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	<title>Comments on: Interbike Day 1: Wading into a foreign land</title>
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		<title>By: Biking to the airport &#124; Taking the Lane</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/09/23/in-a-foreign-land-wading-into-interbike-23692#comment-1886521</link>
		<dc:creator>Biking to the airport &#124; Taking the Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or eleven on a multi-use path &#8212; but it&#8217;s a pleasant one overall. I&#8217;ve written elsewhere about my very different experience biking only three miles into town from the Las Vegas [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or eleven on a multi-use path &#8212; but it&#8217;s a pleasant one overall. I&#8217;ve written elsewhere about my very different experience biking only three miles into town from the Las Vegas [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Franz</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/09/23/in-a-foreign-land-wading-into-interbike-23692#comment-1429183</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Franz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been going to Interbike since it was in Anaheim. The Sands is the right sized convention center, but other than that, I have to agree it&#039;s in the wrong town for cycling.

I used to take a travel bike and a trailer and ride from the airport. While Las Vegas is totally a car town, I got by OK. I found the auto drivers to be reasonably respectful, and rather shocked, I think. We got along. I learned to avoid the multilane left turns, and I was fine.

The bellhops at the Venetian were always totally fine with checking my bike and trailer. I even walked things through the hotel, and up and down the elevators one time when I camped out at a friends suite there. I&#039;m sure security saw me riding down the hall (the halls are loooong there, and I was tired) but they didn&#039;t say anything.

That said, I don&#039;t bring the bike anymore. I find Las Vegas a soul draining town, and riding there only added to that. I would love to see Interbike almost anywhere else. There was a movement a few years ago to move it to Denver, but Interbike management was dead set against it.

So Interbike is just this weird few days of my life every year, totally disconnected from real life and real cycling. Not a fun thing, just a have to do thing, like taking out the trash in the rain.

--Pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been going to Interbike since it was in Anaheim. The Sands is the right sized convention center, but other than that, I have to agree it's in the wrong town for cycling.</p>
<p>I used to take a travel bike and a trailer and ride from the airport. While Las Vegas is totally a car town, I got by OK. I found the auto drivers to be reasonably respectful, and rather shocked, I think. We got along. I learned to avoid the multilane left turns, and I was fine.</p>
<p>The bellhops at the Venetian were always totally fine with checking my bike and trailer. I even walked things through the hotel, and up and down the elevators one time when I camped out at a friends suite there. I'm sure security saw me riding down the hall (the halls are loooong there, and I was tired) but they didn't say anything.</p>
<p>That said, I don't bring the bike anymore. I find Las Vegas a soul draining town, and riding there only added to that. I would love to see Interbike almost anywhere else. There was a movement a few years ago to move it to Denver, but Interbike management was dead set against it.</p>
<p>So Interbike is just this weird few days of my life every year, totally disconnected from real life and real cycling. Not a fun thing, just a have to do thing, like taking out the trash in the rain.</p>
<p>--Pat</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer Boomhower</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/09/23/in-a-foreign-land-wading-into-interbike-23692#comment-1427910</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer Boomhower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad #30, 

Absolutely, the industry is coming around to offering transportation cycling options. Though it&#039;s apparently still a strange and new thing for them (which is what I took away from that article). Whereas the bike-as-everyday-vehicle is more old news here in Portland than it is anywhere else in the country. 

When Elly - who is so thoroughly immersed in this aspect of Portland biking - goes to this trade show and finds it striking and noteworthy that it&#039;s being held in a place that is so unfriendly to bikes, I respect that point of view, and I want to read about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad #30, </p>
<p>Absolutely, the industry is coming around to offering transportation cycling options. Though it's apparently still a strange and new thing for them (which is what I took away from that article). Whereas the bike-as-everyday-vehicle is more old news here in Portland than it is anywhere else in the country. </p>
<p>When Elly - who is so thoroughly immersed in this aspect of Portland biking - goes to this trade show and finds it striking and noteworthy that it's being held in a place that is so unfriendly to bikes, I respect that point of view, and I want to read about it.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As i said before, the main reason is beds. But there another big not mentioned above.
Besides access for attendees, there is access for semi trucks bringing in Thousands of massive crates full of trade show booths. If Portland had enough beds for 25,000 people, then they need to fill those beds the rest of the year. If they had trade shows that size all year, we would have hundreds, read that HUNDREDS of semi trucks pulling in and out of the convention center for three days before and three days after every show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As i said before, the main reason is beds. But there another big not mentioned above.<br />
Besides access for attendees, there is access for semi trucks bringing in Thousands of massive crates full of trade show booths. If Portland had enough beds for 25,000 people, then they need to fill those beds the rest of the year. If they had trade shows that size all year, we would have hundreds, read that HUNDREDS of semi trucks pulling in and out of the convention center for three days before and three days after every show.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaphod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zaphod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vegas hurts my head. Sure it&#039;s the only place with capacity, but it&#039;s still torture.

It would be excellent to hear about any promising new designs for cargo &amp; commute. If I want the skinny on carbon fiber (or is it crabon) and tech, there&#039;s velonews for road, BIKE for dirt.

Oh, and Seager (#5), I hear you but a vastly superior option is getting disc brakes. Reliability, power, modulation... all good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vegas hurts my head. Sure it's the only place with capacity, but it's still torture.</p>
<p>It would be excellent to hear about any promising new designs for cargo &amp; commute. If I want the skinny on carbon fiber (or is it crabon) and tech, there's velonews for road, BIKE for dirt.</p>
<p>Oh, and Seager (#5), I hear you but a vastly superior option is getting disc brakes. Reliability, power, modulation... all good.</p>
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		<title>By: John Martin</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/09/23/in-a-foreign-land-wading-into-interbike-23692#comment-1494478</link>
		<dc:creator>John Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;BikePortland.org » Blog Archive » Interbike Day 1: Wading into a ... http://tinyurl.com/y9f77cd&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What industry tone deafness?  

There are more simply designed, fixed geared, rack festooned, upright riding position, motor assisted, and stylish bicycle options produced today than at any other time in history.  Huge U.S. based makers Trek and Specialized are creating products and launching subsidiary brands focused on the coming wave of commute focused cycling.  New startups are producing frames solely for non-competitive and non-sporting riders.  Why?  On a hunch?  Corporations such as these do nothing on a hunch.  They see an emerging consumer base and are eager to sell them bikes.  Doesn&#039;t your linked article back that very premise?

Why cover Interbike if you are not going to cover the products of interest to the 6.4% and those &quot;interested but concerned&quot; that are thinking about riding?  To reaffirm just how golly gosh darned super bikey we are in ol&#039; Stumptown?  

Back to the original topic, Vegas has the halls, hotels, labor, and air transportation connectivity to host such a large event.  Portland&#039;s bike vibe and ride up Burgerville windows do not trump solid logistics for convention planners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What industry tone deafness?  </p>
<p>There are more simply designed, fixed geared, rack festooned, upright riding position, motor assisted, and stylish bicycle options produced today than at any other time in history.  Huge U.S. based makers Trek and Specialized are creating products and launching subsidiary brands focused on the coming wave of commute focused cycling.  New startups are producing frames solely for non-competitive and non-sporting riders.  Why?  On a hunch?  Corporations such as these do nothing on a hunch.  They see an emerging consumer base and are eager to sell them bikes.  Doesn't your linked article back that very premise?</p>
<p>Why cover Interbike if you are not going to cover the products of interest to the 6.4% and those "interested but concerned" that are thinking about riding?  To reaffirm just how golly gosh darned super bikey we are in ol' Stumptown?  </p>
<p>Back to the original topic, Vegas has the halls, hotels, labor, and air transportation connectivity to host such a large event.  Portland's bike vibe and ride up Burgerville windows do not trump solid logistics for convention planners.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer Boomhower</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/09/23/in-a-foreign-land-wading-into-interbike-23692#comment-1427323</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer Boomhower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that the biggest bike industry show is being held in what appears to be a total hellhole for actual bike riding seems worthy of note, and could even be seen as emblematic of the American bike industry&#039;s relative tone-deafness when it comes to transportation cycling. (Which is on my mind after I followed the AustinOnTwoWheels trackback above, which led to this link: http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/09/08/city-bikes-the-new-carbon-in-bike-industry/ )

&lt;blockquote&gt;Somehow, I don&#039;t think most bike industry types are going to be much impressed with The Sprockettes, a Zoo Bomb, vegan burrito carts, or some &quot;Dress Like Something Ridiculous&quot; ride and bike parade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe they should be impressed! Considering those are some of the defining bikey characteristics of a city that just hit the 6.4% mark for bike commute mode share - the highest in the country: http://bikeportland.org/2009/09/23/us-census-portland-has-record-jump-in-bike-commuting/

IMO, viewing this show through a Portland lens makes perfect sense here on Bike&lt;em&gt;Portland&lt;/em&gt;. 

Aren&#039;t there any big-bike-industry-themed web sites that can cover the big-bike-industry angle? I can&#039;t imagine there&#039;s a dearth of information on shiny new products out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the biggest bike industry show is being held in what appears to be a total hellhole for actual bike riding seems worthy of note, and could even be seen as emblematic of the American bike industry's relative tone-deafness when it comes to transportation cycling. (Which is on my mind after I followed the AustinOnTwoWheels trackback above, which led to this link: <a href="http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/09/08/city-bikes-the-new-carbon-in-bike-industry/" rel="nofollow">http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/09/08/city-bikes-the-new-carbon-in-bike-industry/</a> )</p>
<blockquote><p>Somehow, I don't think most bike industry types are going to be much impressed with The Sprockettes, a Zoo Bomb, vegan burrito carts, or some "Dress Like Something Ridiculous" ride and bike parade.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe they should be impressed! Considering those are some of the defining bikey characteristics of a city that just hit the 6.4% mark for bike commute mode share - the highest in the country: <a href="http://bikeportland.org/2009/09/23/us-census-portland-has-record-jump-in-bike-commuting/" rel="nofollow">http://bikeportland.org/2009/09/23/us-census-portland-has-record-jump-in-bike-commuting/</a></p>
<p>IMO, viewing this show through a Portland lens makes perfect sense here on Bike<em>Portland</em>. </p>
<p>Aren't there any big-bike-industry-themed web sites that can cover the big-bike-industry angle? I can't imagine there's a dearth of information on shiny new products out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Opus the Poet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opus the Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what was your problem with the Day6 recumbent with the Cyclone 500W mid drive? The Day6 is a popular bike without the assist, and the assist just makes the bike&#039;s one major fault (it climbs like a slug) less noticeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what was your problem with the Day6 recumbent with the Cyclone 500W mid drive? The Day6 is a popular bike without the assist, and the assist just makes the bike's one major fault (it climbs like a slug) less noticeable.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since that was overly snarky..

I will second someone else&#039;s advice. Go check out Red Rock Canyon- http://www.redrockcanyonlv.org The place is fantastic and just outside of town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since that was overly snarky..</p>
<p>I will second someone else's advice. Go check out Red Rock Canyon- <a href="http://www.redrockcanyonlv.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.redrockcanyonlv.org</a> The place is fantastic and just outside of town.</p>
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