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lacorota
01-15-2011, 05:35 PM
I'm planning a day ride --perhaps -- to Astoria next month. I haven't ridden much beyond St. Helens along hwy. 30; I've never driven that stretch either. It has a generous shoulder to St. Helens, and appearing beyond. I've "heard" the shoulder is good excepting a 4 or 5 mile stretch, and it has a serious climb along the way. So--

Questions:

Is the shoulder adequate the entire distance?
What's the elevation gain for the distance?


I'm hoping it's not intentionally seeded with nails or tacks, such as I frequently find on Larch Mtn. road.

Any info. or suggestions are much appreciated!

drosen
01-15-2011, 07:44 PM
I guess it's OK, but it's not a lot of fun. Full of noise, cars, and noise. Did I mention the noise?

I take a different route to Astoria from Portland. I get to Scapoose and take the "Scaponia" Highway to Highway 47 and then go north through Mist (where I started my teaching career), Birkenfeld, Olney, and then to Astoria. Quieter and I must say the logging trucks have been very generous with their courtesy to me while biking. Pretty scenery along the way.

I'm planning a day ride --perhaps -- to Astoria next month. I haven't ridden much beyond St. Helens along hwy. 30; I've never driven that stretch either. It has a generous shoulder to St. Helens, and appearing beyond. I've "heard" the shoulder is good excepting a 4 or 5 mile stretch, and it has a serious climb along the way. So--

Questions:

Is the shoulder adequate the entire distance?
What's the elevation gain for the distance?


I'm hoping it's not intentionally seeded with nails or tacks, such as I frequently find on Larch Mtn. road.

Any info. or suggestions are much appreciated!

rainperimeter
01-15-2011, 10:56 PM
i've taken 30 on the way back to portland and it mostly sucks. go the way drosen says. i've gone that way, uh, not sure how many times. a bunch. way nicer.

zpl
01-16-2011, 08:35 PM
I guess it's OK, but it's not a lot of fun. Full of noise, cars, and noise. Did I mention the noise?

I take a different route to Astoria from Portland. I get to Scapoose and take the "Scaponia" Highway to Highway 47 and then go north through Mist (where I started my teaching career), Birkenfeld, Olney, and then to Astoria. Quieter and I must say the logging trucks have been very generous with their courtesy to me while biking. Pretty scenery along the way.

How do you get from Portland up to Scapoose? How are the shoulders along 202?

Thanks,

Scott

rainperimeter
01-16-2011, 11:29 PM
i lied. i usually head up over the west hills, through hillsboro, north plains, etc., out to banks. then the banks-vernonia trail. hwy 202 is fine. the traffic is very, very light. i don't think there is much in the way of shoulder but all the times i've gone it hasn't been an issue.

jeff
01-17-2011, 04:36 PM
Another thumbs up for the Mist-birkenfeld-Jewell route. Too much traffic on highway 30, albeit with shoulders. 202 doesn't have any shoulders but the traffic is so light you don't really need 'em. Like RP , I too prefer going banks-vernonia trail to Vernonia - but this is doubtless considerably longer. You can hop the MAX to Hillsboro to cut out some distance...

Simple Nature
01-17-2011, 06:33 PM
Only thing I would add about getting to the Banks-Vernonia trail through Hillsboro is to be aware that the country side belongs to commerce on weekdays. On weekends, people are quite forgiving about bicycles on the roadways. Several very nice routes between Hillsboro and Banks.

jeff
01-18-2011, 06:55 AM
this shows a pretty quiet route between Hillsboro and Banks -- as well as other north coast routes:

http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=36638&a=301633

drosen
01-18-2011, 03:28 PM
I do take Highway 30 up to Scapoose, I must confess. Now that the Bank-Vernonia Trail is pretty much clear to Vernonia, I'll try that. But, everyone who's written about 202 is correct. The road is practically barren on the weekend, very quiet. I've never taken it during the week, so I can't speak to that. The "Scaponia" way has a nice climb to it and a great downhill stretch after reaching the summit. Also, if you want, you can turn at Olney and go to Seaside instead of going straight to Astoria. The Seaside route is nice, but there's a good climb before you get to Seaside. I've done that ride as well. Puts you just a smidge north of Seaside.

How do you get from Portland up to Scapoose? How are the shoulders along 202?

Thanks,

Scott

Simple Nature
01-18-2011, 08:39 PM
this shows a pretty quiet route between Hillsboro and Banks -- as well as other north coast routes:

http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=36638&a=301633

Nice find, Jeff. Forgot all about that link.

dmc
01-18-2011, 11:48 PM
this shows a pretty quiet route between Hillsboro and Banks -- as well as other north coast routes:

http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=36638&a=301633

Thank you Jeff. I downloaded the .pdf files and added them to my existing collection of .pdf bike path files, In case the internet were to ever go out heaven forbid. :)

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Lacorota, I'm really interested in your trip details. This is something I plan on doing after I complete my first century (hopefully in the next year). From what I know of your mileage postings, this must be a day ride for you. Are you gonna get a place to crash in Astoria and then bike back? Or get a ride back? What type of elevation gain is this gonna be?

lacorota
01-19-2011, 04:48 PM
Thanks to all of you! It goes to show this forum is the very best! I didn't expect so many details coming from first-hand experience. I'll avoid hwy. 30 at all costs. It's my guess all the suggested routes should be passable during typical February weather -- stormy days excluded.

Cota
07-05-2011, 01:47 PM
Question about that Mist - Birkenfeld - Jewel route.

Last summer I rode out to Fort Stevens from Beaverton, following the ODOT map. I went through Hillsboro, up the Banks trail to Vernonia, where I camped. From Vernonia to Fort Stevens was a 70+ mile ride. I made it, but it was the longest, hardest day I've done on a loaded (or unloaded for that matter :)) bike.

I got to Vernonia in early afternoon and would have had plenty of time to go further, if I knew of a camping spot further down the road.

I'd be keen to cut some miles off the second day if anyone has any suggestions on camping arrangements.

-Cota

Simple Nature
07-05-2011, 02:53 PM
Cota, how was it to negotiate the logging trucks? Is there a trick to this?
I did the route by car and considered it off limits for my recumbent trike.

cyclotouriste
07-05-2011, 02:57 PM
Big Eddy county park is another 8 or so miles down the road from Vernonia. You can camp there; it doesn't cut too many miles out of the second day, but it helps a little bit.

And speaking as someone who has ridden it a dozen times, logging trucks on 47 slash 202 are not a problem. That road is EMPTY. Any cars you encounter have plenty of room to go around you in the oncoming lane.

Cota
07-06-2011, 06:10 AM
Cota, how was it to negotiate the logging trucks? Is there a trick to this?
I did the route by car and considered it off limits for my recumbent trike.

I had no trouble with the log trucks. It worried me at first, there are several blind corners. But they always gave me plenty of room. I did my best to not to be on the otherside of a blind of a corner by adjusting my speed or position in the lane.

And thanks for the tip about Big Eddy County Park. I think I know the place. I stopped in and looked at it on my way out of Vernonia. The place was deserted (it was october though), and didn't appear to have any hiker/biker sites. Even though it's only 8 miles, it might be worth it cost. I'd sure like to get a little further though.

-Cota

Simple Nature
07-06-2011, 11:05 AM
I see a fish hawk falls - lee wooden county park just past Jewel. Any facilities there?

cyclotouriste
07-06-2011, 01:48 PM
I see a fish hawk falls - lee wooden county park just past Jewel. Any facilities there?

Nope: http://www.co.clatsop.or.us/default.asp?deptid=10000&pageid=156

Simple Nature
07-06-2011, 05:27 PM
Nope: http://www.co.clatsop.or.us/default.asp?deptid=10000&pageid=156


I did see this... tells me that roughing it should be okay.

Cultural/Historical Significance:
Area residents have used the
meadow area in the past for weddings
and Boy Scout campouts.

http://www.co.clatsop.or.us/Assets/Dept_10000/PDF/LEE%20WOODEN.pdf

zaphoda
07-07-2011, 06:16 PM
I had no trouble with the log trucks. It worried me at first, there are several blind corners. But they always gave me plenty of room. I did my best to not to be on the otherside of a blind of a corner by adjusting my speed or position in the lane.

And thanks for the tip about Big Eddy County Park. I think I know the place. I stopped in and looked at it on my way out of Vernonia. The place was deserted (it was october though), and didn't appear to have any hiker/biker sites. Even though it's only 8 miles, it might be worth it cost. I'd sure like to get a little further though.

-Cota

I stayed at Big Eddy last year. They let us cyclists camp in the day-use area, charging us $7 apiece, as I recall. I agree with you about wanting to get farther along, though.

BTW, if you stay at Big Eddy, take earplugs: logging trucks go by throughout the night.