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K'Tesh
05-24-2010, 02:31 PM
There's a new fence on the Fanno Creek Trail being put in [EDIT: Where the trail crosses SW Hall in Beaverton. /EDIT]. I've got word from Jonathan that it's part of a new ramp that's being put in. Problem is, that someone jumped the gun apparently, and started installing the fence.

At Jonathan's request I went out there and took some pictures today (I was already planning on doing it, just hadn't gotten out there).

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4636767572_676926dacc.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/sets/72157624004138009/)
West side of SW Hall Blvd, facing North, Beaverton

I'm all for adding a ramp (actually, I'd like two, and some stairs, AND a better way of crossing there) but I'm not at all happy with this fence. Jonathan said he's planning on doing a front page article on it.

DaveT
05-24-2010, 02:38 PM
The City of Beaverton really doesn't want connectivity between their MUPs and the street. In other places they have put in offset fences to force people to dismount and walk; apparently here they decided to just block it off altogether. The city lawyers obviously call the shots; usability is not even on their list. :mad:

wsbob
05-24-2010, 04:21 PM
K'Tesh, do you not have any further details about why the city has determined this fence is necessary, or do forum readers have to wait for a front page story to find that out? ;)

My personal feeling is that most fences are kind of ugly, especially the kind that appears to be being built here. Sometimes fences are necessary though, for safety, environmental protection, maintenance and other practical reasons.

The picture seems to show posts that will take this fence across the entire end of the park, and not just across the present trail access point. That seems to suggest the fence has to do with more than simply blocking access to the current, steep, footworn dirt paths leading down to the asphalt surfaced Fanno Cr trail. If the new access ramp goes in before the fence fabric goes up, enabling continuous access to the Fanno Creek Trail, I'm not sure I see a major problem.

How about a cross-street name, so people might have a little easier time understanding exactly where the location shown in the picture is and thereby, what traffic conditions are like there? http://bikeportland.org/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

lynnef
05-24-2010, 04:22 PM
Please identify the street.

K'Tesh
05-24-2010, 05:03 PM
Here's an email sent to me concerning the issue:

All:

This e-mail is in response to concerns brought to our attention about the trail extension project in Greenway Park, south of Hall Blvd. Doug Menke, the Park Districts General Manager is out of the office and asked me to reply with this information.

City of Beaverton staff approached Park District staff about constructing a connection from the dead end of the trail on the south side of Hall Blvd up to the sidewalk by angling west toward the Greenway intersection. Park District staff reviewed the alignment and agreed with it.

Several years ago, when the Fanno Creek Trail section north of Hall Blvd was completed, Park District staff reviewed a safety concern expressed by the community about trail users crossing Hall Blvd at an extremely unsafe place in the road. District staff addressed this safety concern by posting signage directing trail users to the intersection at Hall and Greenway. Since many trail users continue to cross Hall Blvd at the trail intersection, it was determined that when the new pathway connection was put in place additional fencing would be installed between the existing trail dead-end and the sidewalk.

Two issues have created the problems related to this project:

1 - The Park District did not adequately communicate via our Community Outreach Procedure regarding the work that was being proposed. Even though the work was being proposed to be completed by the City, District staff should have ensured that our policy was being followed since the work was being done in the Park. We are holding any work on the paving pending completion of our public outreach which will include signage and a neighborhood meeting.

2 - Compounding the lack of communication regarding the project, installation of the fencing was started before the pathway connection was made. This would lead trail users to the conclusion that the access from the Albertson's parking lot would be the only connection to the trail on the south side of Hall Blvd. While the fence posts are now up, the fencing material is not, and we will hold on completion of the fence until we complete our public outreach.

The District has been aware of the concerns regarding this trail crossing for many years and that led to our application to Metro for funding a trail crossing feasibility study. While the District did receive this funding, and the feasibility study should be underway soon , there is no funding for construction of the design alternative that is selected. As such it may still be several years before a final crossing solution is completed. The proposed project is an interim solution to help trail users in the meantime.

We apologize for the confusion created by this project and will work to ensure that all interested parties are notified of the neighborhood meeting related to it. Public comments or questions can be directed to Dave Chrisman at dchrisma@thprd.org or Steve Gulgren at sgulgren@thprd.org .

Thank you.

Jim McElhinny
Director of Park and Recreation Services
Tualatin Hills Park and Recreation District

wsbob
05-24-2010, 09:43 PM
Alright...mucho better K'Tesh....http://www.bikeforums.net/images/smilies/thumb.gif. At least for me, THPRD Director of Park and Recreation Services Jim McElhinny's letter answers a number of questions about this situation. Now that I've been reminded that the location shown in the picture is Hall Blvd, I will say unequivocally that this street is horrifically dangerous to cross between intersections, as Fanno Creek Trail travelers have understandably been inclined to do (myself included, though last time there, I just gave up after waiting for a break in the traffic, went to the Hall/Evergreen intersection with crossing signal, for a safer crossing). It's a tragic accident waiting to happen.

Angling westward up towards the Albertsons store and the signaled intersection makes plenty of sense as an interim remedy. Just off the top of my head, the better design that comes to mind would be a very wide, airy tunnel under Hall Blvd. Translation: tons of money to do it. So I wouldn't be surprised if it could be a while for that to happen. If a tunnel were to be the design selected, I'd hope it could be something beautiful, yet low-key...something like tunnel architectural design used in construction of the Columbia River Gorge scenic highway, or like the bridge in Central Park NYC seen in many, many, movies.

At the last Beaverton Bicycle Advisory Committee meeting, I believe this interim crossing project was briefly discussed, but I didn't grasp the entire breadth of it. About the following excerpt from Jim McElhinny's letter, a question: Does this imply that a particular design alternative has already been created? Or that creating designs for an alternative crossing to the existing one are what's coming up, and as such, no alternative design presently exists?

"...The District has been aware of the concerns regarding this trail crossing for many years and that led to our application to Metro for funding a trail crossing feasibility study. While the District did receive this funding, and the feasibility study should be underway soon , there is no funding for construction of the design alternative that is selected. As such it may still be several years before a final crossing solution is completed. The proposed project is an interim solution to help trail users in the meantime. ..."

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P.S., DaveT...I hope you'll reconsider dismissing ol' Beaverton's rate of progress towards improved non-motor vehicle usability of its streets and trails. Aggravating as it can be, progress on these kinds of projects can be very complicated and drawn out. I don't know how much of that's due to apathy or contempt for people that aren't driving...but my limited experience in meetings I've attended tells me that good people really are trying to make things better.

I also sense though, that some of the slowness is definitely due to a lack of awareness that biking and walking really are serious alternatives to driving around in the car. One reason for that lack of awareness may definitely be due to the fact that the people attending the meetings are mostly not the people that are doing the majority of biking and walking rather than driving. I encourage anyone reading, especially if you're from the B, to go to your neighborhood meeting a few times to see if the sense you get from it is different than the one I've gotten.

Haven_kd7yct
05-25-2010, 02:53 PM
LynneF, the main thoroughfare to the right of the picture is Hall Blvd. Straight ahead and hidden by the trees is SW Greenway Blvd, a signalized intersection.

Haven_kd7yct
05-25-2010, 02:58 PM
Just a quick observation: in Google Maps, when I click "bicycling" and zoom in on the general area of K'Tesh's picture, above, it shows that the trail goes from one side of Hall directly across to the other WITHOUT going up to Greenway and across and back down.

Hm. Interesting.

hemp22
05-25-2010, 04:35 PM
It's kind of funny - when you "drive" past this location on google maps street view (heading Southeast on Hall), you see a dude in a red/orange hoodie, waiting on the side of the road to get across...then, shortly after the google van passes, you can look back and see him starting to dash across the 4 lanes of traffic.

wsbob
05-25-2010, 05:09 PM
Just a quick observation: in Google Maps, when I click "bicycling" and zoom in on the general area of K'Tesh's picture, above, it shows that the trail goes from one side of Hall directly across to the other WITHOUT going up to Greenway and across and back down.

Hm. Interesting.

Yep... . The people managing the ol' Google photo views do amazing things, but they also make mistakes. Something I've wondered about is what G is going to do about updating the photo inventory. If it's a manned plane or helicopter that does the photography...most likely...somebody will have to get up in the air and do it again sometime. Thanks to the Iraq/Afghani wars, unmanned drone technology may have sufficiently advanced to, in future, allow that work to be done remotely. Ah-h-h...a rainbow springs from one humanity's worst endeavors!

wsbob
05-30-2010, 09:08 PM
Reminder! ;) Beaverton Bike Advisory Committee meets this Tuesday, June 1st, 6:30pm.

First off, relative to the maus story and following discussion about the trail crossing issue at Hall Blvd, I want to make sure and say thanks to forum member Kt and another person, MIndful Cyclist, that commented in response to an idea I put forth in that discussion...to look at possibly reconfiguring the Alberton's/Arby's parking lot with roadways ala Beaverton Town Sq, to provide a more practical, safer, low cost interim route to get to the park while the community figures out a way to come up with the money for design and construction of a permanent route.

You two and others expressed reservations about danger that seemed legitimate to me, about the idea of tripping through the parking lot.

Kt #45 re; routing MUP through Albertsons/Arby's parking lot (http://bikeportland.org/2010/05/26/communication-breakdown-the-story-behind-the-fanno-creek-fence/#comment-1562170)

(MIndful Cyclist's comment is #47)

Not having been there for awhile, I couldn't remember the layout of the businesses and parking lot well enough to answer back at the time. So yesterday, Saturday the 29th, I rolled over on the bike and took a better look. Learned a lot.

From that look over, it seems to me there is a fair possibility that the parking lot could be reconfigured to allow a safe, bike/pedestrian MUP through to the park. Might mean losing some parking spaces...8 or 10...or making space for them elsewhere on the properties. Naturally, it would require advisory signs and stop signs to make it safe. Seems to work at the Fred's in Beaverton Town Square, so I'd think it could work here too.

There's a landscape buffer about 15' deep on the west side of the parking lot, extending from Hall, south to the main Albertson's parking lot entrance on Greenway. A MUP could travel lengthwise, descending to the mid-point of that landscape border, turning east to travel across the middle of the parking lot to the park on the other side.

In its direction east, the MUP would pass the north side of the massive tree in the middle of the parking lot, and the narrow planted barriers. The space between the narrow planted barriers would be brought closer together to enabling only pedestrian and bike passage through them. The MUP would parallel the parking lot area Arby's dedicates to motor vehicle entrance/exit to the restaurant and the takeout lane. This route across the parking lot is slightly more direct and would eliminate the need for bike/pedestrian traffic to travel a route passing directly in front of the Albertson's, which off-hand, seems to me to be wider than the Arby's location, and therefore more prone to more traffic and congestion.

The Target parking lot east of Beaverton Town Square is another example, (besides Town Square itself) that dedicates a percentage of lot area to a formal pedestrian walkway. Its pedestrian walkway is actually nicer...more functional, more beautiful, than the simple, rather narrow, sidewalk that BTS uses. As to the reason it was reconfigured from a more conventional parking lot layout...near as I can recall...within the last 5 years...my guess, was to calm and manage traffic flow through the lot which is huge by virtue of it serving a bunch of other businesses on the east border of the lot.

By coincidence on the trip out there, I ran into a couple people that are at the BAC regularly, one of them a person on the committee. So I'm told, this situation will be discussed at the upcoming meeting, though the bigger item sounds to be a presentation by Metro about the bike spa thingy coming to the Beav Transit and Sunset Transit centers. The committee member, Barbara, mentioned to me that the park district's possible route for the MUP would be cutting through the landscape, so maybe what I'm thinking is what it has in mind. Have to listen or ask at the meeting to find out.


Here's a google shot of the intersection and the businesses. Haven't yet got around to photoshopping in the route idea I just talked about. Hopefully, the way I've described it, it'll be easy to visualize without.:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_n9hUsKEqnng/TAMwNGbDthI/AAAAAAAAAP0/zpiUKI1o_Sc/s912/Google%20Earth%20image%20of%20Fanno%20Cr%20Tr%20cr ossing%20at%20Hall%20Blvd%20and%20Greenway.jpg

K'Tesh
05-31-2010, 12:53 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4654946507_0a5b29d58d_b.jpg

Here's an aerial photo that shows the current crossing options for pedestrians and cyclists (as well as wheelchairists) for making their way across SW Hall Blvd. These options are based on what is in place now, or could be added without building underpasses or flyovers.

Route A is the only route that is all on pavement/cement. Problems are:


There's a curb in place that wheelchairs cannot jump, forcing them to go nearly to the Albertson's building before they can make their way back to the sidewalk.
Motor vehicle traffic entering and exiting the busy Arby's/Albertson's parking lot is murderous, and completely unavoidable.
It puts cyclists on the sidewalk for EB crossings.
It's got a steep climb for non-motor assisted wheelchairs.

Route B's issues:


Cuts across an unpaved section of the park which is often swampy and soft making it impossible to manage in a wheelchair.
Motor vehicle traffic exiting Arby's/Albertson's parking lot is still murderous. Drivers are desperate to find a break in EB traffic to enter SW Hall, and not looking for vulnerable road users.
Traffic on SW Hall:

EB is fast moving, is often unbroken for long stretches of time, and often won't accommodate people trying to cross
SB traffic often ques all the way back to SW Crescent, blocking the view of WB traffic.
WB Traffic is often fast moving, can't see vulnerable road users, and often won't accommodate people trying to cross.



Route C's issues:

Traffic on SW Hall:

EB is fast moving, is often unbroken for long stretches of time, and often won't accommodate people trying to cross
SB traffic often ques all the way back to SW Crescent, blocking the view of WB traffic.
WB Traffic is often fast moving, can't see vulnerable road users, and often won't accommodate people trying to cross.


However, with the additional separation from right hand turning traffic at Arby's/Albertsons could allow a motorist to stop before hitting a person crossing there.

Route D's issues:

No paved ramp up from the trail to the sidewalk on the south side of SW Hall Blvd.
No signalized crossing at SW Crescent . Though legal, often cars won't stop for people crossing SW Hall.


"F" marks the next nearest signalized crossing of SW Hall.

IMHO Short of putting in a HAWK signal for a mid-block crossing, putting in a pair of ramps on the south side of SW Hall Blvd (one for EB and one for WB trail traffic) and a signal at SW Crescent would provide the best option for all trail users, with the least cost. I'd also be inclined to add another ramp on the north side of SW Hall Blvd (paralleling SW Hall) to allow a more direct connection for trail users.

Simple Nature
05-31-2010, 09:08 AM
I'd like to see p&r learn how to justify sky bridges. These seem to be built by odot only when a number of people are killed. Maybe a pro-active development would makie these more modular and common distribution would solve many of impeded pedestrian ways. Tunneling is another welcome option. As it is today, these projects lack the guts to be -fully- committed to make pedestrain ways complete.

wsbob
05-31-2010, 10:11 AM
Simple Nature....the $$$$$$ is probably the biggest reason Parks and Rec hasn't been able to provide a good route across Hall Blvd. With a lot of dough in hand, it could easily conceive of and build a bang-up swell looking passage way across or under the beastly asphalt nightmare of Hall. There may not be any money anymore that can be justified for fantastic expenditures like raising up Hall for an underpass or constructing a skybridge over it. I guess safe, but low budget is the word.

I suppose my through the parking lot idea may be seen by people as 'out there'. No doubt some people might automatically react against it, thinking 'can't be done', 'can't lose parking spaces', 'it would cost a lot of money and upset business to change the parking lot' etc. etc. etc. Inviting more park related (and otherwise) bike and pedestrian traffic directly into the Albertsons/Arby's parking lot seems like a good idea to me. People out on excursions through the park might want to stop for a snack or provisions for a picnic at either of the two stores. A MUP could make that experience much more accessible and enjoyable.

And I'd guess the cost to redesign and reconfigure the parking lot for an enhanced use like this might be lower than the cost of a new crosswalk signal of any type. Could be wrong, but I'm recalling that $70 thou was reportedly the cost of one of those HAWK signals. $150 thou for a R-Y-G.

K'Tesh
06-17-2010, 10:53 PM
I went out there tonight (around 8:30pm), and followed the "recommended" route (Route A from the previous post) NB, and then I took my preferred route (Route C).

Route A is .27 mile by my bike computer (and half of it is uphill). NB bike traffic is forced to use the sidewalk, or ride in a bike lane against traffic.

Route C is an easy, flat .03 mile

I went to the THPRD's Trails Advisory Meeting on Tuesday (this one was by invitation only), and was saddened to hear the committee vote 5 to 2 for putting in the fence. The 5 are under the impression that by putting in the fence will reduce or stop people from crossing mid-block. They were genuinely concerned for the safety of trail users, but couldn't be brought to realize that the fence will only concentrate the mid-block crossers next to the right hand turning traffic coming out of Arby's/Albertsons. IMHO that fence will get someone seriously injured or KILLED.

In the near future there will be a public meeting on how to improve the crossing here at SW Hall. I will post a notice as soon as I'm made aware of it.

K'Tesh
06-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Here are a few options that have been talked about for crossing SW Hall at the Fanno Creek Trail in Beaverton. I apologize for the crude drawings, I was in a hurry, and don't have access to better tools. I have no idea how much any of these options would cost.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4711322156_ab3acd8afd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/4711322156/)
Overpass Option (with switchbacks)

Problems for the Overpass:

Cost
SW Hall is 4 feet above the trail.
Minimum clearance for overpasses are 14 feet (17 feet recommended)
ADA requirements will require a ramp that is 300-400 feet long (either in a straight line or switchbacks) on each end of the crossing.
For bikes/wheelchairs, going up will be long and difficult, going down has speed/turning issues.



http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4710680883_467392fa26_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/4710680883)
Underpass Option

Problems for the Underpass

Cost
Wetland area has high water table.
Frequent flooding will close the trail.
Mud remains long after flooding (slipping hazard).
Height requiremets for trail clearance mean SW Hall is elevated 3-4ft


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4710680109_d70782e8c3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/4710680109)
Mid-Block Option (w/existing curb cuts)

Problems with the west option (in blue)

Righthand (EB) turning traffic puts bikes/peds/wheelchairs dangerously close together.
Longer than customary.
Odd angle could create confusion
Bad sightlines for NB trail users/WB motor traffic.


Problems with the east option (in red)

Longer than customary.
Odd angle could create confusion
Bad sightlines for NB trail users/WB motor traffic.


Due to image restrictions, I have to continue this in Crossing Options (pt 2) (http://www.bikeportland.org/forum/showpost.php?p=24109&postcount=17).

K'Tesh
06-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Crossing Options continued from part 1 (http://www.bikeportland.org/forum/showpost.php?p=24108&postcount=16)....

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1301/4711321356_8e1db1a47b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/4711321356)
Mid-Block Crossing (w/new curb cut)

Option to create a new curb cut, and paint a Mid-Block crossing.

Problems with this option are:

righthand turning ( EB) traffic exiting Arby's/Albertsons
sightlines.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/4711320978_585a8ddaed_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/4711320978)
New ramps and signals

Problems with this option are:

Cost
Perhaps longer than the current (legal) crossing option.
Still will have some "illegal" mid-block crossings.


However, a stoplight at Creekside will create breaks for people crossing SW Hall. Ramps only have to rise 4 feet over the distance, thus very managable for wheelchairs/bikes.

What none of the options show is how far back traffic backs up from the left hand turn lane starting at Greenway during rush hour. Queuing will often stretch to SW Creekside, and occasionally SW Nimbus. Any Pedestrian island located in the center lane would gridlock SW Hall for hours.

K'Tesh
06-19-2010, 01:29 AM
Went out tonight (I have a lot of business going on in Beaverton/Tigard/Sherwood lately) and on my way back, tested ROUTE D

It's .24 of a mile. Not a bad route, compared to ROUTE A, as it's a lot flatter. If the ramps and stoplight were put in, we could shave off a little of the extra distance that I had to go out of way to access the existing (north side) ramp.

BTW: For all of my distance checks, I'm starting and ending at the same points.

Spiffy
06-19-2010, 10:51 AM
I think an underpass trail is the best option... straight under the road where the current path cuts across... it can be long and easily conform to ADA requirements and look way better than an ugly overpass... otherwise I'd say just put in a pedestrian light to stop cars like on some other busy MUP crossings, but then that would anger car drivers...

if they're worried about the water table they could try raising the road a bit which may help slow car traffic as well...

q`Tzal
06-21-2010, 01:08 PM
Just a guess but raising the road in a wetland area, environmental concerns aside, will be problematic.
Hall would need to be completely shut down here to allow for the building of a larger and more rigid foundation in such spongy ground. If this segment was lifted, as a bridge/overpass, the same issue would exist.
Either of these two techniques for raising Hall sufficiently to allow a trail underpass is likely to require more time and resources to complete than a long MUP bridge.
Then there is the howling and screaming when you tell the community that Hall will be shut down for months/years.

wsbob
06-21-2010, 05:33 PM
If planners determined that Hall Blvd at this point in the road had to be completely renovated to accommodate a doubling or tripling in anticipated motor vehicle use of the road...something along those lines...it seems possible to me that the cost analysts might throw into the deal, an elevated roadway that would allow park visitors an unobstructed route under the road. There's no way the cost of raising the roadway is going to be justified for park users alone.

Tell you what....I'd much rather walk or bike around to reconnect with the trail, than subject the area to that much of an increase in roadway capacity for motor vehicle travel. Driving that road is already an ugly experience, not to mention what it's like on a bike.

K'Tesh
08-19-2010, 10:28 AM
THPRD has announced a public hearing on the fence and re-alignment on the Fanno Creek Trail/SW Hall midblock crossing.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4908003596_6bf521f2e9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/4908003596)
Greenway Park, the Public Notice Sign, and the Fence Posts

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4908004172_0e8b0ebd3c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/4908004172/)
The Public Notice Sign (and a Fence Post)

PUBLIC NOTICE
Greenway park/Fanno Creek Trail Proposed Re-Alignment
6:30Pm Sept 1, 2010 at Conestoga Recreation & Aquatic Center
Project Manager Dave Chrisman
(503) 629-6360

15707 SW Walker Road
Beaverton, Or 97006
Website: www.thprd.org (http://www.thprd.org)

So, if you're like me, and HATE the idea of having that fence finished, please join me at the meeting. If you want the fence finished, please make other plans for that night.

Thanks!
K'Tesh

DaveT
08-19-2010, 11:43 AM
It's on my calendar. I don't have a problem with them providing an alternate "safer" route and putting up a sign, but a big "NO" to the fence.

wsbob
08-19-2010, 09:37 PM
I'm not keen on this fence, but I also don't see a low cost alternative. It's fine to have a public hearing on the situation. The more people that know about it, the better. Maybe the officials can be persuaded to just leave it as it is, and let the public continue to take the risks that would go along with that choice, as they have been for some time now.

Besides someone actually being hit by a car while trying to cross, what's the worst that could happen? The apparently pressing sense of importance that seems to be driving the effort to put up the fence probably has something to do with not qualifying for part of some state or fed money pot, unless it, or some other safe route past Hall Blvd is provided (the cynical perspective must occasionally be voiced too.).

K'Tesh
09-01-2010, 12:40 PM
The meeting is tonight!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4908003596_6bf521f2e9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/4908003596)
Greenway Park, the Public Notice Sign, and the Fence Posts

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4908004172_0e8b0ebd3c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/4908004172/)
The Public Notice Sign (and a Fence Post)

PUBLIC NOTICE
Greenway park/Fanno Creek Trail Proposed Re-Alignment
6:30Pm Sept 1, 2010 at Conestoga Recreation & Aquatic Center
Project Manager Dave Chrisman
(503) 629-6360

15707 SW Walker Road
Beaverton, Or 97006
Website: www.thprd.org (http://www.thprd.org)

McKinley
09-03-2010, 10:10 AM
I saw the THPRD staffer carrying the board to the meeting. It was the same as the map they have had up on their website: http://www.thprd.org/pdfs/document832.pdf
However, I was unable to attend the meeting. Will they be proposing signs in the parking lot to tell drivers making right turns to look out for trail users? Based on the wording for the agenda item, it seems that the Park District is already committed to the easy option of installing a fence and a new paved section of trail that goes up to the north--intersecting at the driveway. Is this correct?

K'Tesh
09-03-2010, 11:41 AM
I saw the THPRD staffer carrying the board to the meeting. It was the same as the map they have had up on their website: http://www.thprd.org/pdfs/document832.pdf
However, I was unable to attend the meeting. Will they be proposing signs in the parking lot to tell drivers making right turns to look out for trail users? Based on the wording for the agenda item, it seems that the Park District is already committed to the easy option of installing a fence and a new paved section of trail that goes up to the north--intersecting at the driveway. Is this correct?

Yes, that is the correct image that they used in the meeting. The option that was favored by the other attendee's was to remove the section in yellow, and pave the path as outlined in that image, OR put a hook on it so a cyclist can't just go bombing down onto the trail.

After hearing the options (now remember this had nothing to do with crossing SW Hall), I personally voted to do nothing until a permanent solution could be made that includes a crossing. I was shot down 12 to 4 on that.

The fence was heavily favored by the people in attendance. I tried to come up with a compromise. Fence a small portion, but don't block the natural material ramp. That was also shot down.

The fallout of this, is that these are just ideas, and not binding. Still, it looked bad to me.

K'Tesh
02-01-2011, 10:33 PM
Poof! The fence posts are gone.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4073/5409446379_d302f9da3a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/5409446379/)

I didn't get a notice that they were going to be removed, and since I'm not going through there as often as I used to, I don't know how long it has been like this. It looked to me like they were removed over a week ago, the holes were filled in, and the fill didn't look fresh.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5217/5410059096_43814b86d0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/5410059096)

Now if the weather would only improve so we can get that paved link put in I'd be a lot happier.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/5409447147_eae3526348.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ufobike/5409447147)

Rubberside Down!
K'Tesh

K'Tesh
05-06-2011, 11:51 AM
The Fanno Creek Trail's New Segment Is Finally Finished...

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I was on my way to take pics yesterday when I got right hooked... Had a friend take me there today.