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	<title>Comments on: Editorial: The bicycle insurance gap and what we can do about it</title>
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		<title>By: Ventura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ventura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My proposed solution to this problem is simple, and comprised of two parts.

The first is a modern, single payer health care system like most of the developed world has.  Then your medical care from an accident is paid by that system.  

The second part is &quot;insurance by the gallon.&quot;  Instead of relying on car drivers to comply with the law and purchase insurance, the retail price of gasoline will include insurance.  This would also mean that heavier vehicles, speeding vehicles, and vehicles that drive more miles would all pay more for insurance, which is appropriate.

To be effective, this would need to be nationwide.  Since the insurance industry has purchased enough members of congress to prevent that from happening, prospects are dim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My proposed solution to this problem is simple, and comprised of two parts.</p>
<p>The first is a modern, single payer health care system like most of the developed world has.  Then your medical care from an accident is paid by that system.  </p>
<p>The second part is "insurance by the gallon."  Instead of relying on car drivers to comply with the law and purchase insurance, the retail price of gasoline will include insurance.  This would also mean that heavier vehicles, speeding vehicles, and vehicles that drive more miles would all pay more for insurance, which is appropriate.</p>
<p>To be effective, this would need to be nationwide.  Since the insurance industry has purchased enough members of congress to prevent that from happening, prospects are dim.</p>
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		<title>By: Atbman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atbman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t any of the main cycling organisations do something like the CTC&#039;s (UK) 3rd party insurance as part of their membership?

See http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Go_Biking_with_CTC/CTC_Master_Insurance_Policy.pdf

British Cycling membership also provides cover, see www.britishcycling.org.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't any of the main cycling organisations do something like the CTC's (UK) 3rd party insurance as part of their membership?</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Go_Biking_with_CTC/CTC_Master_Insurance_Policy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Go_Biking_with_CTC/CTC_Master_Insurance_Policy.pdf</a></p>
<p>British Cycling membership also provides cover, see <a href="http://www.britishcycling.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.britishcycling.org.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Griffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted, the capacity for carnage of a bike is much less than that of a motor vehicle, but collisions do happen and insurance would be nice. And its not just motor vehicle related bicycle collisions that cyclist should be worried about in terms of insurance. Bike vs bike collisions do happen and there also times when a cyclist is at fault in a bike vs car crash. 

Insurance is the socially responsible option, but in four years of looking, I haven&#039;t found an insurance company that offers cyclist insurance in the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, the capacity for carnage of a bike is much less than that of a motor vehicle, but collisions do happen and insurance would be nice. And its not just motor vehicle related bicycle collisions that cyclist should be worried about in terms of insurance. Bike vs bike collisions do happen and there also times when a cyclist is at fault in a bike vs car crash. </p>
<p>Insurance is the socially responsible option, but in four years of looking, I haven't found an insurance company that offers cyclist insurance in the area.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Allyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Allyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johathan:

It can be enslavement in the fact that you are forced to buy a car if you want auto-type insurance for your bicycle.

I think that what is needed is our own &#039;pool&#039; or underwriting that is tailored for us and not having to force us to buy a car just to have the type of insurance that we need.

As I suggested elsewhere, I think this would be a business (and investment) opportunity for us as a community. 

I think that Albina Bank was formed because of a similar vacuum as this one. 

Surly, there are business types within this community who would be more knowledgeable in what it would take to form our own underwriting firm and insurance tailored for bicyclist&#039;s needs.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johathan:</p>
<p>It can be enslavement in the fact that you are forced to buy a car if you want auto-type insurance for your bicycle.</p>
<p>I think that what is needed is our own 'pool' or underwriting that is tailored for us and not having to force us to buy a car just to have the type of insurance that we need.</p>
<p>As I suggested elsewhere, I think this would be a business (and investment) opportunity for us as a community. </p>
<p>I think that Albina Bank was formed because of a similar vacuum as this one. </p>
<p>Surly, there are business types within this community who would be more knowledgeable in what it would take to form our own underwriting firm and insurance tailored for bicyclist's needs.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: are</title>
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		<dc:creator>are</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is enslavement if you are required to buy insurance to cover a risk that someone else has externalized and which the culture refuses to require them to cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is enslavement if you are required to buy insurance to cover a risk that someone else has externalized and which the culture refuses to require them to cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth, the thing about insurance is that you never know when you&#039;ll need it. You call it &quot;fiscal enslavement,&quot; I call it peace of mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth, the thing about insurance is that you never know when you'll need it. You call it "fiscal enslavement," I call it peace of mind.</p>
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		<title>By: beth h</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think buying car insurance when you don&#039;t have a car is a classic example of fiscal enslavement. 

How many people would buy in to participate in a non-motorists&#039; mutual aid society?
Just curious.
(I would.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think buying car insurance when you don't have a car is a classic example of fiscal enslavement. </p>
<p>How many people would buy in to participate in a non-motorists' mutual aid society?<br />
Just curious.<br />
(I would.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my work as an attorney representing cyclist I see these types of claims frequently.

I think the author means UM not UIM coverage. UM stands for Uninsured Motorist, i.e. a person who hits you who has no auto insurance, while UIM stands for Under Insured Motorist i.e. a person with a $25K policy who seriously injuries a cyclist (or anyone). Both a UM and a UIM claim are claims against your own auto insurance. UIM is for the amount of your coverage ABOVE the other driver&#039;s policy limit. UM begins at the first dollar.

So bad driver has $25K insurance policy, you are hurt very badly. If you have a $50K policy (or higher) you can pursue a UIM claim on your own policy for the difference between the 2 policies.

A UM claim however in when the driver who hit you has no insurance, or a hit and run.

That difference stated, most insurance policies in Oregon have the same AMOUNT of UIM/UM coverage so they are often written as UM/UIM on the declaration page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my work as an attorney representing cyclist I see these types of claims frequently.</p>
<p>I think the author means UM not UIM coverage. UM stands for Uninsured Motorist, i.e. a person who hits you who has no auto insurance, while UIM stands for Under Insured Motorist i.e. a person with a $25K policy who seriously injuries a cyclist (or anyone). Both a UM and a UIM claim are claims against your own auto insurance. UIM is for the amount of your coverage ABOVE the other driver's policy limit. UM begins at the first dollar.</p>
<p>So bad driver has $25K insurance policy, you are hurt very badly. If you have a $50K policy (or higher) you can pursue a UIM claim on your own policy for the difference between the 2 policies.</p>
<p>A UM claim however in when the driver who hit you has no insurance, or a hit and run.</p>
<p>That difference stated, most insurance policies in Oregon have the same AMOUNT of UIM/UM coverage so they are often written as UM/UIM on the declaration page.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly adjacent topic: I seem to recall that several years ago, the Oregon state legislature passed a bill allowing insurance companies to sell &#039;occasional driver&#039; insurance in Oregon. As a daily bike commuter who clocks less than 1000mi a year on my car, I would really appreciate the option of purchasing insurance that actually reflected my associated risk and liability. Sadly, last I checked, none of the insurance companies were offering a low-mileage form of coverage in Oregon, despite all that work by our legislators. Does anyone have more info on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly adjacent topic: I seem to recall that several years ago, the Oregon state legislature passed a bill allowing insurance companies to sell 'occasional driver' insurance in Oregon. As a daily bike commuter who clocks less than 1000mi a year on my car, I would really appreciate the option of purchasing insurance that actually reflected my associated risk and liability. Sadly, last I checked, none of the insurance companies were offering a low-mileage form of coverage in Oregon, despite all that work by our legislators. Does anyone have more info on this?</p>
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		<title>By: are</title>
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		<dc:creator>are</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, thanks jonathan for providing me the platform</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, thanks jonathan for providing me the platform</p>
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