground as they can.

bobcycle
03-18-2011, 11:38 AM
I get that they were trying to add drainage feature for wetland, but did it need to be at the expense of bike safety??? Openings are parallel to travel and some are wider than tire.
Attempting to link photos....

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5257/5538067046_a278a8f85a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37579845@N06/5538067046/)
bikephoto3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37579845@N06/5538067046/) by bujerbiker (http://www.flickr.com/people/37579845@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5295/5537487765_96b6daffc1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37579845@N06/5537487765/)
bikephoto2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37579845@N06/5537487765/) by bujerbiker (http://www.flickr.com/people/37579845@N06/), on Flickrhttp://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5538066242_c8aeaf4685.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37579845@N06/5538066242/)
bikephoto1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/37579845@N06/5538066242/) by bujerbiker (http://www.flickr.com/people/37579845@N06/), on Flickr

Praxillea
03-21-2011, 10:40 AM
Went through there this weekend for the first time. Stopped to take pictures of the sign cause it was funny, then almost did what the sign showed! Coming up the other direction I tried to shift so I could climb the hill, wheel caught but I got my feet down in time, ended up walking up the hill.

Be careful there!

Did see a family of California Quail just south of there, little chicks and all.

Alan
03-21-2011, 10:06 PM
I get that they were trying to add drainage feature for wetland, but did it need to be at the expense of bike safety??? Openings are parallel to travel and some are wider than tire.

That's just plain poor design. What agency developed the trail? There are a number of choices for permeable paved surfaces, if such a narrow surface area really needs it (seems like permeable shoulders would soak up all the run-off from the trail). Simply changing the paver pattern to a staggered brick pattern, or a herringbone pattern, would prevent tire-catching joints. Someone goofed on that design.

jeff
03-22-2011, 03:56 PM
I believe it was developed by the city of Gresham - probably the best palce to start is with Michelle Kimble, who is the bike/ped planner there -- Michelle.Kimble@GreshamOregon.gov

q`Tzal
03-22-2011, 10:32 PM
These could have simply been laid out diagonally.

bobcycle
03-27-2011, 08:13 AM
These could have simply been laid out diagonally.

Heading north from Powell Blvd. the tiles start as a diagonal pattern, but as the trail turns to the right the pattern remains the same and becomes parallel to direction of travel. However your comment is still valid, as the trail turns the pattern should have shifted so as to remain diagonal to direction of travel.

Praxillea
03-27-2011, 06:16 PM
Maybe they can lay down a grate on one side so wheels don't fall in the cracks but water can still go through. We went through there again this weekend and made it OK but it's tricky with the curve, ruts and hill headed north.

bobcycle
03-30-2011, 10:14 AM
I read the following update in the Portland Wheelmen Touring Club newsletter: " I contacted Mike Green, the construction manager of the Gresham-Fairview Trail in order to express concerns about the pavers.... they will be improving this condition when the rainy season ends. They will be filling the spaces between tiles with mortar.... If this is not successful they are considering paving over them." To see the entire article you'll have to get a copy of the PWTC bulletin, unfortunately it is not available on line. Club members are mailed the bulletin monthly, perhaps a good reason to join a local club. :)

Alan
04-05-2011, 08:45 PM
I forget which blog I saw this photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40002045@N08/3672743782/) on but it shows a herring bone paving pattern without tire-grabbing grooves. Dutch, of course...learning curve and all that. Oh, here we go with the image...


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3672743782_817d7e2a83.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40002045@N08/3672743782/)
Trike near ferry (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40002045@N08/3672743782/) by Willeke_igkt (http://www.flickr.com/people/40002045@N08/), on Flickr

GeneWheelz
09-28-2011, 03:23 PM
" I contacted Mike Green, the construction manager of the Gresham-Fairview Trail in order to express concerns about the pavers.... they will be improving this condition when the rainy season ends. They will be filling the spaces between tiles with mortar.... If this is not successful they are considering paving over them."

As of about a month ago nothing has changed; the pavers are still as pictured in the previous post.

jeff
10-03-2011, 12:41 PM
G-W, just got an email from Michelle/Gresham folks saying the grouting on the tile was completed last week.

GeneWheelz
10-14-2011, 05:23 PM
I think they used that asphalt grout. It is real smooth now.