The bike box lifestyle
Posted by Jonathan Maus (Publisher/Editor) on October 17th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
un-friendly lifestyle?
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In a stack of old notes on my desk, I came across a passage from an Oregonian article published a few months ago that I've been wanting to share.
The story, Our diversity myth: Portlanders live in a like-minded bubble, making it easier to get things done but harder for dissenting voices to be heard, is about how Americans are increasingly choosing to live in communities that reflect their existing lifestyles and values.
The result, wrote the Oregonian, is that it creates "islands of conservatism and liberalism that deepen the divides between the groups and the politicians they elect."
In trying to illustrate the phenomenon as it exists here in Portland, the author of the story, Erin Hoover Barnett, brought up Portland's bike boxes. She wrote:
"Portland's like-mindedness means its leaders can often move forward quickly. After a rash of fatal bike accidents in the last year, it seemed that those huge green bike boxes appeared at intersections almost overnight..."
Barnett then introduced Tim Nashif, "a conservative" who lives in outer east Portland (a part of town notoriously lacking in bike infrastructure). Barnett wrote that, for Nashif,
"residents' and leaders' zeal for such issues as alternative transportation can make some -- such as large families who can't easily or safely travel by bike -- feel out of step."
Nashif told Barnett:
"It's almost like they don't take into consideration that there are other lifestyles that want to live in Portland besides theirs... Is Portland a place that recognizes what families need?"
I was struck by two things after reading this. First, it's interesting how Barnett refers to "alternative transportation" as an "issue". In my thinking, transportation (alternative or not) is a lot different than what people usually think of as classic issues. Like for instance, gun rights, homelessness, or abortion.
Transportation is a thing that nearly everyone participates in on a daily basis. It's not a choice you make or something you're "for" or "against". It just is.
The other thing I found interesting was Nashif's comment on how the bike boxes represent some sort of "lifestyle" that belongs to a distinct part of Portland's population. Somehow, he draws the conclusion that the City of Portland doesn't realize what families need because the city is spending all their time installing bike boxes. Am I reading that right?
I just wanted to share this with you as an example of how bike policy and infrastructure is sometimes perceived outside the bike-bubble. To move further into the mainstream (assuming people like Nashif represent the mainstream), the bike movement needs to take these perceptions into consideration.
This ties into my concern that the term "bicycle boulevard" might make it tougher for them to gain broad community support in places that need them most -- like outer east Portland, where biking is still a four-letter word.
What do you think?
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I believe the writer is missing the point of bicycle infrastructure.
Bike boxes are for drivers and cyclists alike. As a driver, the last thing that I want, is to hit a cyclist. The new infrastructure inconveniences me little, and is rather pleasing to the eye.
the other thing that motorists need to remember, at all times: How many cars would be in your way, if no one bicycled. How much would fuel prices go up, if everyone drove.
As a society, all alternatives need to be viewed, and weighed in a dynamic fashion. The immediate benefits are for cyclists, but the total benefits are for society as an entire organism.
If our little project, called "Civilization" is to survive, grow, and prosper, Transportation WILL have to be addressed. The era of the automobile is coming to a close, and those that embrace that fact will reap the rewards of being adaptable.
The Transportation system needs to embrace better urban planning, especially multi-modal systems, such as light rail, commuter rail, bicycles and pedestrians. The results show for themselves. a community that has reduced automobile use, has an overall improvement in the quality of life.
RecommendedAsk a neighborhood if they want traffic calming devices installed on their streets, they say yes. Ask a neighborhood if they want traffic diverting devices/engineering on their streets, they say yes. Ask a neighborhood if they want low speed limits on their streets, they say yes. If you ask the same neighborhood if they want their street to become a "bike boulevard" and you might gets different response.
RecommendedJonathan, I think your "bike boulevard" example hits the target. All a bike boulevard really is is some traffic calming, some diversion, and some stop-sign reorientation. This is the sort of thing that residents cry out for on their streets ALL THE TIME, especially if lots of families are present. Bike boulevards should be the sort of thing that are CLAMORED for. And I'm not sure that they really are, because they're perceived to be for the benefit of this small constituency of cyclists. Am I wrong? I think we might be missing out on a golden opportunity to point out how cycling and (ostensibly) cycling infrastructure benefits even non-cyclists.
RecommendedJonathan:
I think you are right about the fact that while many cyclists consider themselves as progressive "think-outside-the-box" types, we need to step outside the box--or in this case, bubble--to connect with people who already have projected how bad whatever it is we bubbleheads want to do actually is.
In other words, we need to meet people where THEY are and make them want to see the other side. We won't get their support by standing and shouting from inside the bubble.
Uma
RecommendedJonathan,
Recommendedyour comments are right on. I could make a few sarcastic remarks on other "lifestyles" and the color of THEIR boxes, or whatever that conservative citizen is referring to, but I won't. Public safety and ease of movement are a need, or a cause, but never an "issue".
Of course, what about those of us who have families, who drive, and bike, and walk? I fail to see how some people divide it up so much, so much of an us vs. them.
How on earth is making streets safer for bicycles or pedestrians a bad thing? Ever? I mean - do people actually want someone to get hurt? How does this conflict with what "families need" in any way? And are not bicyclists members of someone's family?
As a driver, I have never been inconvenienced by a piece of bicycle infrastructure. And I think that when I bicycle and use bike boxes with my wife, daughter, nephew, and friends - that we are indeed utilizing something that "families need".
As a citizen activist in the Transportation arena, I work hard to make sure that all voices are heard and that there is good balance. The committees that I serve on have never once had to make a choice between "families" or "bicycles". It just doesn't work that way. No one ever sits down to make a plan, and with a maniacal laugh starts cutting people out of the picture. In reality we work each and every plan trying to figure out how to best serve everyone within the constraints we have. And I mean EVERYONE. In fact probably to a fault, it takes so long to make even a watered down plan that offends the fewest people possible. It makes it hard to be quick, or to have vision. But no one can complain they don't get consideration.
RecommendedI've been saying this for years. You aren't open-minded if you are militant about your "open-mindedness" and won't listen to or give credit to people with differing and un-popular viewpoints. And it is that very militance of the popular opinion that forces the un-popular opinions to become defensive, angry, covert and in reality, gain momentum. They feel justified when they feel persecuted.
RecommendedHe does make an excellent point that for many families, using a bike as a primary mode of transport is very much a pipe dream.
Jonathan posts a picture of a happy family on their new $2,500 Bakfiets -- a beautiful sight, but one that's sadly far from a financial possibility for a family living paycheck-to-paycheck in Gresham or Hillsboro.
If you can't afford to live close-in, your job is 20 miles from your house, and you have to pick up/drop off the kids before and after work, the sad reality is that a bike-centric lifestyle isn't feasible.
It's time for someone to build a family bike for the masses: one that's easy to maintain, built like a tank, hauls like a truck, and costs less than $500. Oh, and can it please fold up to fit on the MAX?
RecommendedFor the sake of a fuller argument, let's take a look at it from another *possible* point of view.
While inner eastside Portland has, over the last 30 years, transformed from an assortment of down-at-heel neighborhoods with dilapidated hippie houses and tired lawns into an uber-chic urban enclave of the so-called "creative" class, neighborhoods east of 122nd Avenue have not really followed suit. Instead, they have become de facto dumping grounds for the poorer folks who used to live in inner eastside and who were forced out by higher rents and transformation of rentals into for-sale houses.
Choosing to ride a bike everywhere is easier when your home and your job are less than five or six miles apart. If you are one of the happy people who managed to find an affordable house in inner eastside Portland before the economy went south, well and good.
If not, and you live in East County, you will find that distances between home and most living-wage jobs are far greater. I know too many people who live in Gresham or Parkrose and must drive to Tigard or Beaverton to keep a job that pays enough for them to support their families.
Whether misconception or reality -- it's up to the beholder -- there is a strong sense of class division between the folks who live in inner Portland and Everyone Else who doesn't. The trend now is toward urban density, and like any fashionable trend it's more expensive than the less-trendy alternatives.
Guess where the cheaper housing is these days? Gresham, Milwaukie and beyond. If your job isn't in the same part of town where you live -- and that is the case for MOST people in these places -- then you will almost certainly HAVE to drive or take transit to get to and from work.
It may be that those of us who benefitted from being in the right place at the right time (and scored the then-affordable house in inner eastside Portland) don't want to consider that we, too, are participants in this gentrification and the growing chasm of class difference that is affecting neighborhood relations more as the Portland metro area grows.
It may also be that this fellow wants to see more of what he interprets as a little equity -- more transportation infrastructure developments for his part of the world, and perhaps more living-wage jobs closer to where he lives so he doesn't have to spend an hour traveling each way between home and work. If that's the case, I can't say I blame him.
RecommendedAs an outsider, insider, all sider, I'd like to offer my own perspective. I'm a life long cyclist, a cycling transportation true believer, a bike commuter and a socially conservative Christian Catholic who lives in the 'Couv. I may have the only bike to be seen on the streets of PDX with a McCain Palin sticker on the fender.
I agree the writer quoted above is not reacting reasonably to the actual issues. The best benefit of the doubt I can give to his statement is that 'he'd rather have the city working to solve issues that impact his life, instead of worrying about cyclists.'
What is clear to me is that he has an us vs. them attitude. I can say honestly, I often perceive the same us vs. them attitude within the cycling community.
The truth is that cycling culture and the cycling movement in PDX are dominated by youth, and by far left social-political character. Nude bike rides, pedalpalooza and drunk zoobombers for example.
I am not here to be critical of youth or lifestyle or politics BUT.... If the bike transportation movement in PDX and nationwide is going to build on the toehold it has established, you need to reach beyond the current demographic, and especially you need to activate the mostly silent supporters out there who aren't interested in what-ever-it-is-you're-smoking. There are plenty of non-hipsters young and old who are just NOT into your scene.
Eventually, if you want true equity for cycling, those of you who are leaders in the BTA and other organizations need separate the cause from the more extremes of the bike culture scene and from far left politics.
The us vs. them isn't just cars vs. bikes (on either side) it is also "normal" vs. "wierd" and Red vs. Blue. We will all be better served if cycling can separate itself more clearly from the far left and develops a very broad public image that includes people more similar to me.
Paul
RecommendedYou know, the elderly folks down the street just had a wheelchair ramp put in to their front door. I'm perfectly fit and don't need any such thing, so why should they do that?
All those parking spaces on the street in that other city where I don't live, I'll never use even one what with not driving and all, so what use are they?
These people are wasting my time by throwing money away on things I'll never need, much less use since I'll probably only very rarely be on that specific patch of land. They should spend time and money making things I would use if I lived there instead of pandering to the resident's needs.
RecommendedOuch!
Gah, that was painful. Do people really think this way? Or is the Oregonian dealing in satire? Poe's law strikes again.
i remember reading that article the first time around - i thought it was not completely meaningless. reading again - same conclusion.
as for someone feeling isolated politically, welcome to my world, Tim. but you can either jump in and mix it up, or do nothing. this is america, after all - you're generally still allowed to speak out, get involved politically, all that jazz.
Tim Nashif - 'veteran political consultant.' I think the oppressed Mr. Nashif knows how to mix it up.
as for terminology - yeah - 'bike boulevards' is a very narrow term that doesn't do the concept justice. Karl Rove would never allow substandard language like that to be used to sell any idea, much less a great idea. that dude sold us smog with the Clear Skies Initiative. we'd do well to learn from his act. not sure if it would work as well when you don't have to deceive people, though.
RecommendedThere's an unfortunate correlation between low-income neighborhoods that need infrastructure improvements and residents that don't care to advocate for or influence such improvements.
RecommendedIn the outreach and education I've done regarding Bike Boulevards, the term does garner some confusion, at first. Once I explain what one is, though, most folks nod their heads and say, "ok." Sure, they might turn around and organize their friends and loved ones into an Anti-Bicycle Boulevard Brigade, but that's their choice. I try to counteract that likelihood by helping people to understand and visualize that a Bicycle Boulevard is pretty much your everyday residential street with some treatments that range from low-impact (such as turning stop signs so traffic on perpendicular streets has to stop) to high-impact (such as chicanes that block motor traffic from proceeding through an intersection by making them turn one way or another, while bicycle and pedestrian traffic can continue on the BB). Some would be BB haters are usually turned into BB likers (maybe even lovers) once I tell them that it also increases the safety for them & their children & their pets on the street by slowing down motor traffic.
So, yes, the term "Bicycle Boulevard" could be polarizing. What we need to do as alternative transportation users is to make the effort educate our friends, coworkers, loved ones, enemies, frenemies, whathaveyou, on what is meant by that term. Likewise, people who only ever use an automobile to get around should also be making an effort to educate themselves about what other modes of transportation are out there and how infrastructure for those choices are under discussion or being implemented.
Choosing to live in Gresham when you work in Tigard is just your choice, so stop whining about it.
RecommendedI'm a resident of SE Portland (~SE 82nd & just north of Springwater Corridor) and I have to say that it's a little disheartening to see the city eager to redesign 7-corners in Ladd's while I'm forced to push my son's stroller in the street because there are no sidewalks.
RecommendedThe fallacy in Mr. Nashif's argument lies in the asymmetrical warfare that has gone on between right and left for generations, and has defined this country. The author Sam Harris, in his book "The End of Faith", summed it up well: organized groups that do not espouse tolerance for all other groups cannot and should not be given equal time in a democratic process.
Although Mr. Nashif has stopped working to prohibit gay marriage and abortion in the community at large, he seems to have lowered his sights to more mundane issues. Why should he wonder that a lot of people still don't want to be his neighbor?
RecommendedI agree with that article (although, admittedly, I haven't exactly racked my brains over it).
I think that our immediate focus on an issue that is, while relevant to us*, but not a key point of the article, might well be indicative of the points Ms. Barnett is making.
*us = the portland cycling community, (or dare I say, 'a group of like-minded individuals?')
RecommendedI think that the Barnett is right to an extent. Our society tends to provide forums (pun intended) that amplify like-mindedness. Its simply easier (and much more pleasant), to spend one's time with those with whom we feel most comfortable. I'm struck by how much of the discussion above deals with denying the validity of one of the disparate voices she cited, rather than her argument itself.
RecommendedI saw Roger Geller's Cycle Zone Analysis presentation at the Bicycle Brown Bag on Thursday. According to those maps the overall bikeability of East Portland is in the green category, which means it falls somewhere in the middle between best and worst, however, the ridership is in the red category which is the lowest.
Maybe Outer East Portlanders would feel like biking more if motorists would stop throwing stuff out their windows at cyclists on Burnside and cyclists would not ride the wrong way in a bike lane at night without lights. Those were the two most nightmarish things that occured fairly frequently, aside from constant piles of glass and debris in the bike lanes that were rarely swept during my former commutes to and from East Portland.
I think that area is a prime example of a place where education, bike route improvement and ehancements like signage and sharrows, etc. as well as more convenient and secure bike parking options might start to raise awareness and get more families feeling safe enough to bike to the grocery store, etc.
RecommendedBeth's right about the class issues here. Still, it's a lot cheaper for working class families to own a bike than to operate a car, especially in an era of $3-$5/gal. gas. Bike infrastructure in coordination with reliable, frequent public transportation (Max, streetcars, buses) actually benefits it those families (many of whom, as Beth says, currently lack adequate access to such facilities), to the extent they make driving less frequent or even unnecessary. Changing our public subsidies, hidden and otherwise, from roads to public transportation and bike infrastructure in those areas would do much more to benefit the families Mr. Nashief purports to be so concerned about. I very much doubt you'd see this long time right-wing political operative advocating for the kind of public investment (and higher gas taxes) that would make it possible for suburban Portland-area residents to live without the expense of cars.
Recommendedit is easy to get frustrated when reporters, like Barnett in this case say things like: Portland's like-mindedness means its leaders can often move forward quickly. After a rash of fatal bike accidents in the last year, it seemed that those huge green bike boxes appeared at intersections almost overnight. There was no debate about whether bikes should be on the road in the first place. In this town, we're way past that.
This paragraph is evidence of either a less than adequate job of reporting or a misrepresentation of the facts(huge?) of the matter. While there is no need to rehash the evolution of the, what, 7 or 8 bike boxes in town, it certainly did not happen overnight nor was it done without what felt like exhaustive input from many groups.
It is obvious that people cluster around professions and locations that are in accord to their views of the world. Sometimes, we all need to do a better job of playing devil's advocate/conservative thinker to expand our horizons.
After living in many places, I am convinced that there really is no Red vs Blue - there are only shades of Purple.
RecommendedI like your term "bike bubble" for the assumptions we automatically make about the universal righteousness of our preferred mode of transportation.
I am daily reminded by my wife of the opposite mindset - she is scared to death to try to commute anywhere in town on a bike, much less with our daughter on board.
To put it politely, the overwhelming perception by the vast majority of people in the Portland Metro area is that only death-defying superhuman hardcore riders will put ourselves in harm's way on a daily basis to get around on a bike.
I heard this exact point of view from a very highly-placed PDOT person last week. Don't go thinking that even in our lovely bike-friendly city, that the cycling mindset is a majority point of view.
RecommendedThis article is a cache of tired, flawed thinking and cherry picked data.
RecommendedPaul in the 'Couv,
Your final statement in #10 above brought home a good point; those who fear and resist change, and those who embrace it:
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The us vs. them isn't just cars vs. bikes (on either side) it is also "normal" vs. "wierd" and Red vs. Blue. We will all be better served if cycling can separate itself more clearly from the far left and develops a very broad public image that includes people more similar to me.
...""
Sometimes, it's not everyone who needs to change...it's you. The changes we're facing over the next few years are not your simplistic "...oh, let's just start carrying cherry sodas, so we can draw in 'that group' now too..." The coming changes will so fundamentally touch your average American's life, and lifestyle, that history will look upon them, as the changes our society underwent during the 60's and 70's. In order to succeed, we all need to change our reckless and greedy lifestyles. Yes, ALL of us need to change...though what I fear most, are those resistant to do what morally and socially necessary.
IMHO&E, those who consider themselves "normal" and "red"...the impression I get is your definition of people "more like you"...are the same folks who'll (some close family included) effectively resist any major life/lifestyle change, at all costs:
1) A chain-smoker who, in the past few years, has fought-off a disfiguring bout of throat cancer, a year-later emergence of lung cancer, and is now losing an all-out attack throughout his body...yet chain-smokes to this day; he desperately clings to that anchor, denying an obvious cause to his deep downwards spiral, and insists on dragging his wife & mother of their four children (the youngest of which just turned 30) along for his gruesome, demoralizing, and devastatingly drawn-out descent.
2) A seemingly-endless stream of large (and clearly rarely if-ever truly utilized) pickups, often badged with McCain/Stalin stickers, flags, fliers and other related "red state" paraphernalia. When asked the last time these drivers actually utilized any utility from their carbon-belching beasts, they'll consistently fail to pin-down even a vague idea. Yet, if you ask them why they have the pickup, it's so they could haul things...while a surprising number of owners will, in nearly the same breath, say that they dont, because they'd scratch the bed of their precious beast...huh?
3) Folks who are quick to balk at high fuel costs, long commutes, busily cluttered roads, and rising product costs. Though, whom are also unwilling to change their lifestyles, plans, or reconsider long-term goals and profoundly-misguided and traitorously socially destructive political agendas... Only to instead spend their constructive times griping and bemoaning their woes, in rooms, committees, & meetings chock-full of similar-minded individuals. In a desperately vague, and hopelessly off-chance hope of effecting anything but a barely-marginal shift from the status-quo.
Disclaimer; my 1st, 2nd & 3rd vehicles were all mid-sized pickups, though once I realized the true absurdity of owning such a vehicle, for your average person, I've since steered towards smaller and simpler modes of transport...and living; a Mercedes Smart Car, a ZIPCar membership, a monthly TriMet pass, and a beloved muscle-powered two-wheeler that's largely to blame for my current excellent fitness & health levels.
Further, not only have I gone from driving upwards of 15,000 miles/year...to just barely breaking the 800 mile-mark in the past 12 months...yet never sacrificing vacations to the beach, mountains, and eastern-Oregon areas this summer. I also recently moved from a 2,000sq-ft Troutdale home (w/ 2-car attached garage and a large yard), where I commuted towards the city's core daily. To a ~750sq-ft downtown Portland condo (w/ basement storage area, and secured underground parking) that overlooks the city's east-side, and beautiful morning sunrises.
Five years ago, an instant gut/knee-jerk reaction to a friends sentiments, of living in a downtown condo, were genuine thoughts, and a comment; "I doubt I'll live like that, how could you even survive...where's your real house? Where do you go during the weekends? How the hell can you get anywhere on a bike?" Now, I live about three blocks from their place, and have pedaled around 6,000 miles already this year. It's amazing how a few changes will profoundly shift one's perspective, if you're open-minded enough.
With a growing rise of nationwide fuel & energy shortages, a burgeoning onset of gasoline waiting lines, and emerging geo-socio-political trends, the tides of our world are irreversibly changing at an ever-quickening pace. It's time to acknowledge and embrace sensible yet profound individual behavioral changes, so that we can all thrive...or those that refuse to actualize the obvious risks of inaction and selective ignorance, are the ones who risk us all; in our humanely-vain and last-ditch efforts to free the stubbornly-ignorant from their knee-deep positions in the dissapearing shores.
A final thought for those of you in "The 'Couv", if your lifestyle is so viable and self-sustainable, then why bother even venturing over that narrow interstate border...make your own anti-Portland Culture...or should I say...'Couv Culture. Funny thing is; despite decades of attempts by others, the downtown Vancouver area is finally undergoing a true stage of revitalization...and it's not the "normals" or the "reds" that are responsible for it...
May the best thrive!
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RecommendedA weird, lifetime-long, blue-Portlander, who's darn-proud of his hometown's past, current, and future paths.
Alicia (#14):
"Choosing to live in Gresham when you work in Tigard is just your choice, so stop whining about it."
It is almost always NOT a choice for those whose jobs dried up/went overseas/businesses folded/etc. in the place where they live to have to drive an hour or more to find similarly gainful employment in a field they already know, without having to take a 2- to 4-dollar an hour cut in pay. I've been there and I know what it's like.
If you don't believe me, try it sometime, or at the very least take more of your "outreach and education" efforts to underserved outer eastside communities and listen to what people there have to tell you. I think you'll find their stories illuminating.
RecommendedBeth h,
I took a ~25% pay-cut, do I count? One job was being outsourced, and another dissapeared as the business folded...and I'm roughly 15 years into this career.
Though, in the end I:
1) Am still doing the same work (MacOS & Linux SysAdmin), in the same field, and have barely re-trained for the new position...and as a bonus, don't have to even think about, let-alone stress-over, Microsoft's junk software anymore these days.
2) Work fewer hours, and am no-longer perpetually on call (as I had been for the past 9.5 years).
3) Work for a smaller company which targets socio-enviro-economically responsible clients, in a role with tasks that actually "feel" truly fulfilling.
4) Bike ~10-15mins to the office & no longer commute ~20 miles...
5) Are surrounded by intelligent, progressive, and communicative peers, who have long-ago (ie: before my time here) adapted a communication strategy which I've tried to convince prior employers to consider for over a decade; a profound (near-deaf) hearing loss makes verbal communications extremely challenging & exhausting, yet this entire company communicates almost exclusively via IRC/chat and eMails - even when the guy is sitting 3 feet from you. To convey how important I consider sufficient communications; its something I would have considered a 30-40% pay-cut for, had I needed to, and had I also known of their deeply-ingrained internal communication strategies before my first day...
Ya wanna know a real clincher; after getting home from my 2nd day with this new employer, I received an OFFER for a position that would have amounted to only a ~6% cut in my original salary (ie: instead of 25% w/ whom I'm with now) - I didn't consider it for more than about a half-second before declining...
In the end, it's about learning to cope with multiple major medical ailments that'll turn your life upside-down, and it's more than being laid off, suffering through some merger or outsourcing of your roles, or some failed business model...all things I've dealt with (and in some cases still struggle with) myself. It's about choices you've made, about your life, and your path and decisions you've made about how you prepare for your future. It's about your standards, and the compromises you'll consider, in your life, for the pursuit of your true happiness. If you want a change, or an improvement, stop bemoaning the past, or pointing fingers of blame...just change, it's that simple...
RecommendedMath time!
$2/hr, about $4000 a year, something like $3000 after taxes. Divide by 250 working days/year, ~$12 a day. One hour each way, lets lowball and say the traffic's horrible enough that it's only 30 miles each way. Two gallons of gas a workday if you have a small, efficient car, leaving you gleaning the equivalent of $3ish/hour for your commuting troubles. Now that's got to cover for all of your other car costs related to 250x60=15,000 miles a year of extra driving. $6/day (you bought the cheap gas), that's $1,500/year, will that cover depreciation (or even interest on the loan?) on a new car or upkeep on an old fully depreciated car? A $4/hr pay gap would triple this remainder to $4000, which should get you at least even or maybe even ahead, if you drive a relatively cheap econobox two hours a day through 60 miles of (hell?) slow, heavy traffic.
And that's being generous. I lowballed the tax, commute distance, highballed the fuel milage, and rounded in your favor every time. Two daily hours of honking stinky stress in exchange for roughly the same or slightly more take home pay, with everything in your favor. Change any of these significantly and it goes upside down. Is this a lifestyle that recognizes what families need?
RecommendedI don't think it is as easy to find the job and the housing in the same area as people think. Especially when you are living close to the edge financially. Affordable housing is hard to find and so is a decent job. Finding both in the same area is lucky. And there are tons of other factors to consider too. How about staying close to family so you can have a support network nearby? How about considering the schools?
I used to live closer to my job, but as my kids got to school age, I made very conscious decisions about where I want us to eventually end up because I wanted my kids to not have to endure upheaval once they started school. I hope to eventually be working in this area, but it doesn't happen all at once just because I declare it so. I think once again we are seeing the judgmental out of touch attitude of people who HAVEN'T been there and DON'T know what it's like to be trying to raise a family on a low to middle income.
I really appreciate Aaron's comments and whole-heartedly agree. It's time for the model-T bakfiets!
Recommended@Max #15:
The sidewalk issue again, huh? The fact is that Sidewalks are paid for by property owners. Not the city. So if you want sidewalks in a particular location, knock on their door and ask them to build/fund them. (I don't necessarily 100% agree with that on a philosophical level - but it is the way it is)
This is not a zero sum game.
And if you want to talk about not having sidewalks, you should talk to SW residents. They have far more streets without sidewalks (due to geography, topography, and annexation politics). They have been trying to get sidewalks for decades, and when they do finally - the residents pay for them...
Every single part of the city and region could use some improvement.
RecommendedI second this.
:)
RecommendedAaron (#8) - I don't buy that argument. It's a pipe dream because they don't *want* to do it, not because they're unable to. A family of four can easily start biking for under $500. Most families already have bikes for the kids, and many for the adults that are only ridden recreationally. Most of them already have rain gear. They don't need Bakfiets or lycra super-wicking breathable, waterproof, smell-resistant self-washing clothing. They only need to decide they want to ride and do it. There are ways around the sweating problem, and there is a cheap or free alternative for almost every costly solution. People in general want convenience - over-simplified, you could say "people are lazy". They make excuses because they think that biking is too much effort.
As for a $500 "family bike for the masses" - it can't be done, unless it's mass-produced in a foreign country by workers making less than minimum wage - and that assumes relatively cheap transport costs and little to no unsold inventory (i.e. high turnover). Assuming you can convince a large corporation to produce 1 million + bicycles to bring the cost that low, do you think it's reasonable to exploit the labor and resources of a far-off third world country in order to get the sub-$500 bike? Nearly every one of these families owns one or more cars at an average upkeep of $5,600 per year per car. Heck, the gas costs alone would buy a Bakfiets.
People want convenience, they want "quick" and "now", immediate gratification, "no pain" for their gain. (yes, this is a hugely broad generalization, but we're talking about the notional "masses" here) There is no easy solution - every solution has a cost.
True, many people live 20+ miles from where they work, and out in the suburbs, stores and services many be 5+ miles away, and the kids may need to go to 2 different locations for sports, etc. We need to be looking for solutions to that so that they can walk and bike rather than drive - because barring a miracle, driving is increasingly becoming a pastime for the wealthy. The current decline is gas prices won't last, and no one is seriously working towards alternatives to power the 250 million cars in America. It's time to let go of the 2,600 square foot home and the 6,000 lb. SUV and start living less conveniently and more sustainably. The American Dream (TM) is the pipe dream, not using bikes as primary transport - the sooner the average person realizes that and makes changes to their lifestyle, the better off we'll ALL be.
Beth, Eileen, Alicia - You're all right to some extent. People choose where they live, and for most of them, they could live closer to work. Many, though (perhaps as much as 40%) don't have that option, either because they're living too close to the edge or because they're having trouble selling a home in the current market.
But is that really true for all of them? I don't think so. We've gotten used to space, gotten used to having "stuff". One can easily get an apartment in Inner SE or NE for a reasonable amount of money, if one is willing to live in 1,200 square feet or less, rather than the 2,200 square foot average for most families. 50 years ago, such an arrangement was common, siblings shared rooms (sometimes even with their parents), and people made do with less space. We think it's not an option, because we have too much stuff, and because an expectation (dare I say demand) for privacy exists. It's harder now to maintain smaller spaces, either due to the need for storage space or due to the number of single parents (social services demands that parents provide certain amenities for their children, or custody can be shifted to the other parent or the state) in society today. We as a society need to start examining our beliefs and paradigms and adopting ones that fit the current reality and the direction everything is going in, rather than the culture of entitlement that we've spent the last 50 years building.
RecommendedWow. Nashif wants Portlanders to consider that "there are other lifestyles that want to live in Portland besides theirs", yet he helped the state prevent the recognition of committed gay and lesbian relationships by imposing a religious definition of marriage (marriage as the state sees it is a civil contract, distinct from the religious and social construct of marriage).
As for the referenced book "The Big Sort", I think author Bill Bishop draws the wrong conclusion - it's not our prosperity that's causing the clustering, it's communication. Before 1976, the majority of the US population was still rural. They had one newspaper, a handful of radio stations and 1-2 TV stations. Many had no phone. You learned to live and interact with your neighbors because those were the only people you knew. Traditional "clubs" had higher membership because that was the only way to find like-minded individuals.
As we developed more effective and ultimately ubiquitous communication methods, club membership has dropped, people interact increaingly with the people with whom they share common interests and values, and in many cases move to be closer to the communities they've formed. The Internet has greatly accelerated this trend since the early 1990s.
And in regards to Erin Barnett's Oregonian article itself, I think the general shift to the left of the City Club of Portland and similar urban organizations is due to the increasing recognition that the consumer-oriented society is not sustainable and that maintaining the current standard of living under the traditional "conservative" economic and political model is harder and harder every year.
RecommendedTo Aaron/post 8:
RecommendedYou forgot to add that the bike needs to be build by union-organized workers earning liveable wages...
Much of what is termed "bicycle infrastructure" is not that all. It is really modified car infrastructure intended to make the prioritization of public space to cars appear to be ethical, or at least palatable. Instead of bicycle boulevards we should be talking about public spaces rededicated to the real purpose of streets.
RecommendedHas anyone here ever been disabled or had a disabled family member or loved one? I'd love to entirely give up motor vehicles but the fact is I care for my disabled father, so a "bike only" life style simply doesn't cut it. Is it possible to love cycling and not be so self righteous and maybe, just maybe, realize that not everyone in a motor vehicle is your enemy?
I'm sure some snarky alterna-jerk person will insist I can throw crippled pops and his wheel chair into a bike trailer.
Here's to keeping it weird. Peace.
RecommendedMy brother was in Portland with me over the past weekend, hes from the SF area, BUT
Recommendedwas shocked regarding a great bike culture
Portland has more so then SF in other words
more friendly to ride. That write up seems
rather lame.
Mabsf:
You're right and that's the catch-22. Hence back to the argument that it's not necessarily attainable for all. Not right away. Unlike Mr. Nashif though, I don't think that means we are alienating families by creating a bike-friendly community. But we do need to think about ways to make biking more friendly for families. This is why I am a proponent of separate facilities. I don't care what anyone says, I'm not taking small kids into busy traffic. Not on a bakfiets, not in a trailer, not on their own bikes. And so for many families with younger children, bicycling remains recreational until safer bikeways exist.
Matt,
I do agree with you to some degree and I live pretty simply and am a big advocate of downsizing. My kids and I do have bikes but like I said above it's mainly recreational for us at this point. It's just not feasible to think I could run errands with them on bikes. And since I'm a single mom, I can't really leave them at home to run errands either. We do use the bus and walk as much as we can, but a working mom doesn't always have time for that.
I don't know what else to say. I mean, I start to feel like I'm whining when I tell you why it doesn't work for me. Sure, I COULD do more, but so could you all. If you really want fewer people to drive, why don't you get out there and help these working families? Why don't you find someone in your neighborhood with kids and offer your services? If you're good with bikes, you could help provide maintenance. Go to a bike shop or help them check out used bikes if they feel intimidated or don't know what they're doing. You could run errands on your bike or babysit while they do that. We ARE a community are we not? Or is that too inconvenient and outside of your comfort zone? Uh-huh. Please don't talk to me about making choices and wanting convenience. There is nothing convenient about my life.
I really don't think there is anything helpful in the negative, judgmental attitude. If you want to see change, work to make it happen. If there's people who aren't doing it, instead of trying to guess the reasons and assume laziness or ill-will, maybe you could try to get to know them and become involved in helping them find solutions. I really doubt any working families would read the comments on here and feel supported or more inclined to become a cycling family.
RecommendedI have an employee who was priced out of the North/NE Portland neighborhood she grew up in. Her landlord evicted her and her neighbor, spend a couple of weeks sprucing up the place, and now it goes for 3x the previous rent. There's absolutely nothing she could afford and still support a teenager and a special needs toddler - even if she was able to give up her car. (not happening because of the toddler's needs) Now that she is 15 miles from her entire support network (her extended family) - not to mention her job, life's a heck of lot harder. Her own health is being affected now. I'm not sure whether she'd laugh at the suggestion that she chose to live this way, cry, or just lean over and strangle whoever would say that to her.
She'd be far more interested in green bike boxes if they meant she could afford to live near her family and her job.
I think it's true that we'd all do well to at least consider how different life experiences shape perspectives that are different from own. Even the ones we find uncool, not hip, or boring.
RecommendedThe term "family" seems rather vague here. From the comments here, I think this may be less about "families" and more about "caregivers"-- primarily a gendered issue. Research on caregiving suggests that this work is done without pay disproportionately by women in our society. Other research suggests that women make more stops in the course of their daily commutes because of their caregiving roles. Female caregivers are certainly marginalized (dare I say oppressed?) by Portland's alternative transportation planning and development.
While I commend the choices made by the family to live "close-in", to buy the Bakfiet rather than the Subaru, to and travel by bike, we need to acknowledge that there are people who lack these alternatives for whatever reason (socioeconomic, educational, physical, cultural) and address the needs of these folks in our transportation planning, too. It's a matter of what values we're prioritizing through our planning efforts and who it appears we're developing alternative transportation for...
RecommendedI'm not sure I'm ready to use the word "oppressed" but definitely not valued or respected except by other mothers. There is lots of info about how far behind the US is in considering the needs of families.
If you haven't seen the motherhood manifesto you really should:
http://www.momsrising.org
there is also a neat video about some moms in Portland here:
http://www.activistas.us/activistas/2008/10/paid-family-lea.html
For some of us there are more pressing and immediate issues. Mother's voices don't get heard because for the most part, they are way too busy to self-advocate.
Recommended"The harm done by contemporary traffic is due to the monopoly of transport. The allure of speed has deceived the passenger into accepting the promises made by an industry that produces capital-intensive traffic. He is convinced that high-speed vehicles have allowed him to progress beyond the limited autonomy he enjoyed when moving under his own power. He has allowed planned transport to predominate over the alternative of labor intensive transit. Destruction of the physical environment is the least noxious effect of this concession. The far more bitter results are the multiplication of psychic frustration, the growing dis-utilities of continued production, and subjection to an inequitable transfer of power-all of which are manifestations of a distorted relationship between life-time and life-space. The passenger who agrees to live in a world monopolized by transport becomes a harassed, overburdened consumer of distances whose shape and length he can no longer control."
Ivan Illich "Energy and Equity" 1974
I recommend reading the above book to all people examining traffic solutions. It is a pretty quick read (a couple of hours) and the full text is available online from several sites.
We are so absorbed into our current lifestyle it is difficult to see that it is not a bike bubble, it is a car bubble. The vast majority of the world does not drive, and up until WWII, that was also true in the West. But we still managed to do all of the things we do now, caregivers too. You gotta ask yourself what is PDX going to be like at $10/gal? Watching the financial markets for past 3 weeks should remind us all that the ca-ca can hit the fan very quickly, and governments only have illusion of control.
RecommendedRight Coyote, but the whole world is different now. There were few enough cars on the street, that my mother, who grew up in what is now Lloyd Center, was able to ride her tricycle around the block by herself at age 4. There are more people and more cars now. I know it's a difficult thing because the cars are making it unsafe and I guess that my point is just that trying to go back to the 40s won't work. Pointing fingers at families who are doing the best they can won't work. Finding out WHY more families don't ride bikes and working to find solutions WILL work. I am telling you right now, for most people with young kids, riding a bike on the street doesn't feel safe. You can hem and haw all you want about why we should just get over it, but all you are doing is hemming and hawing. What can the city of Portland do to help make it feel safer? Bike boxes? Not gonna cut it. Every time the subject of separate facilities is brought up on this board, this community pounces on it because they don't want to be restricted to those areas. But at the same time, by NOT having enough separate facilities, there is a huge segment of potential riders being left out. I think MOST of the current ridership is doing it solo and so is not necessarily in touch with the needs of families - only thinking from the perspective of the healthy, non-disabled person without children. Whenever I have this conversation with other moms, they almost universally would like to ride bikes more but don't feel safe and feel very nervous driving around bikes, but all have huge respect for people who do ride bikes. I've never met anyone who thought people shouldn't be riding bicycles, but I would say, from moms I know, there are many who feel like it's too hard right now. And I know there are those who do it, but I think they would be the first to admit it's challenging and also, they are lucky to have their life situated in such a way as to make it possible. If I hear one more person say or imply that I'm just being lazy, I'm going to scream!
RecommendedEileen (#37) - are the two final paragraphs in response to my post as well? My comments are intended to speak about society in general, and shouldn't be construed as speaking to your case in particular. I know nothing about your situation, how could I comment on your lifestyle specifically?
As for community, et. al. I agree with you completely, which is why I sit on a county committee, participate in 3 more as a member of the public, volunteer for 4 nonprofits, lead bike rides and camping trips, and a number of other civic, public, and bike activities.
As for "negative, judgemental attitude" - why is dissent considered "negative" - because it's not what you believe? Our society does have problems, and we fix them by talking about them, brainstorming solutions, and taking actions to make the world a better place. I'm not sure how papering over the issues so as not to seem judgemental is helpful to the situation.
I do get to know individuals, and I treat them as individuals when I deal with them. When I talk about society valuing convenience and being lazy, I'm talking about the individual who gets in his SUV and drives 6 blocks to pick up cigarettes, and drives home, not the single mother who has to drive one child to a soccer game in Gresham and pick up the other from band practice in Milwaukie. I don't believe in "one-size-fits-all", I believe in the appropriate mode for the appropriate task.
Using the car once a month to go 6 blocks because you're utterly wiped and using the car daily to go 6 blocks because you're too lazy to walk are two different things. It's the latter I decry, not the former.
Oh and in post #42 - "If I hear one more person say or imply that I'm just being lazy" Respectfully, it's not all about you - I'm not making personal attacks, and you're reading an awful lot into my post (and others) that isn't there.
RecommendedOut here in Beaverton, there's an infrastructure situation that's a case study of what Eileen's talking about.
Beaverton has a couplet; Hall Blvd and Watson Ave, running roughly N-S for, I'm guessing, 2-3 miles total length. One one end, there's a full service mall with about every basic need type of store you could ever want; groceries, electronics, athletic wear, cinema, fast food, etc.
A little past the other end, there's an E-W street called Allen Ave with lots of low to middle income housing. In between, there's a beautiful library situated right in the center of a huge park with expansive lawns and a fountain that draws big crowds of kids and parents. There's lots more housing and amenities in between the two points including two bike shops; Bike Gallery and Performance.
These key couplet streets, Hall and Watson, do have bike lanes but they are not routes for the meek of heart. The traffic on these streets is fast and frenzied. I can't imagine too many family types that would feel comfortable trailing their kids along on the bike lanes of these streets.
With bike/pedestrian infrastructure that offered a greater margin of separation between those modes of transportation and motor vehicle traffic, Beaverton would probably be generating hundreds, thousands, or hundreds of thousands more bike trips along and between the various points along the Hall/Watson couplet than it does presently.
Also, it should be noted that with the exception of the library, bike parking anywhere along the couplet is minimal. Hundreds of bikes coming to shop, for example, at the Winco, would exhaust available bike parking in short order.
Bike infrastructure designed to serve only the more experienced, confident aggressive, solo riders, is not going to bring about the expanded use of bikes for transportation that many people dream of.
RecommendedBicycles are an alternative transportation choice, just like cars, buses, MAX, and your own two feet...one of many alternatives to choose from.
RecommendedAs long as we think of bicycles as "alternative," we continue to view them in the same way as one might say "Alternative lifestyle," which implies outside the norm.
Portland's investment in bicycle infrastructure is simply an effort to bring the ability of one to use a bicycle for basic transportation closer to one's ability to use a car.
Of course most people drive in this country, because for the last 75 years that is the only mode we have invested in. If this nation had a comprehensive transportation plan in place 75 years ago to ensure that people had mobility choices, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. And Portland might look like every other city in this country...or vice versa.
Matt, when I said negative and judgmental I was referring to the many comments of people who were basically saying that people who still "choose" to drive cars are lazy and apathetic. To me, any criticism that doesn't contain something constructive and is looking to point fingers instead of find solutions is negative. I don't think it's always bad to be negative and I am guilty of it at times myself. I do try to not be judgmental in the sense that, if I haven't walked in your shoes, I won't try to second-guess your motivation. Atticus Finch taught me that in 7th grade and I've never forgotten it.
I guess I've strayed a bit from the original argument and I'm not agreeing with the guy who wrote the Oregonian article, because I agree that we need to be working towards a car-free society. BUT, I think the man had a good point that as we work towards a car-free society, the people advocating for better bikeways represent current ridership. To me it makes more sense to find out what we would need to get the potential riders to become regulars.
How often, when forums are held to make decisions, do the organizers make sure that moms and families will be represented? And what is done to help them get there? Don't tell me that the meetings are public and anyone can come. If it's held in the evening, I"m putting kids to bed. If it's held during the day, I'm at work. If it's at a convenient time, you're going to be listening to my whining 4 year old. I'm not providing answers here, but I am strongly encouraging the powers that be to start thinking this way, and to be sure that as you are considering how to improve bikeways, ALL segments of the population are being listened to and considered, not just current ridership, which, as I previously stated, for the most part represents young, healthy, non-disabled, childless, single people. Hardly a cross-section.
RecommendedThe class issues need to be addressed by 1.) Statutory limits to the selling and renting price of property
Recommended2.)Limits to the right of employers to require car ownership for employment
3.) Public transit funding by increased gas taxation and progressively rising license tag fees on car registration much as Washington used to have. Funny how many "working class," "just plain folks" who have some fucked up notion of cycling as "elitist" own motorhomes, boats, immorrally large $35K pickup trucks that are NOT work vehicles.
Just a couple thoughts to add to the discussion. I grew up in Gresham, and while I currently in Portland, I'm still in the "outer limits" (east of 82nd) and I bike commute 20 miles r.t. to work in east Gresham. The trip takes about 40 minutes each way. By car, it's 20-30, depending on traffic. I agree with the comments made about eastside bike "infrastructure." It wouldn't take a lot - signage, striping, maybe a green box or two, and most of all, some regular street sweeping, to make the east side much more inviting to cyclists. East county has changed. As Beth h says, it's where those pushed from the core can now afford to live. Not coincidentally, according to the PPD, 162nd & Burnside is now ground zero for Portland gang activity. But most people who live out here do so because it's cheap and most have real jobs. Bikes can and should fit with that. Acknowledged -not everyone who lives there can ride to work, but more can that are currently driving. There is a small shift going on. This morning I saw 5 other cyclist in the first minutes of my commute, and that's getting more common. 162nd is now a viable N-S bike route. I for one welcome the shift in east county from seeing bikes as some kind of elitist cultural icon, to seeing them as part of the solution to rising housing, transportation, and commodity expenses.
RecommendedAnd on the subject of the affordability: my wife had to talk me out of buying a nice, early 80's Japanese bike for this weekend - no room in the basement for any more bikes. The price? $50, and it would be reliable transportation for someone for years to come. I'm still amazed at what you can get for the price of a tank or two of gas.
GreggB,
Yes, Vancouver has problems. I know, that's where I've lived for 34 years. It wasn't always like this, with it's strip malls, and sprawl. There are those of us that are really trying to improve the way we get around. I've been to meetings of the CRC's project, and made statements against more lanes for cars, and demanded light rail access. I use my bike whenever possible. Things are improving, but primarily because living inside of Portland is outside of the budget of my family. It's a vicious cycle that we face here, as there are so few paying jobs in vancouver, and no affordable housing inside of portland. At the moment, I have a very long commute, and drive a fuel efficient car. I'm working to change that, at a fevered pace. Having light rail in Vancouver would create a sea-change of thinking, even if most people in Vancouver don't want to admit it. The City of Portland is creating a model, of how a civilized city can be made, provided that you can keep going, and create more in-depth improvements. Those of us that admire your creations in Vancouver, are working hard to make similar changes here. Not everyone in Vancouver is passionate about automobiles, so keep that in mind when you're commenting. Some of us remember a time before sprawl, and rampant development.
RecommendedEileen (#46) - I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said in that post.
Speaking as an advocate, and one who participates in many of the "public" meetings, do you have any suggestions as to how to increase participation by those who have more constrained schedules? (especially single mothers)
RecommendedI searched for a house in close-in NE specifically so that I did not need to do a lot of driving. I ride downtown to work everyday. I have one child and a spouse. We have a car that sees less than 11k miles a yr, mostly my wife's driving for local business trips.
I would ask that everyone look at how they live and ask: how could I set up my life to garner all its best elements without a car?
There are ways once you consider them, and they don't involve being a radical cyclist.
For instance, a lot of workers do not require a car to do their job. Figuring out the commute and how to support the household appropriately is the difficult part. Cycling CAN be a choice for a large number of the population, if they choose to embrace it. It decreases household expenses significantly by lowering dependence on the car, maybe even allowing the ability to live in another neighborhood.
my own take, to be sure...thanks for hearing me out.
RecommendedLOL, portland, "diverse"? cmon....it's amongst the "whitest" major north american cities....
oh, wait, that's right: ethnicity and "colour" are non-issues here in Portland....no worries, we'll keep it limited to class ONLY.
reminds me of the disruption OBRA caused for one of their events in NoPo which was not publicized except on the web; when a local resident, a youth of color, tried to cross a street which was roped off with no signs about "danger, racing bikes" and was called a name by a white male instead of being given a polite explanation about making the neighborhood streets inaccessible to local residents.
(by the way, "leftist" protestors did the same exact thing during a bushie visit and created virtual captives of the residents of N/NE portland when the police closed off streets and issued blackhawks -- when will these residents who have historically been harassed by police and other powers ever catch a freaken break, from the police or from their "neighbors"?)
it's allll connected. classism AND racism permeate every sector of this society with their funky-arse stink. I sho hope bicyclists do not fancy themselves immune.
it's too bad that I see conversations like this and do not feel a part of the community at all even though I have such a great passion and love for BIKES! sorry folks. maybe another day.
RecommendedScoff, you are 100% right. I'm not black, but I have cousins (by adoption) who had very similar upbringing to mine. They have stories that would curl your toes, right here in Portland, even SW Portland where they grew up.
So, I don't know the answer but it's obvious that there are many underrepresented groups when decisions about bicycling are being made. It COULD be that some of these groups don't participate because they don't feel included. And I don't mean that anyone is specifically excluding, but that's not really the same as INcluding now is it?
I think if Portland REALLY wants to take it to the next level, we have to start asking these tough questions and go beyond the ad nauseum discussions about traffic laws.
Matt - as far as how to bring people in, personal invitations work better than general advertising. That is my experience with these things. If you want mom's there, provide babysitting and/or a kid-friendly environment. IF there is a table in the corner set up with crayons and coloring books, that will let them know that it's okay to have the kids there. Most mom's have anxiety about other people being bothered by their kids because, in case you thought otherwise, we are one of the LEAST kid-friendly cultures in the world. So if you let us know up-front that it will be okay, that eases the anxiety. Since the going price of sitters around here is $10 an hour, most of us can't afford one except on special occasions. Providing a babysitting room is better - make it a volunteer project for some high school girls. I know the girls at St. Mary's have that as a requirement. That is my 2 cents, and thanks for asking.=)
RecommendedTransportation planning does recognize those needs. That is why less than 2% of Portland and less than 1% of statewide transportation funds go to bicycle infrastructure.
I am a married father. I work full time, and I am attending college part time at PSU. I am a citizen member of a transportation planning committee at Metro (TPAC). I am representing the BTA on the SE Clay Street Redesign project. I have been active and vocal in many transportation related issues including the CRC and Sauvie Island Bridge reuse. I have worked with Portland Streetcar on bicycle compatibility issues. I have attended meeting on freight movement, Rail transport, and other topics.
I do represent families, and most of the people I know on these committees or boards are also parents and have families.
Why do people assume that there are no families or parents involved in these things?
And If I can do this, all while not missing my daughter's soccer games, school plays, and swim lessons - then other people can too.
If something is important to you - you make time for it. Otherwise you have to accept what other people come up with.
RecommendedI've really enjoyed reading this article, but even more helpful are all the comments here.
We in Austin are working on getting our first bike boulevard, and yes, it will be a short one, but everything you guys have said has really given me something to ponder when we have to communicate this idea to neighborhoods. It definitely sounds like our choice of language and messaging will have to be chosen very delicately.
Unfortunately, we also have a small, but vocal, contingent who are also against any form of traffic calming. Odd, I know...
Marcus Sanford
RecommendedAustin Bike Blog
John, who is watching your kids while you're at these meetings? Could it be the MOTHER of your children? Does she ride in the same way and as often as you?
And you said parents, not moms. I'm sure you're an awesome Dad and I'm sure you have the BEST intentions, but it's not the same. I've been camping with groups of men enough times to know that men and women do NOT have the same ideas about comfort and safety. I know I just sound so incredibly sexist, please forgive me. The bicycle glass ceiling! There I said it. aaahhh, I'm going to go run and hide now!
RecommendedAgreed, this has turned into a really fascinating discussion. As usual, I especially appreciate Matt's perspective (#31). And I agree that many of the obstacles cited by those who don't ride as much as they'd like would be overcome by investing in safe, separated bike facilities, and in public transportation.
I do think way more people could live car free than think they can; millions of Northern Europeans manage to do so and still have kids and errands and disabilities and distant jobs. They do so for two primary reasons: first, because they have adequate, safe bike infrastructure (separated tracks), which is why you see so many women , kids, and seniors on bikes there. And second, because they have access to reliable, frequent bus and rail service that, combined with bikes, makes it possible to dramatically reduce or eliminate car use.
So we should be thinking a little more globally than just car-only or car-free or even bike only; we need to push to make a whole range of alternatives available in as much of the city as possible so that people have more than one choice of transport mode. When that's available, you'll see a dramatic decrease in car use and a big increase in ridership, as has happened in the places where they're smart enough to make such investments, and pay for them via taxes.
I realize that people who choose to have kids need to live with the consequences of that choice (in return for all the rewards parenthood gives them). No one forced them to reproduce. But I'm sympathetic to parents (single or otherwise) trying to juggle so many burdens in a society that, unlike most others, provides so little support to families, despite the pro-family rhetoric of the Republicans who vote against policies that would actually help families. But we have to acknowledge reality, and the reality is, whether we like it or not, most parents are simply not going to let their kids ride long distances sharing the roads with cars. If we want to get those kids and their parents on bikes, we have to provide safe, separated lanes.
Besides, only a quarter of American families have kids living at home, leaving 75% minus those with mobility disabilities who don't face some of the obstacles noted above. And (re Afro bike above) even many people with disabilities can live car free. My wife uses a wheelchair and ranges all over town almost every day via bus and Max and streetcar while I primarily bike. We do have a lift equipped van that we use for road trips and maybe a couple or three other trips per month (and if Zipcar had accessible vans, we might be able to get rid of ours). But Portland really does make it possible for many people with and without disabilities to rely on public transportation.
Maybe we won't see huge numbers of Portlanders giving up cars entirely in our lifetimes, but if we can provide safe, reliable alternatives like separated bike lanes and adequate public transport, plenty of them will at least reduce their driving by half, three quarters or, as we have, 90-plus percent, which would still be a really good thing for the city and the planet.
RecommendedJonathan,
That is a beautiful photo. BIKE BOX!
RecommendedI can't "preview" so I hope all this comes out OK.
Well lets see, during the day there is school and childcare. At night it depends which night of the week. I try very hard not to miss much, but often it is my wife, and we also work very much with the parents of my child's friends. We all trade off, including several single parents.
But apparently there is something offensive to you about the fact that I am married.
Well, first off, you have no idea how I ride or how often. First and foremost, I am a transportation activist. My goal is to bring bicycles, pedestrians, and transit systems up to the same quality and level of support as we have given our auto focused roadways for more than 50 years. I am not particularly tied to any one mode of transportation. I have a tri-met pass. We own a mini-van. I ride my bicycle. I walk. And I even ride a motorcycle. Usually many different modes every single day. But back to my wife: No, she does not ride bicycles as much as I do, although she does ride. Her work is much too far and over much too difficult terrain (at least for us anyway, I am not sure if you noticed but the west hills are pretty big...) Also our school situation is difficult to accommodate by bicycle alone. That is why she uses transit and walking, much more than bicycles. My child gets the mix depending what we do.
How can I even touch this? Do you read what you type? You want more respect and attention, yet you insult your best allies? Simply admitting that you sound sexist does not make it OK.
Men are just as capable of understanding emotions as women, and men are just as capable of making qualified and educated decisions as women. Are people inherently more qualified simply because they are women?
And I did say "parents". "Parents" include moms. Lots of moms are involved, every single day at every single meeting and committee.
Why does having some green bike boxes make the city inhospitable to single moms?
Can *any* transportation discussion solve the problems of single moms? (Or it should read single parents, because dads can be single parents too, and it is not any easier on them). No matter how many bus routes or MAX lines or cycle tracks or bike boulevards or pedestrian overpasses we build - it will not make things any easier for the single parent. I don't think we can address the problems that single parents face via transportation infrastructure.
But the original topic of this article was about the strange idea that because Portland builds bike infrastructure that it somehow ignores families. And I don't see how that is true at all. I could go on and on about why I like Portland better for families than any other place I have lived, and I could gush about why I choose to raise my family here. This is about transportation. And bikes and kids go hand in hand. A world with fewer cars, and more options, is always going to be better for kids and better for families.
Look, I am the guy who is sticking up for all walks of life here. I have had people criticize me because I support the BTA which is full of "bike nazis". I have had pedestrian "advocates" criticize me because I ask for compromise when planning for shared spaces. I have had the auto lobby slam me for supporting transit. And of course there is strong contingent who are so anti bicycle or transit that they live to pick apart any proposal. Most of us get hammered from ALL sides. It is extremely tough to meet all needs. No matter how many people we might feel like we connect with here on BikePortland - there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of others who do not. Most people don't read blogs like this, and most of the people who do are not bike advocates.
The simple fact is that the SOLID and VAST MAJORITY of people are car focused (see Jonathon's most recent post about cars are the new smoking). It will take a LOT of work to change that, and honey works better than vinegar. We have to work hard to make "alternative" forms of transportation not the "alternative"! By simply defining them as "alternative" we cast them to the fringes.
But saying that all bike advocates are "single" or "childless" or "young" is simply silly. Saying that bike infrastructure detracts from family livability is silly.
In this discussion there have been a large number of posts citing what are in reality - exceptions to the rule. Certainly, no one expects full time caregivers to ride bikes and busses everywhere all the time. (Although I do believe it is possible, but would be tough.)
We are shooting to get the large numbers of people who *can* get out of their cars, to do so. Not to abandon cars, but to reduce their usage if it is possible and convenient. No one could with a straight face tell me that all those cars on the roads in rush-hour are all single parents with ailing relatives and three jobs. Most of those people could get out of their cars a few times a week.
And the more people who DO get out of their cars, the better roads get for those who CANNOT get out of their cars. The more people who DO ride bicycles the safer it gets for all bicyclists. The more people who DO use bicycle infrastructure, the more bicycle infrastructure will be built.
There is no 100% one size fits all solution, and anyone who claims so is selling snake oil.
I believe I have exhausted my welcome. Please, everyone, enjoy yourselves in whatever you do, and try to make a difference wherever you can.
RecommendedWell I know this seems like old news but I haven't been on here in a while and didn't want you to think I was ignoring you John. I'm sorry if you thought I was offended that you were married. Of course not and I don't know what I said to make you think I was. My point was just that I think there are probably groups that are underrepresented in these discussions, and I know that from conversations I have with other women like me, who earnestly would like to feel more comfortable riding and just don't, and from the discussions I see on here about the direction things are going and the types of legislation being pushed for, I don't think that large numbers of women (especially mom's of young kids and working moms and single moms and I only say that because that is the only demographic I can speak for) are going to start riding with any great regularity any time soon. I'm sorry if that wasn't what you wanted to hear, but I"m afraid it's the truth. I think I agreed with you that there isn't a one-size-fits all solution but so far I haven't seen too many sizes in the works. I would love to be able to go to some of these meetings, but I'm over-committed as it is with things I do for my kids' schools, etc. I can't spend any more time away from my kids and that is what I have to make a priority right now - it's not that I don't care or think these things are important. There is also that whole issue of the fact that there are a million things wrong with the world and we all can't do it all so we each pick our thing or things to put our effort into because what else is there to do? So this is where I can come and ask the tough questions and voice concerns and sometimes be heard by the right people.
I hope I didn't come off sounding overly critical of people like you who are working hard and making sacrifices to try and improve things. I just was trying to point out that there are many demographics that get forgotten or left out in some of these discussions and I think it's so easy for people to start suggesting that these are all just lifestyle choices. Well sure, everything is a choice - but what leads us to those choices? Sometimes it becomes a class issue more than a gender or family type issue. I even catch myself saying, well I"m not like most single moms because I have an education, etc. And yet, I have at least five friends just like me. I try to separate myself from the stereotype. I definitely think classism is a bigger issue right now than race or gender and I worry about how quickly many Portlanders are to snobbily dismiss entire segments of the population while touting bumper stickers that say "embrace diversity".
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