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	<title>Comments on: Mayor&#039;s office releases new storm response survey after they &quot;failed to consider bicycle transportation&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1133306</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have any objections to how the city operated during the snow. In fact I think they did a pretty good job of making sure that a lot of buses could still run. Had I really wanted to get to work, I&#039;m sure that I could have done so. However, the huge quantities of gravel left in the bike lanes is shameful. Even on highly used routes (SW Broadway by PSU), bike lanes are often still covered in gravel. Hopefully the deluge today will help to shift some of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't have any objections to how the city operated during the snow. In fact I think they did a pretty good job of making sure that a lot of buses could still run. Had I really wanted to get to work, I'm sure that I could have done so. However, the huge quantities of gravel left in the bike lanes is shameful. Even on highly used routes (SW Broadway by PSU), bike lanes are often still covered in gravel. Hopefully the deluge today will help to shift some of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1131382</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a big event for Portland, but when other cities have big events (on the east coast, there can be 3ft blizzards occasionally) they put the crews to work, and they don&#039;t normally stop until the work was done. 

We might not want to buy too many plows, but we need to consider budgeting an emergency overtime amount, so people keep working until the ground is clear. 

(And there is still gravel between Barbur and sw 4th,)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a big event for Portland, but when other cities have big events (on the east coast, there can be 3ft blizzards occasionally) they put the crews to work, and they don't normally stop until the work was done. </p>
<p>We might not want to buy too many plows, but we need to consider budgeting an emergency overtime amount, so people keep working until the ground is clear. </p>
<p>(And there is still gravel between Barbur and sw 4th,)</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1130974</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is a complacency here in Portland about accumulating snow, an assumption that it will just go away no matter the temperature. we need to get over that. maybe a City PR campaign about what to do when we do have snow?

things we can all do to help:
* shovel your walks &amp; driveway first thing in the morning (and maybe those of any eldery neighbors who can&#039;t themselves?)
*clear your windows &amp; roof before driving (for frost too)
*use chains when appropriate..don&#039;t endanger everyone else by driving without appropriate gear

as for the City...we may not have monster snow-throwing plows, but don&#039;t pretend we have no plows...i&#039;ve seen blades in the up position on the sand/gravel trucks. maybe put them in the down position so that accumulations don&#039;t get significant during the weather events?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a complacency here in Portland about accumulating snow, an assumption that it will just go away no matter the temperature. we need to get over that. maybe a City PR campaign about what to do when we do have snow?</p>
<p>things we can all do to help:<br />
* shovel your walks &amp; driveway first thing in the morning (and maybe those of any eldery neighbors who can't themselves?)<br />
*clear your windows &amp; roof before driving (for frost too)<br />
*use chains when appropriate..don't endanger everyone else by driving without appropriate gear</p>
<p>as for the City...we may not have monster snow-throwing plows, but don't pretend we have no plows...i've seen blades in the up position on the sand/gravel trucks. maybe put them in the down position so that accumulations don't get significant during the weather events?</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Alford</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1127770</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Alford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The slowness with which the city has cleared up the gravel is enough for Portland to lose their Platinum rating from the League of American Bicyclists.  Suggestion: write Andy Clarke at the league and let him know your opinion on that.  andy@bikeleague.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The slowness with which the city has cleared up the gravel is enough for Portland to lose their Platinum rating from the League of American Bicyclists.  Suggestion: write Andy Clarke at the league and let him know your opinion on that.  <a href="mailto:andy@bikeleague.org">andy@bikeleague.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1127214</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KimJCSP

I was quoting the cost of the plow only not the vehicle.  There are plenty of vehicles in the system that could be fitted with plows.

Any where I have lived the vehicles do double duty as dump trucks for public works and as snow plows when required. 

I also distinguished between the average precipitation in December being for the most part rain and that we received triple the average in the form of snow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KimJCSP</p>
<p>I was quoting the cost of the plow only not the vehicle.  There are plenty of vehicles in the system that could be fitted with plows.</p>
<p>Any where I have lived the vehicles do double duty as dump trucks for public works and as snow plows when required. </p>
<p>I also distinguished between the average precipitation in December being for the most part rain and that we received triple the average in the form of snow.</p>
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		<title>By: joe adamski</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1126963</link>
		<dc:creator>joe adamski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SJ is an ODOT bridge,part of the US 30 Bypass. ODOT owns it but doesnt care about bike/ped users. They told me the sidewalks are PBOTs,the bridge and roadway is theirs. 

I know its a &#039;40 year event&#039;.I also know that there is no commitment to safety of peds and bikes that were effectively forced onto the sidewalks of the SJ bridge by ODOTs refusal to even consider bike lanes when the bridge was rebuilt several years ago. The freight community was the only voice heeded, IMHO. 

So if you force me onto the sidewalk on my bike, dont force me to ride on little ball bearings. This is a safety issue above all else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ is an ODOT bridge,part of the US 30 Bypass. ODOT owns it but doesnt care about bike/ped users. They told me the sidewalks are PBOTs,the bridge and roadway is theirs. </p>
<p>I know its a '40 year event'.I also know that there is no commitment to safety of peds and bikes that were effectively forced onto the sidewalks of the SJ bridge by ODOTs refusal to even consider bike lanes when the bridge was rebuilt several years ago. The freight community was the only voice heeded, IMHO. </p>
<p>So if you force me onto the sidewalk on my bike, dont force me to ride on little ball bearings. This is a safety issue above all else.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1126881</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rode every day of snowpocalypse and through the melt. 

It was patently obvious to see that the city made absolutely no effort in clearing bike boulevards or the striped bike lanes on major connecting streets.

I&#039;m glad they went back to review this and are able to acknowledge this publicly.

I hope they&#039;ll be able to make some basic improvements in their storm clean-up priorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rode every day of snowpocalypse and through the melt. </p>
<p>It was patently obvious to see that the city made absolutely no effort in clearing bike boulevards or the striped bike lanes on major connecting streets.</p>
<p>I'm glad they went back to review this and are able to acknowledge this publicly.</p>
<p>I hope they'll be able to make some basic improvements in their storm clean-up priorities.</p>
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		<title>By: KimJSCP</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1126758</link>
		<dc:creator>KimJSCP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - Right on anonymous (#4)- except I believe I read that snow plows are somewhere in the $150 to $200K range.  Also - inches of precip. does not equal inches of snow.

I as a taxpayer would rather miss a day and a half of work (I ended up making it up) then paying that much to be prepared for something that may only happen twice in my lifetime.  But, knowing that we do get some snow and ice here, I was prepared with 4 wheel drive and chains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes - Right on anonymous (#4)- except I believe I read that snow plows are somewhere in the $150 to $200K range.  Also - inches of precip. does not equal inches of snow.</p>
<p>I as a taxpayer would rather miss a day and a half of work (I ended up making it up) then paying that much to be prepared for something that may only happen twice in my lifetime.  But, knowing that we do get some snow and ice here, I was prepared with 4 wheel drive and chains.</p>
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		<title>By: kww</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1126154</link>
		<dc:creator>kww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please clean up the gravel!  Only a few bike lanes have been cleaned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please clean up the gravel!  Only a few bike lanes have been cleaned!</p>
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		<title>By: Blah Blah Blah</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2009/02/20/mayors-office-releases-new-storm-response-survey-after-they-failed-to-consider-bicycle-transportation-15089#comment-1126076</link>
		<dc:creator>Blah Blah Blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought of the gravel, leaves, ice, snow and rain part of commuting in the winter. Pretty soon it&#039;ll turn to spring and the weather will be nice and you guys will need to find something else to complain about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've always thought of the gravel, leaves, ice, snow and rain part of commuting in the winter. Pretty soon it'll turn to spring and the weather will be nice and you guys will need to find something else to complain about.</p>
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