Comments on: Idaho-style stop law fizzles out in Arizona: A bad sign for Oregon? http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725 Portland Oregon bicycle news, events, culture, travel and opinion. Mon, 28 May 2012 20:36:41 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: azbikelaw http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1154465 azbikelaw Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:54:11 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1154465 "I'm sure his colleagues know he rides-- he didn't need to be that blatant. And if they didn't know, there are better ways to get that across than dressing up in costume!" It was actually worse than that -- his first statement was combative: (i'm paraphrasing from memory) "unlike every one of you who drives a smelly, polluting, dangerous car...". Now, this may have been just some good-natured jabbing, like the earlier poster said I'm sure they all know each other very well, but to the outside observer it sounded unnecessarily hostile, especially to start with. "I'm sure his colleagues know he rides-- he didn't need to be that blatant. And if they didn't know, there are better ways to get that across than dressing up in costume!"

It was actually worse than that -- his first statement was combative: (i'm paraphrasing from memory) "unlike every one of you who drives a smelly, polluting, dangerous car...". Now, this may have been just some good-natured jabbing, like the earlier poster said I'm sure they all know each other very well, but to the outside observer it sounded unnecessarily hostile, especially to start with.

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]]> By: Arizona Bike Law Blog » Blog Archive » Bicycle Legislation Introduced http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1154442 Arizona Bike Law Blog » Blog Archive » Bicycle Legislation Introduced Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:32:41 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1154442 [...] Hearing on Oregon’s stop-as-yield bill soon. [...] [...] Hearing on Oregon’s stop-as-yield bill soon. [...]

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]]> By: Jason Meggs http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1151445 Jason Meggs Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:15:50 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1151445 The reasons cited indicate that the legislators were not informed. I'm sorry that better information was not available to the Arizona effort and hope that they will bring the bill back for a second hearing, likely after the passage of the bill in Oregon. The reasons cited indicate that the legislators were not informed. I'm sorry that better information was not available to the Arizona effort and hope that they will bring the bill back for a second hearing, likely after the passage of the bill in Oregon.

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]]> By: Stop Signs and Cycling Culture (A Rant) | Carbon Trace http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1149853 Stop Signs and Cycling Culture (A Rant) | Carbon Trace Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:12:15 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1149853 [...] proposed law recently failed in committee in Arizona. Jonathan Maus, at Bikeportland.org, offers a detailed look at the how and why this [...] [...] proposed law recently failed in committee in Arizona. Jonathan Maus, at Bikeportland.org, offers a detailed look at the how and why this [...]

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]]> By: AZ Rep. Daniel Patterson (D-Tucson) http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1149339 AZ Rep. Daniel Patterson (D-Tucson) Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:43:27 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1149339 Good luck getting this common sense bill passed in OR. We will bring it back next year in AZ, and will eventually get it passed. Good luck getting this common sense bill passed in OR.

We will bring it back next year in AZ, and will eventually get it passed.

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]]> By: Opus the Poet http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1148973 Opus the Poet Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:27:24 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1148973 You know we could get this passed easily if we get on judges to ask why motorists aren't required to open a door and stick out a foot when stopped. The rules are supposed to be the same for cyclists and drivers... You know we could get this passed easily if we get on judges to ask why motorists aren't required to open a door and stick out a foot when stopped. The rules are supposed to be the same for cyclists and drivers...

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]]> By: Mike http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1148949 Mike Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:57:59 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1148949 RE: Phr3dly To use hyperbole: We could also ask make a law that says pedestrians have to spin in a circle once before they cross intersections. It wouldn't be a big deal; it's easy enough to physically accomplish. Yet there's no practical reason to do it so why should it be a law? For cyclists, it's more practical to yield at stop signs than stop at signs, so the laws should reflect that reality. RE: Phr3dly

To use hyperbole: We could also ask make a law that says pedestrians have to spin in a circle once before they cross intersections.

It wouldn't be a big deal; it's easy enough to physically accomplish. Yet there's no practical reason to do it so why should it be a law?

For cyclists, it's more practical to yield at stop signs than stop at signs, so the laws should reflect that reality.

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]]> By: Herald Aines http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1148888 Herald Aines Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:07:41 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1148888 Jaysus, talk about a critical mess. Yes, let's definitely give the two-wheeled fascists in Origahn another excuse to act like a bunch of spoiled children and flip off those awful motorists, who should employ a flagman if they think bikees should obey the law. (What?!?!?!?) You KNOW that cyclists' liberal interpretation of this law will lead to more accidents and definitely more confrontations with those horrible motorists, who are all bad people. Here's a better idea: Since we all know that cars are evil and their drivers must be even more evil, let's make sure that the long-suffering and well-mannered non-motorists don't have to interact with the pernicious 4-wheelers in any way--let's enact a law that requires cyclists to shop and eat ONLY at businesses that are not serviced in any way by those awful internal combustion devices. And let's extend that to employment. No cyclist may earn money from any form of employment that is in any way connected to cars, trucks, buses...or lawnmowers. Did you know that coffee is delivered to our fair state by...you guessed it. Oops, wait a minute. I'll bet that almost all bicycles ridden in PDX were delivered here by......NOOOOOOOOOO!!! Say it isn't so... brain-spandex for all!!! Jaysus, talk about a critical mess. Yes, let's definitely give the two-wheeled fascists in Origahn another excuse to act like a bunch of spoiled children and flip off those awful motorists, who should employ a flagman if they think bikees should obey the law. (What?!?!?!?) You KNOW that cyclists' liberal interpretation of this law will lead to more accidents and definitely more confrontations with those horrible motorists, who are all bad people.

Here's a better idea: Since we all know that cars are evil and their drivers must be even more evil, let's make sure that the long-suffering and well-mannered non-motorists don't have to interact with the pernicious 4-wheelers in any way--let's enact a law that requires cyclists to shop and eat ONLY at businesses that are not serviced in any way by those awful internal combustion devices. And let's extend that to employment. No cyclist may earn money from any form of employment that is in any way connected to cars, trucks, buses...or lawnmowers. Did you know that coffee is delivered to our fair state by...you guessed it.

Oops, wait a minute. I'll bet that almost all bicycles ridden in PDX were delivered here by......NOOOOOOOOOO!!! Say it isn't so... brain-spandex for all!!!

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]]> By: El Biciclero http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1148854 El Biciclero Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:26:46 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1148854 In my experience, what this law would do is allow cyclists to make a "motorist-style" stop. Apparently, stopping is onerous for everyone. In my experience, what this law would do is allow cyclists to make a "motorist-style" stop. Apparently, stopping is onerous for everyone.

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]]> By: hanmade http://bikeportland.org/2009/03/05/idaho-style-stop-law-fizzles-out-in-arizona-a-bad-sign-for-oregon-15725#comment-1148847 hanmade Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:18:25 +0000 http://bikeportland.org/?p=15725#comment-1148847 Getting the law passed in Oregon isn't just about convincing the legislators, if the public is not sold on it, we will get a media deluge that will swamp all of the efforts on this. I hope the foundation is being laid to educate the public to prepare them for this bill. Getting the law passed in Oregon isn't just about convincing the legislators, if the public is not sold on it, we will get a media deluge that will swamp all of the efforts on this. I hope the foundation is being laid to educate the public to prepare them for this bill.

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