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	<title>Comments on: Kulongoski proposes gas tax increase, outlines &#039;09 transportation bill</title>
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		<title>By: Audrey</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2008/11/10/kulongoski-proposes-gas-tax-increase-outlines-09-transportation-bill-10517#comment-1256336</link>
		<dc:creator>Audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 02:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made my comments to this website; but I will paraphrase.

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I am great with biking and I know as a car driver, I need to help pay for the roads I travel on ... &lt;strong&gt;SO SHOULD YOU, BICYCLISTS!&lt;/strong&gt;  Bikers need to register your bikes with the DMV to maintain the roads where you ride and for all the new paint on the roadways to accomodate the bikers safety.  
I know that this is is not the popular biker viewpoint, but just take some time to think about it.  &lt;i&gt;If everyone stopped driving and started biking, who would maintain the roads and bridges?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made my comments to this website; but I will paraphrase.</p>
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<p>I am great with biking and I know as a car driver, I need to help pay for the roads I travel on ... <strong>SO SHOULD YOU, BICYCLISTS!</strong>  Bikers need to register your bikes with the DMV to maintain the roads where you ride and for all the new paint on the roadways to accomodate the bikers safety.<br />
I know that this is is not the popular biker viewpoint, but just take some time to think about it.  <i>If everyone stopped driving and started biking, who would maintain the roads and bridges?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Carol Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2008/11/10/kulongoski-proposes-gas-tax-increase-outlines-09-transportation-bill-10517#comment-1255706</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess my point is more a concern for the workers there that will be affected by all these taxes and regulations that are being instituted. Agreeing with Walt C in his statement (43) that many Oregonians live in rural areas. My son does and has to drive 20 miles to and from work. That gas tax alone isn&#039;t bad, but compound that with everything else. Title and Registration fees, and a bicycle tax. (By the way, that would not intice me toget green and get one)! Unlike CA, Oregon doesn&#039;t have a state tax, but the way it looks, it won&#039;t be a long time coming. CA does, and it still isn&#039;t enough to pay for all the crap they keep coming up with to spend money on! This year, it will cost my husband and I around $2,100 to register vehicals (2 motorcycles, 1 car, 1 truck). That compounded by an increase in gas taxes, sales tax, property tax....get the picture. You give the polititions and inch. Oh, I didn&#039;t pay taxes in when Regan was in office. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess my point is more a concern for the workers there that will be affected by all these taxes and regulations that are being instituted. Agreeing with Walt C in his statement (43) that many Oregonians live in rural areas. My son does and has to drive 20 miles to and from work. That gas tax alone isn't bad, but compound that with everything else. Title and Registration fees, and a bicycle tax. (By the way, that would not intice me toget green and get one)! Unlike CA, Oregon doesn't have a state tax, but the way it looks, it won't be a long time coming. CA does, and it still isn't enough to pay for all the crap they keep coming up with to spend money on! This year, it will cost my husband and I around $2,100 to register vehicals (2 motorcycles, 1 car, 1 truck). That compounded by an increase in gas taxes, sales tax, property tax....get the picture. You give the polititions and inch. Oh, I didn't pay taxes in when Regan was in office. lol</p>
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		<title>By: oliver</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2008/11/10/kulongoski-proposes-gas-tax-increase-outlines-09-transportation-bill-10517#comment-1255644</link>
		<dc:creator>oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol...and taxes will still be lower than they were when Reagan was in office, and working people will still pay a far greater portion of their shrinking wages than those in the higher tax brackets.

So nothing will have changed, what again is your complaint?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol...and taxes will still be lower than they were when Reagan was in office, and working people will still pay a far greater portion of their shrinking wages than those in the higher tax brackets.</p>
<p>So nothing will have changed, what again is your complaint?</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2008/11/10/kulongoski-proposes-gas-tax-increase-outlines-09-transportation-bill-10517#comment-1254213</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys crack me up! Your governor sounds almost as foolish as Arnold. He&#039;s trying to terminate CA. and Kulongoski is out to ruin OR. You may say what intrest do you have in our state? Well, my husband and I have owned property there (and we pay our taxes) for 20 years. Think! If you raise the car registration so much, you will then have what CA. is going to have soon. A bunch of uninsured motorists, because not only did you raise that tax, but also the gas tax, (and what is more important than driving..certinatly not insurance!) and then let&#039;s compound that by taxing all the big business in the area so they close and leave the state. Then poor, unemployed, uninsured Oregonians, will be left unalbe to pay the high price of over taxed gas so they decide to buy a bike and guess what???? More Taxes. Where do these politicans come from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys crack me up! Your governor sounds almost as foolish as Arnold. He's trying to terminate CA. and Kulongoski is out to ruin OR. You may say what intrest do you have in our state? Well, my husband and I have owned property there (and we pay our taxes) for 20 years. Think! If you raise the car registration so much, you will then have what CA. is going to have soon. A bunch of uninsured motorists, because not only did you raise that tax, but also the gas tax, (and what is more important than driving..certinatly not insurance!) and then let's compound that by taxing all the big business in the area so they close and leave the state. Then poor, unemployed, uninsured Oregonians, will be left unalbe to pay the high price of over taxed gas so they decide to buy a bike and guess what???? More Taxes. Where do these politicans come from?</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Crippen</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2008/11/10/kulongoski-proposes-gas-tax-increase-outlines-09-transportation-bill-10517#comment-1155616</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt Crippen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding me? The majority of Oregonians live in rural areas &amp; are dependent on gas powered vehicles just to get to work, school, etc, &amp; we already pay 10 cents above the national average for gas now (I know because I travel cross country for my work). So to impose more tax on fuel seems to me to be an attemp to further cripple the residents of our state. And to increase license &amp; titling fees is equally ridiculous. In an economy that was in recession years before the rest of the country, the last thing we need in Oregon is a way to make day-to-day life here harder &amp; more expensive. The Bike Tax? Whats next? Tha walking tax? Those that are fortunate enough to live in municipalities or communities that make non-motorized transport viable should pay because they are being economical or enviromentally concious? Thats the message I&#039;m getting. The Capitol should be working on ways to get jobs &amp; industry here instead of taxing to death the people that live here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding me? The majority of Oregonians live in rural areas &amp; are dependent on gas powered vehicles just to get to work, school, etc, &amp; we already pay 10 cents above the national average for gas now (I know because I travel cross country for my work). So to impose more tax on fuel seems to me to be an attemp to further cripple the residents of our state. And to increase license &amp; titling fees is equally ridiculous. In an economy that was in recession years before the rest of the country, the last thing we need in Oregon is a way to make day-to-day life here harder &amp; more expensive. The Bike Tax? Whats next? Tha walking tax? Those that are fortunate enough to live in municipalities or communities that make non-motorized transport viable should pay because they are being economical or enviromentally concious? Thats the message I'm getting. The Capitol should be working on ways to get jobs &amp; industry here instead of taxing to death the people that live here</p>
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		<title>By: 007</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2008/11/10/kulongoski-proposes-gas-tax-increase-outlines-09-transportation-bill-10517#comment-1022257</link>
		<dc:creator>007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And $15M for the Columbia River Crossing. Thanks Governor, for spending my tax dollars on increased air and noise pollution. Progressive Oregon indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And $15M for the Columbia River Crossing. Thanks Governor, for spending my tax dollars on increased air and noise pollution. Progressive Oregon indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2008/11/10/kulongoski-proposes-gas-tax-increase-outlines-09-transportation-bill-10517#comment-1022249</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This package is a bit disappointing..  Washington raised their gas tax a nickle and then 10 more cents, gradually implemented over several years.  For being the first state to implement a gas tax at all, it&#039;s pathetic that our state refuses to keep taxes up with the costs of roads and other transportation infrastructure.  We need a much more aggressive gas first of all.  Paved roads are good for all road users - drivers, bicyclists, and deliveries for businesses.

I&#039;m also concerned about the bike excise fee.. I don&#039;t think we&#039;re at the point where we should make it more difficult for people to afford bicycles.  One has to also question the cost effectiveness of this.  How much does the collection of this fee cost?  Seems like it would have to be relatively high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This package is a bit disappointing..  Washington raised their gas tax a nickle and then 10 more cents, gradually implemented over several years.  For being the first state to implement a gas tax at all, it's pathetic that our state refuses to keep taxes up with the costs of roads and other transportation infrastructure.  We need a much more aggressive gas first of all.  Paved roads are good for all road users - drivers, bicyclists, and deliveries for businesses.</p>
<p>I'm also concerned about the bike excise fee.. I don't think we're at the point where we should make it more difficult for people to afford bicycles.  One has to also question the cost effectiveness of this.  How much does the collection of this fee cost?  Seems like it would have to be relatively high.</p>
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		<title>By: red hippie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of points.

1.  Oregon residents don&#039;t pay sales in washington, except on services.

2.  Road development is is a hugh money drain.  Think about how much money goes just for planning and EIS&#039;s.  For example, how much haas been spent on the Sellwood bridge so far without any tangible work.

3.  On state contracts, the contractor&#039;s are  required to pay union scale for wages.  This is the only way that Union shops can compete with other companies.  So in short, this package is also a big pay off for the states unions. Political payback for the Millions spent in oregon in the last 6 months.  

4.  By discouraging cycling, you necessitate the road package.  If people ride their bikes, this takes cars and their wear and tax revenue off the streets, thus the excise tax.  Same logic with implementing the on-board gps and taxing by the mile rather than the gallon.

So final analysis, Ted is not interested in promoting alternative transport, rather just putting more money into the same old system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points.</p>
<p>1.  Oregon residents don't pay sales in washington, except on services.</p>
<p>2.  Road development is is a hugh money drain.  Think about how much money goes just for planning and EIS's.  For example, how much haas been spent on the Sellwood bridge so far without any tangible work.</p>
<p>3.  On state contracts, the contractor's are  required to pay union scale for wages.  This is the only way that Union shops can compete with other companies.  So in short, this package is also a big pay off for the states unions. Political payback for the Millions spent in oregon in the last 6 months.  </p>
<p>4.  By discouraging cycling, you necessitate the road package.  If people ride their bikes, this takes cars and their wear and tax revenue off the streets, thus the excise tax.  Same logic with implementing the on-board gps and taxing by the mile rather than the gallon.</p>
<p>So final analysis, Ted is not interested in promoting alternative transport, rather just putting more money into the same old system.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasun Wurster</title>
		<link>http://bikeportland.org/2008/11/10/kulongoski-proposes-gas-tax-increase-outlines-09-transportation-bill-10517#comment-1022224</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasun Wurster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how the new I-5 bridge is gonna get built and how we are gonna pay for it.

When I say we I mean the ones that pay gas tax in the extra cost of goods that are shipped in and we buy every day.  I don&#039;t mind paying a bicycle tax, except that I am getting doubly taxed.  First the increase of the price to ship the components here then a extra tax on top of the increased price because it is a bicycle.  For what? A bridge that I and most Oregon residents will not even cross.  Also, that bike tax money could just as easily go to bike improvements on or around the new I-5 bridge.

As for the gas tax.  This is a regressive tax that will target people who can not afford a new $30,000 hybrid car.  Most of the automobiles that people can afford to buy are those massive SUV&#039;s that were all the vogue a few years ago.  An increase in gas tax directly affects all of us, just because we do not buy gas directly from a gas station.

Then there is that creating jobs argument.  Yea, it will create short term construction jobs in the Portland\Vancouver metro area.  Cool, the rest of the state is not only paying for this bridge but it is also not getting the benefit of the jobs.  I say that the money should be used to fund 300 $2 million projects (may they be affordable housing/education/alternate transportation/economic development) around the state so that everyone&#039;s local economies are helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how the new I-5 bridge is gonna get built and how we are gonna pay for it.</p>
<p>When I say we I mean the ones that pay gas tax in the extra cost of goods that are shipped in and we buy every day.  I don't mind paying a bicycle tax, except that I am getting doubly taxed.  First the increase of the price to ship the components here then a extra tax on top of the increased price because it is a bicycle.  For what? A bridge that I and most Oregon residents will not even cross.  Also, that bike tax money could just as easily go to bike improvements on or around the new I-5 bridge.</p>
<p>As for the gas tax.  This is a regressive tax that will target people who can not afford a new $30,000 hybrid car.  Most of the automobiles that people can afford to buy are those massive SUV's that were all the vogue a few years ago.  An increase in gas tax directly affects all of us, just because we do not buy gas directly from a gas station.</p>
<p>Then there is that creating jobs argument.  Yea, it will create short term construction jobs in the Portland\Vancouver metro area.  Cool, the rest of the state is not only paying for this bridge but it is also not getting the benefit of the jobs.  I say that the money should be used to fund 300 $2 million projects (may they be affordable housing/education/alternate transportation/economic development) around the state so that everyone's local economies are helped.</p>
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		<title>By: BURR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BURR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so basically the whole idea of a bicycle excise tax is about throwing a bone to the motorists who constantly complain that cyclists don&#039;t pay their fair share - even though they are wrong.  As if it will actually make them shut up and go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so basically the whole idea of a bicycle excise tax is about throwing a bone to the motorists who constantly complain that cyclists don't pay their fair share - even though they are wrong.  As if it will actually make them shut up and go away.</p>
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