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mark
06-06-2008, 06:21 AM
In the last two weeks, I have had two close calls at the intersection of SW 3rd Ave and SW Clay St (riding south on SW 3rd Ave). My first close call was last week with a TriMet bus (#2008 ) and my second close call was this week with a small sedan (could not get info).

From my experience as an all-season bike commuter who has ridden this route for almost 10 years, I have learned to be very cautious at this intersection. I do not challenge the motorists. However, it seems as if many motorists (wrongly) assume that the right-hand vehicle lane is right-turn only. In both of my close call encounters, I was in the bike lane next to the vehicles, in plain sight, and not speeding.

I would love to see a Green Box at this intersection.

djasonpenney
06-06-2008, 08:32 AM
Would you clarify? Are you talking about the classic "right hook", or was the conflict something more subtle. Thanks.

--jason "Beaverton drivers are just as homicidal" p.

mark
06-07-2008, 07:10 AM
Yes ("right hook"). Both vehicles turned right (from one-way SW 3rd Ave southbound to one-way SW Clay St westbound).

Here is the Goggle Street View

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=sw+3rd+ave+and+sw+clay+st+portland+oregon&sll=45.514963,-122.683983&sspn=0.008014,0.019977&ie=UTF8&ll=45.516993,-122.678404&spn=0.008014,0.019977&z=16&layer=c&cbll=45.513066,-122.678408&panoid=Wg5zArEgGZD3M1uAqvgXpw&cbp=1,214.64827203997947,,0,28.135569156266328

djasonpenney
06-07-2008, 07:22 AM
Yes, this reminds me of southbound SW 158th Avenue approaching Old Baseline Road. Yes, there's a bike lane. No, I want to live.

There are places where it's just plain clear that a bike lane isn't going to do the job. After two bad experiences, I recommend that you start using the "correct" lane for your direction of travel. I know, you're supposed to use the bike lane when one is there, but if an LEO makes an issue, I think you probably would have an "as practicable" defense in court.

On a related issue, motorists have gotten anxious enough about right hooks out here in Beaverton that I will often leave the bike lane when I see a motorist signaling a right turn in front of me. (Carefully, while signaling, of course.)

That way I am a) out of the bike lane, and b) visible in the motorist's rear mirror. Again, I know I'm not supposed to leave the bike lane, but I've found that both the right turning motorist and the motorist I pull in front of seem to understand what I'm trying to do and, in many cases, seem to be visibly relieved.

I pull back over after the motorist has turned, of course.

toddistic
06-07-2008, 10:48 AM
you're allowed to leave the bike lane if conditions make it unsafe. drivers turning right i would consider unsafe. challenge the cars, they can wait 5 seconds while you do what you need to.