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	<title>Comments on: Is Burnside construction making Ankeny worse for bikes?</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel (teknotus) Johnson</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/07/06/is-burnside-construction-making-ankeny-worse-for-bikes-36196#comment-1582617</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel (teknotus) Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 01:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ankeny has gotten to be such a bad route with the construction that I started using Couch even though that is the major road now.  At least there the traffic is fairly  predictable.  People who are trying to use cut throughs are both the impatient type, and operating in lost mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ankeny has gotten to be such a bad route with the construction that I started using Couch even though that is the major road now.  At least there the traffic is fairly  predictable.  People who are trying to use cut throughs are both the impatient type, and operating in lost mode.</p>
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		<title>By: rigormrtis</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/07/06/is-burnside-construction-making-ankeny-worse-for-bikes-36196#comment-1581624</link>
		<dc:creator>rigormrtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@48 Lothar

&quot;Oh BTW, looks like a out of state-er tearing through our streets as well. (one of those suburb states)&quot;

So you have such powers of prognistication that you can divine everything about a driver simply by their license plate?  Surely it has occured to you that it might not even by the driver&#039;s car or might have been someone who has moved here but not yet changed their tags.

And yet you are probably flummoxed as to how and why drivers have stereotypes of bikers....

you know, just by looking at the bike you can tell it was someone who zips through neighborhoods and does not pay attention to signs......hopefully that sounds as idiotic to you as your statement did to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@48 Lothar</p>
<p>"Oh BTW, looks like a out of state-er tearing through our streets as well. (one of those suburb states)"</p>
<p>So you have such powers of prognistication that you can divine everything about a driver simply by their license plate?  Surely it has occured to you that it might not even by the driver's car or might have been someone who has moved here but not yet changed their tags.</p>
<p>And yet you are probably flummoxed as to how and why drivers have stereotypes of bikers....</p>
<p>you know, just by looking at the bike you can tell it was someone who zips through neighborhoods and does not pay attention to signs......hopefully that sounds as idiotic to you as your statement did to me.</p>
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		<title>By: are</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/07/06/is-burnside-construction-making-ankeny-worse-for-bikes-36196#comment-1581507</link>
		<dc:creator>are</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>imagine for a moment, skidmark, that ankeny does not go to point b.  are you saying we have to build it through?  no?  then think of the diverter as being the end of the road.  for motorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imagine for a moment, skidmark, that ankeny does not go to point b.  are you saying we have to build it through?  no?  then think of the diverter as being the end of the road.  for motorists.</p>
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		<title>By: SkidMark</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/07/06/is-burnside-construction-making-ankeny-worse-for-bikes-36196#comment-1581467</link>
		<dc:creator>SkidMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re missing the point. For it to truly be a grid you should be able to get from point a to point b on any street without zigzagging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're missing the point. For it to truly be a grid you should be able to get from point a to point b on any street without zigzagging.</p>
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		<title>By: are</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/07/06/is-burnside-construction-making-ankeny-worse-for-bikes-36196#comment-1581458</link>
		<dc:creator>are</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re comment 51, there is a coarse grid, with burnside and sandy and suchlike, and then there a finer grid, with ankeny and all those little neighborhood streets back there.  you stay on the coarse grid, you don&#039;t have to jog this way or even that.  the only thing making cars stay on the roads longer is other cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re comment 51, there is a coarse grid, with burnside and sandy and suchlike, and then there a finer grid, with ankeny and all those little neighborhood streets back there.  you stay on the coarse grid, you don't have to jog this way or even that.  the only thing making cars stay on the roads longer is other cars.</p>
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		<title>By: SkidMark</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/07/06/is-burnside-construction-making-ankeny-worse-for-bikes-36196#comment-1581425</link>
		<dc:creator>SkidMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 16:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t even begin to express how much I hate &quot;traffic calming&quot; whether on a bike or in a car.A grid is supposed to function as a grid,in other words you travel in x direction,then travel in y direction, instead of having to jog this way and that way every few block. It just make it take longer, once again making cars stay on the road longer. It is frustrating,which i believe is the exact opposite of calm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't even begin to express how much I hate "traffic calming" whether on a bike or in a car.A grid is supposed to function as a grid,in other words you travel in x direction,then travel in y direction, instead of having to jog this way and that way every few block. It just make it take longer, once again making cars stay on the road longer. It is frustrating,which i believe is the exact opposite of calm.</p>
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		<title>By: roger noehren</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger noehren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very happy to see this issue of car drivers using Ankeny and other designated bike boulevards to avoid congestion on the neighboring arterials being discussed in this forum.

This has been my pet peeve since I began working at the Bicycle Repair Collective (when it was where Citybikes&#039; mother shop is now) in 1981.

I began working at Citybikes Annex at se 8th &amp; Ankeny in 1995 and found the problem to be even worse (drivers turning off Grand and racing uphill to Sandy &amp; 11th. Before the construction on Burnside, most would turn off Ankeny after the first or second speed bump.

I have raised the issue many times and have recommended diverters every four or five blocks.
There is no traffic calming whatsoever on lower Ankeny.

There are frequent fender benders &amp; car/bike mishaps in this vicinity.

I started riding on Ash &amp; Pine years ago - much mellower (&amp; the hill is more gradual).

I lived at se 24th &amp; Yamhill which is adjacent to Belmont for 16 years. It is a neighborhood street with stop signs and no problem with drivers using it as a shortcut/speedway.

I frequently ride on NE Rodney, another very relaxed neighborhood street (one block off MLK) with stop signs &amp; no speeders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm very happy to see this issue of car drivers using Ankeny and other designated bike boulevards to avoid congestion on the neighboring arterials being discussed in this forum.</p>
<p>This has been my pet peeve since I began working at the Bicycle Repair Collective (when it was where Citybikes' mother shop is now) in 1981.</p>
<p>I began working at Citybikes Annex at se 8th &amp; Ankeny in 1995 and found the problem to be even worse (drivers turning off Grand and racing uphill to Sandy &amp; 11th. Before the construction on Burnside, most would turn off Ankeny after the first or second speed bump.</p>
<p>I have raised the issue many times and have recommended diverters every four or five blocks.<br />
There is no traffic calming whatsoever on lower Ankeny.</p>
<p>There are frequent fender benders &amp; car/bike mishaps in this vicinity.</p>
<p>I started riding on Ash &amp; Pine years ago - much mellower (&amp; the hill is more gradual).</p>
<p>I lived at se 24th &amp; Yamhill which is adjacent to Belmont for 16 years. It is a neighborhood street with stop signs and no problem with drivers using it as a shortcut/speedway.</p>
<p>I frequently ride on NE Rodney, another very relaxed neighborhood street (one block off MLK) with stop signs &amp; no speeders.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised by this crash at all. It&#039;s always been a case of &quot;when&quot; rather than &quot;where&quot;. 

Ankeny Street is a terrible, terrible street to ride a bike on during rush hour time. I don&#039;t know a single car-driver among my friends who is aware of Ankeny Street&#039;s bicycle boulevard status.  The way they all see it, Ankeny Street is just an extra two-lane extension of Burnside, on which they can speed at will to avoid the lights, and get to SE 20th. All the taxi drivers I know take Ankeny instead of Burnside now.  Car drivers come off the Burnside Bridge all the way down at Grand, &amp; take Ankeny the entire way to 20th. I also see many, many, MANY drivers turn right onto Ankeny from SE 20th to avoid waiting at the light at Sandy. 

Much of the traffic using the boulevard is NOT the patient kind either. Think about it: what sort of motorists are the type that use bike boulevards for 20 blocks?? Answer: the impatient kind that rev their engines and honk their horns at you. 

It makes my blood boil to see SO MUCH non-local car traffic using the boulevard. And although I hate to sound whiny, it makes me even more mad to see how indifferently the City&#039;s response has been thus far towards creating a safer fix on this bike boulevard (namely diversion at SE 6th, &amp; again at SE 12th). 

I commute along Ankeny every day, and it&#039;s the most fraught segment of my bike-commute, hands-down. I&#039;ve grown to despise it and fear it, and it makes me sad, because this isn&#039;t what a bike boulevard is supposed to be like, for me, for my friends, or for my family. 

Rant over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not surprised by this crash at all. It's always been a case of "when" rather than "where". </p>
<p>Ankeny Street is a terrible, terrible street to ride a bike on during rush hour time. I don't know a single car-driver among my friends who is aware of Ankeny Street's bicycle boulevard status.  The way they all see it, Ankeny Street is just an extra two-lane extension of Burnside, on which they can speed at will to avoid the lights, and get to SE 20th. All the taxi drivers I know take Ankeny instead of Burnside now.  Car drivers come off the Burnside Bridge all the way down at Grand, &amp; take Ankeny the entire way to 20th. I also see many, many, MANY drivers turn right onto Ankeny from SE 20th to avoid waiting at the light at Sandy. </p>
<p>Much of the traffic using the boulevard is NOT the patient kind either. Think about it: what sort of motorists are the type that use bike boulevards for 20 blocks?? Answer: the impatient kind that rev their engines and honk their horns at you. </p>
<p>It makes my blood boil to see SO MUCH non-local car traffic using the boulevard. And although I hate to sound whiny, it makes me even more mad to see how indifferently the City's response has been thus far towards creating a safer fix on this bike boulevard (namely diversion at SE 6th, &amp; again at SE 12th). </p>
<p>I commute along Ankeny every day, and it's the most fraught segment of my bike-commute, hands-down. I've grown to despise it and fear it, and it makes me sad, because this isn't what a bike boulevard is supposed to be like, for me, for my friends, or for my family. </p>
<p>Rant over!</p>
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		<title>By: lothar</title>
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		<dc:creator>lothar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just look at how close the car is to the curb.People cut left turns sharp like that when they are going fast after being stuck in traffic to try to get around. Oh BTW, looks like a out of state-er tearing through our streets as well. (one of those suburb states)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just look at how close the car is to the curb.People cut left turns sharp like that when they are going fast after being stuck in traffic to try to get around. Oh BTW, looks like a out of state-er tearing through our streets as well. (one of those suburb states)</p>
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		<title>By: Margaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 01:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mindful Cyclist #22 and Jessica Roberts #36: Good points about the hazards and law regarding larger vehicles parked close to an intersection.

You can call the city&#039;s parking enforcement hotline to report parking violations in residential areas, but the neighborly thing to do is leave a polite note on the windshield first and see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mindful Cyclist #22 and Jessica Roberts #36: Good points about the hazards and law regarding larger vehicles parked close to an intersection.</p>
<p>You can call the city's parking enforcement hotline to report parking violations in residential areas, but the neighborly thing to do is leave a polite note on the windshield first and see what happens.</p>
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