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	<title>Comments on: Hundreds of new trees coming to the I-205 bikeway</title>
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		<title>By: Eugenean</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1487123</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugenean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul # 28

As a bicyclist and a friend of trees I can&#039;t help but be blown away by the negativity and anti tree zealotry here. But I want to respond to two errors of Paul&#039;s in comment 28. The ponderosa&#039;s planted are a subspecies of Pinus ponderosa called valley pine that is native to the Willamette Valley. Point two is that almost no one on earth is allergic to pine pollen of any type, although many think so. It has nearly non-allergenic pollen, like Doug-fir and several other trees. People often confuse pine pollen for the cause of their allergies. It&#039;s a lovely color though.
Cheers,
Erik</description>
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<p>As a bicyclist and a friend of trees I can't help but be blown away by the negativity and anti tree zealotry here. But I want to respond to two errors of Paul's in comment 28. The ponderosa's planted are a subspecies of Pinus ponderosa called valley pine that is native to the Willamette Valley. Point two is that almost no one on earth is allergic to pine pollen of any type, although many think so. It has nearly non-allergenic pollen, like Doug-fir and several other trees. People often confuse pine pollen for the cause of their allergies. It's a lovely color though.<br />
Cheers,<br />
Erik</p>
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		<title>By: ep</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1487072</link>
		<dc:creator>ep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bike people,
Tree&#039;s help with erosion, waste water from the highway, habitat for animals, shade for people, clean air. I get that you want to have a path that is smooth and safe, I don&#039;t get how ignorant you are to think that you are the only one&#039;s using the path. We all have a right to use it and sometimes what is right for the greater good should be right for you.
Tree people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike people,<br />
Tree's help with erosion, waste water from the highway, habitat for animals, shade for people, clean air. I get that you want to have a path that is smooth and safe, I don't get how ignorant you are to think that you are the only one's using the path. We all have a right to use it and sometimes what is right for the greater good should be right for you.<br />
Tree people</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1486985</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn bikers, ALWAYS complaining about something. now trees? seriously? TREES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn bikers, ALWAYS complaining about something. now trees? seriously? TREES!</p>
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		<title>By: la otra</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1486294</link>
		<dc:creator>la otra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>holy crap you people are nuts! It&#039;s just trees, you losers! we&#039;ve got lots of them already in this part of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holy crap you people are nuts! It's just trees, you losers! we've got lots of them already in this part of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: LR</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1484131</link>
		<dc:creator>LR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some areas of shade will be a welcome relief for those of us who walk the I-205 path.  I&#039;m excited to see that trees are being planted there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some areas of shade will be a welcome relief for those of us who walk the I-205 path.  I'm excited to see that trees are being planted there!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lee</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1483781</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friday I spoke with Brighton West, who coordinated the planting at 94th and Yamhill for Friends of Trees with Metro, and on Sunday went out to the site, which is just over the pedestrian bridge from the Main Street Station on the Max Green (of course!) line.

Comments:

1. Lots of hard work went into planting several hundred expensive trees: Douglas fir, true fir, several varieties of spruce, plus some broadleaves/hardwoods.  Looks like a reforestation project!

2. The plantings are on the path side of a berm, where they can contribute nothing to noise reduction, even when fully grown; the berm itself preempts that function.

3. All plantings are well away from the path, which is the old one along the west tide of I-205, mostly in the form of the neighborhood’s concrete sidewalk.

4. When the trees reach maturity there will be a tall front of dark foliage about 15 feet to the east shading the path; probably the boles of the confers will be clear of branches well above the ground.

The purpose of this is not clear; it seems to accomplish nothing.
What is wrong with open meadows, fields and moors?  I like forests, but they need not be everywhere.  This planting makes as much sense as downhill singletrack through Hoyt Arboretum.

Multiuse paths are dangerous for all users.  They should be evenly illuminated, without shade and shadows, with good sightlines 100 feet ahead, so we can easily see pedestrians, baby strollers, dogs, other cyclists.

I applaud Friends of Trees, but I would rather cycle safely in broad daylight than through artificial forests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friday I spoke with Brighton West, who coordinated the planting at 94th and Yamhill for Friends of Trees with Metro, and on Sunday went out to the site, which is just over the pedestrian bridge from the Main Street Station on the Max Green (of course!) line.</p>
<p>Comments:</p>
<p>1. Lots of hard work went into planting several hundred expensive trees: Douglas fir, true fir, several varieties of spruce, plus some broadleaves/hardwoods.  Looks like a reforestation project!</p>
<p>2. The plantings are on the path side of a berm, where they can contribute nothing to noise reduction, even when fully grown; the berm itself preempts that function.</p>
<p>3. All plantings are well away from the path, which is the old one along the west tide of I-205, mostly in the form of the neighborhood’s concrete sidewalk.</p>
<p>4. When the trees reach maturity there will be a tall front of dark foliage about 15 feet to the east shading the path; probably the boles of the confers will be clear of branches well above the ground.</p>
<p>The purpose of this is not clear; it seems to accomplish nothing.<br />
What is wrong with open meadows, fields and moors?  I like forests, but they need not be everywhere.  This planting makes as much sense as downhill singletrack through Hoyt Arboretum.</p>
<p>Multiuse paths are dangerous for all users.  They should be evenly illuminated, without shade and shadows, with good sightlines 100 feet ahead, so we can easily see pedestrians, baby strollers, dogs, other cyclists.</p>
<p>I applaud Friends of Trees, but I would rather cycle safely in broad daylight than through artificial forests.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob_M</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1483661</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record Ponderosa pine are native on the west side of the cascades.  The whole pavement heaving issue can be avoided by installing inexpensive  plastic panels into the ground along the path shoulder. (root barriers as I noted in comment #4) 
Trees are good, and a little forethought and design can prevent problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record Ponderosa pine are native on the west side of the cascades.  The whole pavement heaving issue can be avoided by installing inexpensive  plastic panels into the ground along the path shoulder. (root barriers as I noted in comment #4)<br />
Trees are good, and a little forethought and design can prevent problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Afro Biker</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1483244</link>
		<dc:creator>Afro Biker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t think there was anything wrong with this path as it is. Can&#039;t we ever leave anything alone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn't think there was anything wrong with this path as it is. Can't we ever leave anything alone?</p>
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		<title>By: FreeChristmasTrees</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1483211</link>
		<dc:creator>FreeChristmasTrees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did you say they were planted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you say they were planted?</p>
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		<title>By: oldguyonabike</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/12/17/hundreds-of-new-trees-coming-to-the-i-205-bikeway-27293#comment-1483051</link>
		<dc:creator>oldguyonabike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no visual obstruction of any kind in the places the way the trees are planted.  I cannot believe this thread of dissention against green environmental improvement even occurred.  I&#039;m done.  Enjoy the ride.  Be safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no visual obstruction of any kind in the places the way the trees are planted.  I cannot believe this thread of dissention against green environmental improvement even occurred.  I'm done.  Enjoy the ride.  Be safe.</p>
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