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	<title>Comments on: A new bike safety effort that just might stick</title>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/01/25/a-new-bike-safety-effort-that-just-might-stick-28539#comment-1497326</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps a friendly sticker near the dashboard to remind drivers to watch for cyclists. insurance agents might even help disperse them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps a friendly sticker near the dashboard to remind drivers to watch for cyclists. insurance agents might even help disperse them</p>
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		<title>By: cyclist</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/01/25/a-new-bike-safety-effort-that-just-might-stick-28539#comment-1497012</link>
		<dc:creator>cyclist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like most things that you see on a regular basis drivers will &quot;not see it&quot; anymore. Like the dust on the monitor, it will be there but will be forgotten and unnoticed after a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like most things that you see on a regular basis drivers will "not see it" anymore. Like the dust on the monitor, it will be there but will be forgotten and unnoticed after a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/01/25/a-new-bike-safety-effort-that-just-might-stick-28539#comment-1496987</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So which do you prefer:

A. Ride in the blind spot where a car might right hook you, and trust a tiny decal to tell the driver not to kill you.

B. Just take the blasted lane so the driver can clearly see you.

Looks like people are picking A.  I pick B.  It just works.

If you operate like a vehicle, you don&#039;t need bike lanes or pretty colored paint or illegal bike boxes or barrier protection or magic decals.  

How long until you admit that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So which do you prefer:</p>
<p>A. Ride in the blind spot where a car might right hook you, and trust a tiny decal to tell the driver not to kill you.</p>
<p>B. Just take the blasted lane so the driver can clearly see you.</p>
<p>Looks like people are picking A.  I pick B.  It just works.</p>
<p>If you operate like a vehicle, you don't need bike lanes or pretty colored paint or illegal bike boxes or barrier protection or magic decals.  </p>
<p>How long until you admit that?</p>
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		<title>By: david....no the other one</title>
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		<dc:creator>david....no the other one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK OK confession time. I have..a truck, a toyota pickup. I know disheartening, but it stays in the garage, and it has mirrors that are big. I mean BIG, semi truck big. Not the little verticule ones on pickups, the ones on semi trucks that show blind spots. These arn&#039;t in addition they are the only ones on my truck they are so big, people see them and laugh but they really show EVERYTHING. By the way each mirror cost eight dollars at a truck stop. Saving lives priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK OK confession time. I have..a truck, a toyota pickup. I know disheartening, but it stays in the garage, and it has mirrors that are big. I mean BIG, semi truck big. Not the little verticule ones on pickups, the ones on semi trucks that show blind spots. These arn't in addition they are the only ones on my truck they are so big, people see them and laugh but they really show EVERYTHING. By the way each mirror cost eight dollars at a truck stop. Saving lives priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2010/01/25/a-new-bike-safety-effort-that-just-might-stick-28539#comment-1496939</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at $2 this is going nowhere fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at $2 this is going nowhere fast.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had a ghost cyclist in my mirror all the time I think I would tend to not look at it. It might even be a hinderance to what might actually be there if I thought I was trying to not look at it. Valiant try but am not convinced it is a good idea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had a ghost cyclist in my mirror all the time I think I would tend to not look at it. It might even be a hinderance to what might actually be there if I thought I was trying to not look at it. Valiant try but am not convinced it is a good idea</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post Jonathan. And thanks to those that commented. I&#039;ll try to respond to some of the comments. 

One that stood out was &#039;guerilla stickers&#039;. I absolutely would not endorse doing such a thing. It would seem wasteful and considered vandalism. 

I agree that a big obstacle is getting non-cyclists who need it the most to purchase the stickers. My answer is that it needs to start from us. Handing the sticker to my parents and in-laws created a discussion. Even as a cyclist for over 2 decades, I don&#039;t think we ever had a discussion on bicycle awareness. My mom&#039;s comment later was that she&#039;s now seeing more cyclists on the road than before. The number of bicyclists didn&#039;t increase, the sticker and the discussion made her more aware. And now there&#039;s a daily reminder when she gets in her car. 

Right hand mirrors. This was actually the &quot;idea sparker&quot;. So many times, I&#039;m riding and a car passes me to make a right turn. I&#039;m looking right in the person&#039;s face through that right mirror asking... &quot;are you going to look at me? Please?&quot; Then I glance at the rear view mirror... still not looking. Then I know for sure this guy is going to cut me off. When I can make eye contact with a driver through that mirror I know I&#039;ll be allowed to pass or at least be acknowledged. If the sticker was placed on the top-left of the mirror it doesn&#039;t cover the view. Unless you like your mirror angled all the way out.

Thanks for the links Kahl Spencer. I will post them on the site. 

Donna, you are right. I initially thought that the glue-based decal was necessary for the exterior of the car. But in fact the static cling decals work just as well. They can be peeled and rinsed and it will stick again. 

Re: Texting and Cell Phones. Perhaps an iPhone App that detects that you&#039;re in a moving car and when you try to text or dial, the VV sticker exclamation mark appears. Hmmm...any iPhone app builders out there?

Thanks all for this rich discussion. 

Raymond Galang
VigilantVelo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post Jonathan. And thanks to those that commented. I'll try to respond to some of the comments. </p>
<p>One that stood out was 'guerilla stickers'. I absolutely would not endorse doing such a thing. It would seem wasteful and considered vandalism. </p>
<p>I agree that a big obstacle is getting non-cyclists who need it the most to purchase the stickers. My answer is that it needs to start from us. Handing the sticker to my parents and in-laws created a discussion. Even as a cyclist for over 2 decades, I don't think we ever had a discussion on bicycle awareness. My mom's comment later was that she's now seeing more cyclists on the road than before. The number of bicyclists didn't increase, the sticker and the discussion made her more aware. And now there's a daily reminder when she gets in her car. </p>
<p>Right hand mirrors. This was actually the "idea sparker". So many times, I'm riding and a car passes me to make a right turn. I'm looking right in the person's face through that right mirror asking... "are you going to look at me? Please?" Then I glance at the rear view mirror... still not looking. Then I know for sure this guy is going to cut me off. When I can make eye contact with a driver through that mirror I know I'll be allowed to pass or at least be acknowledged. If the sticker was placed on the top-left of the mirror it doesn't cover the view. Unless you like your mirror angled all the way out.</p>
<p>Thanks for the links Kahl Spencer. I will post them on the site. </p>
<p>Donna, you are right. I initially thought that the glue-based decal was necessary for the exterior of the car. But in fact the static cling decals work just as well. They can be peeled and rinsed and it will stick again. </p>
<p>Re: Texting and Cell Phones. Perhaps an iPhone App that detects that you're in a moving car and when you try to text or dial, the VV sticker exclamation mark appears. Hmmm...any iPhone app builders out there?</p>
<p>Thanks all for this rich discussion. </p>
<p>Raymond Galang<br />
VigilantVelo.com</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea. They are cling decals so they come right off. (Remember Colorforms?) As such, they would cause no damage to a car mirror.

They would be an excellent training tool for a motorist who could take them off once they are in the habit of looking for bikes in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea. They are cling decals so they come right off. (Remember Colorforms?) As such, they would cause no damage to a car mirror.</p>
<p>They would be an excellent training tool for a motorist who could take them off once they are in the habit of looking for bikes in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: El Biciclero</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Biciclero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be great to have stickers on drivers&#039; right-hand side mirrors...then all we would have to do is get them to ACTUALLY LOOK in those mirrors before turning right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great to have stickers on drivers' right-hand side mirrors...then all we would have to do is get them to ACTUALLY LOOK in those mirrors before turning right.</p>
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		<title>By: khal spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>khal spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, by the way, here is the Mass Bike site that has a list of all their instructional stuff.
http://www.massbike.org/projectsnew/law-officer-training/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way, here is the Mass Bike site that has a list of all their instructional stuff.<br />
<a href="http://www.massbike.org/projectsnew/law-officer-training/" rel="nofollow">http://www.massbike.org/projectsnew/law-officer-training/</a></p>
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